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[gunslinger_ruiz]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Also, did you get the name "Legion Prime" from my video, or did we just have the same thought?

I'm still disappoint that you can only get the geth prime on Earth if you killed the quarians.

Yeah, same here.

I'm really hoping Bioware releases some kind of patch that puts that Prime in to the FOB. Along with Jack's cut speech.

Cutting the speech I can understand, since you call her over thet QEC. But cutting the Prime didn't make much sense, unless it was horribley bugging out another part of the game (eg Tali's speech) to the point where the team said "F it! Tali's cooler anyway."

[Dwailing]

Aw man, Banshee, you're making me tear up. Did I really write that? It seems like so long ago. Man, you all really bring out the best in me. And I'd like to thank all of you for that. You've really changed my life. You've made me more analytical, and you saved me from abandoning Mass Effect in a fit of ending-induced rage. You all, simply put, rock. And I'm proud to be of this crazy, brilliant family.

[TJBartlemus]

@Banshee - Do you have anything that I wrote? Just curious.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

Aw man, Banshee, you're making me tear up. Did I really write that? It seems like so long ago. Man, you all really bring out the best in me. And I'd like to thank all of you for that. You've really changed my life. You've made me more analytical, and you saved me from abandoning Mass Effect in a fit of ending-induced rage. You all, simply put, rock. And I'm proud to be of this crazy, brilliant family.

*Types while putting this in the document *

Same here. Thanks everyone

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

@Banshee - Do you have anything that I wrote? Just curious.

Here's one:
The Reapers stance on their motivations for wiping out the galaxy every 50,00 years is also inconsistent with the rest of the series. In the first and second games the Reapers would only claim that organics and life was a mistake and needed extermination. Then in ME3 when Shepard meets the leader, the Catalyst, he claims that all he is trying to accomplish is to save organics from synthetics. Now why would the leader's opinion be different than those he controls?
- TJBartlemus

Good point, and nice new avatar!

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

Aw man, Banshee, you're making me tear up. Did I really write that? It seems like so long ago. Man, you all really bring out the best in me. And I'd like to thank all of you for that. You've really changed my life. You've made me more analytical, and you saved me from abandoning Mass Effect in a fit of ending-induced rage. You all, simply put, rock. And I'm proud to be of this crazy, brilliant family.

If we're all a family what does that make me? The semi-delusional cousin twice removed?  (In seriousness, very good speech. I shed a manly tear.)

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 23 novembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[lex0r11]

STOP MAKING GROWN A*S PEOPLE CRY.

[CmdrShep80]

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, and starting the game away from earth WHILE the invasion was happening could've been better. Sometimes witnessing a tragedy from far away is even more gut-wrenching than actually being there.

Just imagine. Shepard watching earth burn on a screen while he/she has to be on some space station because of a trial.

to be honest that wont really connect with players.  This is a bad example I know but watching a video of a hurricane and people evacuating or being in a hurricane and evacuating with people. One of these has a bigger impact. 

Though where your thing can come in is Shepard going to rescue someone flying closer and closer having a conversation with someone over the course of several missions. You land on the planet still in contact bust through the compound still in contact and finally bust through the door right after a sound and you find the person killed because they were fighting g indoctrination and did themselves in. But an awesome twist could be you heard all this in your head and the person's been dead since ME1 or something 

[BansheeOwnage]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Also, did you get the name "Legion Prime" from my video, or did we just have the same thought?

I'm still disappoint that you can only get the geth prime on Earth if you killed the quarians.

Yeah, same here.

I'm really hoping Bioware releases some kind of patch that puts that Prime in to the FOB. Along with Jack's cut speech.

Cutting the speech I can understand, since you call her over thet QEC. But cutting the Prime didn't make much sense, unless it was horribley bugging out another part of the game (eg Tali's speech) to the point where the team said "F it! Tali's cooler anyway."

They should have put both in!
By the way, there is cut Jack, like you said, but there is also cut Zaeed, Geth Prime, and Grunt. And those are just the one's I know about. The very interesting things about them though, are these:

1. They are all leading people. Supports the metagame theory in which you pick people to do stuff at the end like ME2, only in groups this time. Also super awesome because it shows how Shepard can inspire people.

2. They all have combat dialogue! Need I say more? The original end must have been a lot more fleshed out or we haven't seen it all yet!

IMPORTANT EDIT: Added links. Also, Joker. And Jacob.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:08 .

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@Banshee - Do you have anything that I wrote? Just curious.

Here's one:
The Reapers stance on their motivations for wiping out the galaxy every 50,00 years is also inconsistent with the rest of the series. In the first and second games the Reapers would only claim that organics and life was a mistake and needed extermination. Then in ME3 when Shepard meets the leader, the Catalyst, he claims that all he is trying to accomplish is to save organics from synthetics. Now why would the leader's opinion be different than those he controls?
- TJBartlemus

Good point, and nice new avatar!

That was from a while ago. Ahhhh, the times spent in BSN. Also, thanks!

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

By the way, there is cut Jack, like you said, but there is also cut Zaeed, Geth Prime, and Grunt. And those are just the one's I know about.

Theres also some pretty hilariously bad cut Jacob stuff.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

By the way, there is cut Jack, like you said, but there is also cut Zaeed, Geth Prime, and Grunt. And those are just the one's I know about.

Theres also some pretty hilariously bad cut Jacob stuff.

BRING IT!

That was hilariously bad, as promised. Still, woulda been fun to hear in game.

[BansheeOwnage]

IMPORTANT EDIT PROBABLY WORTH DISCUSSING ABOVE.

Just letting everyone know.

[lex0r11]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, and starting the game away from earth WHILE the invasion was happening could've been better. Sometimes witnessing a tragedy from far away is even more gut-wrenching than actually being there.

Just imagine. Shepard watching earth burn on a screen while he/she has to be on some space station because of a trial.

to be honest that wont really connect with players.  This is a bad example I know but watching a video of a hurricane and people evacuating or being in a hurricane and evacuating with people. One of these has a bigger impact. 

Though where your thing can come in is Shepard going to rescue someone flying closer and closer having a conversation with someone over the course of several missions. You land on the planet still in contact bust through the compound still in contact and finally bust through the door right after a sound and you find the person killed because they were fighting g indoctrination and did themselves in. But an awesome twist could be you heard all this in your head and the person's been dead since ME1 or something 

I just thought the person watching being Shepard and people having 2 games worth of time getting to know the character would make it relatable. At least for Paragon Shep (I didn't play much as Renegade) seeing this on a screen and not being able to do S H I T is the worst that could happen to him/her. IMHO.

Like someone is dying and you are not there but you can see/hear it. I can relate to that in a way but maybe I'm a bit too biased on that.

[Eryri]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just a simple brain fart I had that I wanted to share:

For Renegades it's easier to pick the Destroy endings. After all, my Renegade Shepard already destroyed the geth back on Rannoch, so the only real downside of the Destroy option in his case is just EDI. Jep. just EDI, that's all. Since Renegade Shepards usually don't accept that synthetics can be truly alive (if you pick the right Renegade dialogue options), the decision is quickly and easily made. For Renegades such as my Renegade Shepard, there isn't really any downside of the Destroy option.

So, how does that play in the indoctrination theory? Does this mean Renegades are more resistant against indoctrination attempts? 

Less likely to veer off course once they set their minds to something, surely.  That comes with ruthlessness.  There is a spectrum to Renegade, however.  The power-hungry might be tempted to by Control, if they can get over the dying part.

During my EC playthrough, I started picking renegade responses for a change. I was surprised by how positive and confident they actually sounded. Para-shep frets about being a VI who just thinks he's Shepard. Rene-shep has no such existential angst. He knows exactly who and what he is, and what he has to do.

During the conversation with Tali at the FOB, the Renegade response sounds far more confident and even relaxed iirc. Shepard even seems relieved that the wait is finally over, and is far more optimistic of success than the Paragon version.

It's quite rare in the series, for a renegade decision to actually have an unambiguously better outcome. The only other one I can think at the moment of is choosing to destroy the heretic Geth, rather than rewrite them, as that makes peace easier to achieve in the following game. Come to think of it, destroying the fake Rachni queen is another one, but that's more damage control, it still doesn't give you as many assets as saving the true queen in ME1.

Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

[Eryri]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened...


and this


 'Nuff said 

Modifié par Eryri, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

During my EC playthrough, I started picking renegade responses for a change. I was surprised by how positive and confident they actually sounded. Para-shep frets about being a VI who just thinks he's Shepard. Rene-shep has no such existential angst. He knows exactly who and what he is, and what he has to do.

During the conversation with Tali at the FOB, the Renegade response sounds far more confident and even relaxed iirc. Shepard even seems relieved that the wait is finally over, and is far more optimistic of success than the Paragon version.

It's quite rare in the series, for a renegade decision to actually have an unambiguously better outcome. The only other one I can think at the moment of is choosing to destroy the heretic Geth, rather than rewrite them, as that makes peace easier to achieve in the following game. Come to think of it, destroying the fake Rachni queen is another one, but that's more damage control, it still doesn't give you as many assets as saving the true queen in ME1.

Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

I can't find my more fleshed-out response to this, but I'll give it a go:

The vast majority of responses starting at the point of no return (When the LI sees you) are not paragon or renegade. Now, this happens sometimes in other parts of the trilogy, but this one is very prominent.

Basically, all of the top options after that are Paragon shaken, breaking down, losing resolve against indoctrination.

The bottom options are Renegade undeterred, confident, partially maintaining resolve against indoctrination.

This is interesting in itself, but it is also consistent with the mind trick later which is destroy appearing as renegade, and control as paragon.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Eryri wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened
-snip-
 'Nuff said 

You know I think that was the only part I liked about Synthesis. Ever.
Edit: (The picture with mshep dying horribly EDI and Joker)

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[byne]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened
-snip-
 'Nuff said 

You know I think that was the only part I liked about Synthesis. Ever.

I dont like how their relationship apparently only works out in synthesis. They dont come out of the Normandy together in control.

Thats a great lesson: love only works if you're both the same.

Modifié par byne, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened...

*snip*

 'Nuff said 

Man, I'm sure glad orange is my favourite colour!  


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[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened
-snip-
 'Nuff said 

You know I think that was the only part I liked about Synthesis. Ever.

I dont like how their relationship apparently only works out in synthesis. They dont come out of the Normandy together in control.

Thats a great lesson: love only works if you're both the same.

Good point.

[Eryri]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Perhaps making destroy the best option is Bioware's way of shaking things up? They're gently punishing us for reflexively picking the blue option every time without really thinking about it?

But I love the color blue 

Green used to be my favourite colour. Then this happened
-snip-
 'Nuff said 

You know I think that was the only part I liked about Synthesis. Ever.
Edit: (The picture with mshep dying horribly EDI and Joker)

Sorry for the sneaky edit. I liked the Jeff and Edi romance too, I really wanted things to work out for them - but I didn't like the submissive way Edi drapes herself over Jeff in the synthesis scene. It seemed a betrayal of the strong, decisive and witty character she had been previously. Just because she has emotions doesn't mean she has to start behaving like a 1940's movie heroine.

Modifié par Eryri, 23 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

You know I think that was the only part I liked about Synthesis. Ever.

I dont like how their relationship apparently only works out in synthesis. They dont come out of the Normandy together in control.

Thats a great lesson: love only works if you're both the same.

And covered in green circuitry, nobody ever fell in love without being covered in green circuitry.

I never noticed it that way though, I guess because I rationalized that they needed Synthesis to look heartwarming compared to the other two. Put emphasis on how nice it seems.

Edit: Lol banshee, I love that second picture.
Also top? On my birth year page? 
Edit 2: This spot is also reserved and owned by BleedingUranium!

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 23 novembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

Sorry for the sneaky edit. I liked the Jeff and Edi romance too, I really wanted things to work out for them - but I didn't like the submissive way Edi drapes herself over Jeff in the synthesis scene. It seemed a betrayal of the strong, decisive and witty character she had been previously. Just because she has emotions doesn't mean she has to start behaving like a 1940's movie heroine.

Yeah, well...