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[masster blaster]

Is it just me or did I call it that one day this will happen.

[Salient Archer]

TSA_383 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

You know what; I read over what Priestly said [about the endings being final] and maybe several months ago I would have given a crap and been up in arms. But now, I honestly just don't care.

I still believe Shepard is being indoctrinated; the evidence is there... I mean c'mon the whole Object Rho "we want Shepard alive/Your mind is mine" incident isn't enough?... but regardless I'm far more interested and intrigued by the contradictions and sinister plots that "Catalyst" sprouts out of his mouth.

His words alone are clear evidence that either 1). BioWare wanted us to dig deeper and explore the older games for evidence that contradicts it's claims (which are even more so abundant after the EC) or 2). they [BioWare] have the worst possible writers in the world. And considering I thoroughly felt that everything prior to the endings was fine, I'm more inclined to believe the first option.

Thanks SA - How's that Jet of yours working out by the way? You were looking into it when I bought my speedwing, which has been fantastic 

Also, a quick "How to explain the ending to an agressive troll" guide, using Excel:

It's amazing how many people seem to trust everything the catalyst says without question: "Sure I've been trying to take you out of the picture for over 3 years, but I'm so totally not trying to do that by convincing you to jump into a beam of pure energy or suggesting you pull on some electrified handles. That would just be absurd and twisted!" 

*face-palm* 

... I'd like to see the people who buy this kind of crap negotiating with a used car salesmen: "Sure it's missing it's breaks, but imagine the savings you'll make by not needing to purchase new break pads"....

As for the jet figter, I droped the idea and am instead trying to hunt down a Zivko Edge 540. 

Has the speedwing been responsible for any broken limbs yet?

Modifié par Salient Archer, 05 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[Taboo]

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

[Home run MF]

TSA_383 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Home run. The Leviathans are a race that created the AI, which could have adapted into a new body hence why Shepard ask the AI. What is Harbinger old tongue, ehich leads me to believe that Harbinger has a huge role, than we think.

Nope

'My creators gave them form I gave them function. They, in turn, gave me purpose.'
'Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.'

Swing and a miss.
Page 21.
Spoiler.

I've read Page 21 and the leaked script, and I still see a discrepancy in plurals and singulars
'But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.'

Home run

Modifié par Home run MF, 05 août 2012 - 04:13 .

[Dwailing]

protognosis wrote...

 I_eat_unicorns makes me miss GBGriffin. 

Also, I_eat_unicorns I first read your screen name as I_eat_Unicrons and my inner Transformer nerd squeed like the five year old he is.  Then I was dissapoint. 

Yeah, GBGriffin was a much more fun guy.  He was a friendly Literalist, the kind of person who helped to keep us balanced, much like what EpyonX3 does now a days.  If we didn't have people like those two, we would probably be in much worse shape than we are now thanks to a lack of need to defend ourselves against LOGICAL Literalists.  I think Iconoclast might be shaping up to be one of those now, too.  And HagerIshay (I hope I'm spelling his name correctly.) is one of them also.  The Literalists need more people like them.

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 août 2012 - 04:16 .

[Lyria]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Also, I_eat_unicorns I first read your screen name as I_eat_Unicrons and my inner Transformer nerd squeed like the five year old he is.  

"Lo, I am Megalaxianicus!  Devourer of Devourers of Worlds!"



But seriously.  It is a fan theory.  It's also a valid interpretation.  So it's a valid fan theory.  It is not, however, a good predictive model for what comes next in terms of BioWare's future dlc because there has so far been insufficient dlc to form a proper track record.  I hope that IT sees its day of glory, but I can't predict for certain whether it will or not.

Nice one Prime. 

[Dwailing]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

From a face-value perspective, that's completely accurate.  From an IT perspective, on the other hand, he's a dirty liar. 

[Dwailing]

Home run MF wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Home run. The Leviathans are a race that created the AI, which could have adapted into a new body hence why Shepard ask the AI. What is Harbinger old tongue, ehich leads me to believe that Harbinger has a huge role, than we think.

Nope

'My creators gave them form I gave them function. They, in turn, gave me purpose.'
'Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.'

Swing and a miss.
Page 21.
Spoiler.

I've read Page 21 and the leaked script, and I still see a discrepancy in plurals and singulars
'But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.'

Home run

I don't know.  We'll just have to wait for the pack to come out to get serious answers.

[Jadebaby]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

A fallacy the writers themselves didnt see until after release, further indicating that the game and endings were rushed.

[Taboo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

A fallacy the writers themselves didnt see until after release, further indicating that the game and endings were rushed.

A fallacy they still haven't addressed.

They actually made him MORE fallacious than he was before.

He's not a liar, he just sprouts **** that he was programmed to say.

The entire Reaper situtation is nothing more than a cosmic tradgedy because someone didn't take responsibility for their creations.

He causes as much chaos as organics.

[Dwailing]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

A fallacy the writers themselves didnt see until after release, further indicating that the game and endings were rushed.

But why would the choose the endings to be the part they frakked up?  Game development isn't linear.  They were working on the ending at the same time that they were working on the rest of the game.  And yet they chose THAT PART, arguably the most important part of the game, to rush?  No, I don't buy it.

[Taboo]

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst doesn't lie he presents a fallacy. He truly believes he's right.

There is a difference.

A fallacy the writers themselves didnt see until after release, further indicating that the game and endings were rushed.

But why would the choose the endings to be the part they frakked up?  Game development isn't linear.  They were working on the ending at the same time that they were working on the rest of the game.  And yet they chose THAT PART, arguably the most important part of the game, to rush?  No, I don't buy it.

Ending are usually the last parts written. This has been addressed in magazines like Game Informer.

The ending is just ****. There's nothing else to it.

The only thing that has saved them is the fact they allow for any and all interpretations.

[Iconoclaste]

Dwailing wrote...

One of the best things about IT is that we never claim to know EXACTLY what's going on (Unlike SOME Literalists. <_<  Not you, BTW.).  We have our evidence, and some of us interpret it in different ways.  Right now, all that we're 99% certain of is that Shepard was experiencing some kind of indoctrination attempt during the ending sequence.  Maybe the whole thing was an indoctrination, for lack of a better word, "dream", and Shepard is knocked out throughout the whole thing.  Maybe Shepard was "dreaming" the TIM/Anderson confrontation, and was "awake" but hallucinating during the Catalyst chamber (My view.).  The thing is, we pride ourselves on IT being a true scientific theory.  And theories are modified to fit evidence, not the other way around.  That's why IT doesn't have a "foundation" beyond the concept of Shepard experiencing an indoctrination attempt.  If we tried to make things TOO concrete, then we'd be in even worse shape than if we were forced to change with each piece of new evidence, or each piece of debunked evidence.  If we tried to claim that we knew EXACTLY what was going on, and refused to change, we would start ignoring evidence (Like many Literalists.), or we would start using a catch-all excuse to explain away everything that didn't fit our preconceived notions (Again, like many Literalists.).  So, simply put, our lack of a "strong foudation" is actually our strength, rather than our weakness.

The "cath-all excuse" of "it's all a dream" has been overused a bit, and even while I disagree with it, it just needed a "starting point" and a "purpose". I know some are still debating around the starting point (Hammer descent of just after? The base of the conduit? The conduit itself? The elevator to Starkid?), I can understand it's difficult to "fit" the Theory to this moving issue, but somehow it would benefit IT not to let those things remain unsolved. It will eventually come to a point that, with so much "evidence" gathered, it will become almost impossible to test. Some fun has already been made out of that possibility, when non-ITers were proposing to imagine the whole of ME3, since there is no known starting point to the dream, and "spare yourself the hard work". Contradictions also arise from the "All a dream" proposal, since the Reapers' motivations become blurry : the "symbolism" of what is deemed "shown to players at face value" lacks the power to convince because the Reapers suggest a way to destroy them (or "wake up"). Even if it's all "symbolic", there is another problem : no one knows at that point in time, not even Shepard, that the "Crucuble" allowes for the destruction of the Reapers. If the Reapers can indeed read Shepard's mind to use the Catalyst's image, how would they miss this crucial bit of information? Since Shepard is totally ignorant of what the Crucible can or cannot do, why would the Reapers give him such "suggestions"?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 05 août 2012 - 04:31 .

[Home run MF]

Dwailing wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Home run. The Leviathans are a race that created the AI, which could have adapted into a new body hence why Shepard ask the AI. What is Harbinger old tongue, ehich leads me to believe that Harbinger has a huge role, than we think.

Nope

'My creators gave them form I gave them function. They, in turn, gave me purpose.'
'Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.'

Swing and a miss.
Page 21.
Spoiler.

I've read Page 21 and the leaked script, and I still see a discrepancy in plurals and singulars
'But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.'

Home run

I don't know.  We'll just have to wait for the pack to come out to get serious answers.

Unless

Leviathans= species, create reaper shell as a servant (like the geth)

They don't mix, so they create catalyst.

Catalyst revels, harvests leviathans species, creates leviathan (reaper), doesn't work.

Leviathan kills reaper, catalyst harvests unknow species creates harby. The cycle starts. 

[Arian Dynas]

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

[TSA_383]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Imagine, if you will, a whole group of apparently sensible people wailing and proclaiming the end because of a post made by a PR guy that contradicted itself in several places.

Salient Archer wrote...

It's amazing how many people seem to trust everything the catalyst says without question: "Sure I've been trying to take you out of the picture for over 3 years, but I'm so totally not trying to do that by convincing you to jump into a beam of pure energy or suggesting you pull on some electrified handles. That would just be absurd and twisted!" 

*face-palm* 

... I'd like to see the people who buy this kind of crap negotiating with a used car salesmen: "Sure it's missing it's breaks, but imagine the savings you'll make by not needing to purchase new break pads".... 

 
It's actually pretty staggering, I know.
To be honest though it seems that a lot of people are now convinced that the catalyst isn't remotely trustworthy... Yet they still come in here and tell us we're idiots... sigh.

Salient Archer wrote... 
As for the jet figter, I droped the idea and am instead trying to hunt down a Zivko Edge 540. 

Has the speedwing been responsible for any broken limbs yet?

One of these?
http://www.controlle...40T/1209919.htm

Hah, something so sensible? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
Y'know, if you must try to kill yourself in as entertaining a fashion as possible, I did a little project recently on a possible fly-by-wire system for stabilising a jet-powered wingsuit. They're typically longitudinally unstable under power but you can fix that using vectored thrust. That'd get the pulse going [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]


As for the wing, I came very close to clipping the top of a wall with my shins coming in to land on my second landing [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]. That would have been a double leg-breaker... It's good fun though, I'll be taking it down the west face of Ben Nevis next time I'm in that part of the country [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] 

Home run MF wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Home run. The Leviathans are a race that created the AI, which could have adapted into a new body hence why Shepard ask the AI. What is Harbinger old tongue, ehich leads me to believe that Harbinger has a huge role, than we think.

Nope

'My creators gave them form I gave them function. They, in turn, gave me purpose.'
'Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.'

Swing and a miss.
Page 21.
Spoiler.

I've read Page 21 and the leaked script, and I still see a discrepancy in plurals and singulars
'But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.'

Home run

I've actually lost sight of whether we've  just managed to agree or not.
It's 5am here. **** this noise, I'm going to bed [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] 

Modifié par TSA_383, 05 août 2012 - 04:31 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I don't see how people have such a problem explaining refusal.

It's simple, you give up.

If you pick destroy, you stick to your guns, you keep fighting, you do what you came to do. If you refuse to take a choice, you give up. You don't even want to destroy the Reapers.

People can say 'But Shepard is definitely taking a defiant stance, etc.', fact remains, (s)he does not want to destroy the Reapers anymore, (s)he gives up on doing what (s)he came to do.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[KJSync]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

[masster blaster]

Taboo--XX you also have to conisder it's an fully grown AI that had the power to stop this anytime it wanted to, and it is he thought his causing all of the Conflict mostly. The Rachni wars because of it. The geth siding with the Reapers because it rewrote the geth codes. The brat child is always giving an excuse to save it's self and I don't blame it, but trillions of organics and synthetics have been harvested and killed so that makes about Trillions of beings being killed in each cycle.

Hell I would not want the Reapers to live even. Though the Catalyst wants this. No it's time we stop needing the Reapers and choose our own path, and I don't mean Destroy because well that's something we still have to talk about/ refuse.

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Well, I'm going to bed, but I've started a fan fiction based on the Destroy ending and its aftermath.  Would you kindly follow the link to it in my sig and then vote and post critiques in my poll?  It would mean a lot to me to have a brilliant writer such as yourself comment on it.  Oh, and some of the ITists have gotten together and said that they're going to make an interactive graphic novel based on the aftermath of the endings from an IT perspective if IT doesn't pan out.

[TSA_383]

Brazukka wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

Which will go nowhere for a whole variety of reasons, largely the "EA owns the rights to mass effect games and there's no way in a million years they'd let you distribute it" angle.

[Iconoclaste]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Oh! The one who sent me to "hang myself" a while ago. Remember?

Now, who are you calling a moron here?

[Bill Casey]

Taboo has joined the party...
He does not believe IT, but he is good people and I welcome him to hang out in this thread...
To my knowledge, he does not eat unicorns...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[masster blaster]

Arian I don't know how to say this but Estebanus well has given up on IT being planed by Bioware and well I will let him explain.

[Taboo]

Bill Casey wrote...

Taboo has joined the party...
He does not believe IT, but he is good people and I welcome him in this thread...
To my knowledge, he does not eat unicorns...

I ate an alligator once.

They DO taste like chicken, as they are a white meat.