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KJSync

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TSA_383 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

Which will go nowhere for a whole variety of reasons, largely the "EA owns the rights to mass effect games and there's no way in a million years they'd let you distribute it" angle.

I agree with you, anyway has Chris replied the PM estebanus sent?

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masster blaster wrote...

Taboo--XX you also have to conisder it's an fully grown AI that had the power to stop this anytime it wanted to, and it is he thought his causing all of the Conflict mostly. The Rachni wars because of it. The geth siding with the Reapers because it rewrote the geth codes. The brat child is always giving an excuse to save it's self and I don't blame it, but trillions of organics and synthetics have been harvested and killed so that makes about Trillions of beings being killed in each cycle.

Hell I would not want the Reapers to live even. Though the Catalyst wants this. No it's time we stop needing the Reapers and choose our own path, and I don't mean Destroy because well that's something we still have to talk about/ refuse.


That's my point.

He causes just as many problems as he claims to solve.

He's nothing more than an AI who says things he was programmed to say.

He'd tell you the sun burned cold if he was programmed to.

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Icon he does not mean you, and I hope not. You are not that bad and I hope you join the family.

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Guys. Did you link Chris' previous statement regarding IT?

"Anyone who does not like the IT or thinks it not to be correct is STRONGLY enouraged to stay away from discussion on it."

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Mostly just individuals that fail to see that the catalyst (regardless of IT) contradicts himself several times. I think it's time I dug up my "Reaper's say the darndest things" series again. Otherwise it's just people putting too much stock into what Priestly has to say; which oddly enough is an example of people giving a person who constantly contradicts himself too much credit.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Oh! The one who sent me to "hang myself" a while ago. Remember?

Now, who are you calling a moron here?


I think he was talking about I_eat_unicorns...  And be honest man, even though you've improved since yesterday (As far as I can tell.), if yesterday was any indication of your previous behavior (My memory on Literlists/trolls is a little hazy at times. ;)), you had that one coming. =]

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 août 2012 - 04:40 .


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Taboo that's why we just use Andersons BS line to explain the Catalyst, yet there is some truth to what he says but when it comes to the dier questions that's when the BS starts.

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Brazukka wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

Which will go nowhere for a whole variety of reasons, largely the "EA owns the rights to mass effect games and there's no way in a million years they'd let you distribute it" angle.

I agree with you, anyway has Chris replied the PM estebanus sent?


No idea (Promise I'll leave after this, lol.), but I'm not so sure.  If we don't actually PROFIT from this, and we keep it amongst the IT community, we might be able to do it.  People make fan games all the time.  They're like fan fiction.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

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Taken from Taboo-XX from another thread I created:

I don't. The scene with the Catalyst is absolutely ludicrous. You aren't supposed to take everything at face value, the devs have said this.

The endings are symbolic.


You grabs the reigns of Control

You leap into the unknown in Synthesis

You blow **** up in Destroy

It's more a bad implementation of surrealism than it is anything else. And that's why it's AWFUL.

If you actually read my post, you would know that I never said you can stop believing in IT, I only say it's just not true, like fan-theories are. They aren't true. The fact that you dismiss my posts with "opinion opinion blah blah" shows how little capacity you have for others who hold against your own beliefs. Which parts of my posts are opinions? What makes my post "blah blah"? How did you respond to 1/2 of my post before I posted?

Try to form a contstructive argument before raging and yelling at me. 


Hehe. Your funny. You go on to say literalism is true and IT is false yet you plainly say the bolded. Contradictory much? 


That's MY post, not his.

Do not take MY opinion of something to twist his words.

You have every right to an opinion, which is what I said. 

Don't confuse the two.


Sorry about that....missed that portion of the post. :blush: Really not paying too close cause I'm playing xbox at the same time. 

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Taboo that's why we just use Andersons BS line to explain the Catalyst, yet there is some truth to what he says but when it comes to the dier questions that's when the BS starts.


It functions on faulty logic. It contradicts itself but it doesn't lie. It's intent is not so much malicious as it is simply mechanical.

The Reapers are a work around to the problem, they are not a solution. He has been failing at his programmed task for millions of years. He doesn't see this as an issue because it prevents the problem, even at the expense of organic life.

He hasn't taken in new variables for that time as well.

This cycle is different, Shepard simply being there provides him with new variables.

The best option is still Destroy regardless, but not because the other two kill you. It's far more complicated than an "Us and Them" scenario.

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Guys. Did you link Chris' previous statement regarding IT?

"Anyone who does not like the IT or thinks it not to be correct is STRONGLY enouraged to stay away from discussion on it."

I will simply point out that, by its very "ongoing work in progress", the IT "is not to be correct", yet everyone here is still here, debating it. Or do you suggest that everyone here agrees on the same sets of facts and events, and same interpretation? Because just yesterday I addressed this, and it didn't look like it. Today, it looks like there is dissension upon the term "Leviathan", and I don't see any kind of consensus except the one saying "The endings suck". Plus, I don't think encouraging  "opposition" to leave could be in any way an autorisation for anyone to act in a way contrary to the rules of the BSN.

That been said, I've read lots of "Arian posts", I can see he's a good writer and asset to your cause, but I have a bookmark and a memory, just in case... I also wish to move forward, and get whatever I can to work out my "perfect ending", just like all of you.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 05 août 2012 - 04:46 .


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Taboo if this is the real deal, then I am sorry Leviathan but your kind must die, and look at it this way you can finally rest in peace.

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Arian Dynas

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Oh! The one who sent me to "hang myself" a while ago. Remember?

Now, who are you calling a moron here?

'

I've never told anyone to hang themselves.

And for the record, I'm talking about Taboo. Not you.

I will however call you a bit presumptious and somewhat conceited for the assumption that I WAS talking about you.

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Arain at least he agrees that the Catalyst is bull and that Destroy is the best, and he says that IT is okay.

#4965
Arian Dynas

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TSA_383 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

Which will go nowhere for a whole variety of reasons, largely the "EA owns the rights to mass effect games and there's no way in a million years they'd let you distribute it" angle.


Thats... insane. In all honesty.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Oh! The one who sent me to "hang myself" a while ago. Remember?

Now, who are you calling a moron here?

'

I've never told anyone to hang themselves.

And for the record, I'm talking about Taboo. Not you.

I will however call you a bit presumptious and somewhat conceited for the assumption that I WAS talking about you.


That isn't very polite. What have I done to you?

I came in to respond to something and then gave an opinion.

If I offended I aplogize, but I won't change my stance on things.

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Arain it's Estebanus that well started the project all because he has given up hope, but it's a good plan, but EA won't ket us, unless they are going to make a deal with us.

#4968
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Dwailing wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Brazukka wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Project Verum

Which will go nowhere for a whole variety of reasons, largely the "EA owns the rights to mass effect games and there's no way in a million years they'd let you distribute it" angle.

I agree with you, anyway has Chris replied the PM estebanus sent?


No idea (Promise I'll leave after this, lol.), but I'm not so sure.  If we don't actually PROFIT from this, and we keep it amongst the IT community, we might be able to do it.  People make fan games all the time.  They're like fan fiction.

Although i don't think it can be done i really like the idea as it was presented,if EA/Bioware  allow us  we might be able to do it,but it will take time and dedicated people , there is simply too much involved.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I've never told anyone to hang themselves.

And for the record, I'm talking about Taboo. Not you.

I will however call you a bit presumptious and somewhat conceited for the assumption that I WAS talking about you.

I know you, that's enough. I think you lack perspective of your own behavior, but it's common place here on some days. Glad to see you wish for peace with a grin...

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what have I been missing, besides this moron?

Oh! The one who sent me to "hang myself" a while ago. Remember?

Now, who are you calling a moron here?

'

I've never told anyone to hang themselves.

And for the record, I'm talking about Taboo. Not you.

I will however call you a bit presumptious and somewhat conceited for the assumption that I WAS talking about you.


That isn't very polite. What have I done to you?

I came in to respond to something and then gave an opinion.

If I offended I aplogize, but I won't change my stance on things.


I've seen you trolling nearly every IT or IT related thread out there, including several of mine. You come in, make your smartass remark and leave, giving nothing to the discussion or indeed acting with any kind of decorum. I have seen you, I know you, you're the worst kind of cynic, the kind who fails to understand cynicsm and chooses to ensure that others share your pessimism, hiding behind a shield of barbs and calling it "education".

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I've never told anyone to hang themselves.

And for the record, I'm talking about Taboo. Not you.

I will however call you a bit presumptious and somewhat conceited for the assumption that I WAS talking about you.

I know you, that's enough. I think you lack perspective of your own behavior, but it's common place here on some days. Glad to see you wish for peace with a grin...


I would never wish someone to hang themselves, simply for the fact that I know exactly what happens when you do. It's why I would never say someone to go "Die in a fire" unless I really meant it.

#4972
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Araian that's enof! We just calmed down from the I eat unicorn, and you want to provoke Taboo. I have seen him to, but not here, andif you must then PM him but Arian don't go there.

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Also, if Estebanus and a bunch of the others have lost hope because of that press release I saw Priestly made, they shouldn't.

They merely said they will make no further changes to the ending.

We've known that since the EC, and I never expected them to.

What I DO expect is not an ending but an EPILOGUE, which they have not said a word about. I'm not expecting THE EXTENDED EXTENDED CUT, I'm expecting The Arrival 2.0

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Taboo-XX wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Taken from Taboo-XX from another thread I created:

I don't. The scene with the Catalyst is absolutely ludicrous. You aren't supposed to take everything at face value, the devs have said this.

The endings are symbolic.


You grabs the reigns of Control

You leap into the unknown in Synthesis

You blow **** up in Destroy

It's more a bad implementation of surrealism than it is anything else. And that's why it's AWFUL.

If you actually read my post, you would know that I never said you can stop believing in IT, I only say it's just not true, like fan-theories are. They aren't true. The fact that you dismiss my posts with "opinion opinion blah blah" shows how little capacity you have for others who hold against your own beliefs. Which parts of my posts are opinions? What makes my post "blah blah"? How did you respond to 1/2 of my post before I posted?

Try to form a contstructive argument before raging and yelling at me. 


Hehe. Your funny. You go on to say literalism is true and IT is false yet you plainly say the bolded. Contradictory much? 


That's MY post, not his.

Do not take MY opinion of something to twist his words.

You have every right to an opinion, which is what I said. 

Don't confuse the two.


I only meant to use Taboo's well written explanation of "not taking things at face value" because I meant to address just that. IT supporters think there's more, but Taboo worded it perfectly of "not taking things at face value" rather than the overboard IT. 

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I know Arian but right now we need to think ahead of time for IT. But right now we need some peace. While you where gone we all argued earlier today about all of what you said and we have no break at all so please don't go there Arian please.