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[Dwailing]

*Anderson voice* I was born in 1996.

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

*Anderson voice* I was born in 1996.

I've never heard of that, is it European?

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

People have to remember the following:
Reapers lie - deal with it.

And they're good at messing with egos.
"Hey Saren Jack Harper Shepard, no one else could do this but I bet you could no problem!"

Raven!  Long time no see!  And I agree.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*Anderson voice* I was born in 1996.

I've never heard of that, is it European?

No, it's Timeothean.

[Restrider]

Something not really related to the IT topic:

Which actions do you think are the most douchebagery actions in the entire ME trilogy and in ME3 in particular?

For me it would be shooting Falere. You gain nothing by it and it makes Samara's sacrifice pointless.

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

Which actions do you think are the most douchebagery actions in the entire ME trilogy and in ME3 in particular?

Starting a romance and then dropping it in the final scene. Garrus especially looks heartbroken.

[demersel]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Choosing to destroy the geth is also not sucking at the game. I chose to destroy them deliberately. I wanted them death, just like I want the reapers death.

So, again, I have to ask: How does this translate to the indoctrination theory? For my Shepard there is no real reason NOT to pick the Destroy option in the end. Does that mean my Shepard is more resistant to indoctrination than any goody-two-shoes Paragon Shepard?

So does that mean that ruthlessness and cold calculus helps you to keep the Reapers out of your brain? 

Yes, it does. 

[Restrider]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

A point I'd like to add to the Destroy decision and the role of EDI and the Geth:
We all agree that EDI would sacrifice herself to destroy the Reapers. Legion also states that about the Geth, so does Legion Prime on Rannoch. But what most people supporting Synthesis/Control and stigmatizing Destroy with genocide do not get is the following thing - the Geth are not like an organic race. They do not have civilians or little children. At the end of ME3 they willingly enlisted in the efforts to defeat the Reapers - as a whole . You could say that all Geth are soldiers. And soldiers are sacrificed in a war to achieve certain goals - especially if that goal is the direct victory.

For instance, Admiral Hackett sacrificed the Second Fleet to save two other fleets. That's the calculus of war in action. It is ugly, but that's how wars are. The Destroy decision at the end is similar, you risk the existence of the Geth, EDI and yourself to stop the Reapers. And all three of these are - more or less - soldiers.

Very good points indeed.

Also, did you get the name "Legion Prime" from my video, or did we just have the same thought?

Your video, I really liked that name.

[Restrider]

Dwailing wrote...

Well, happy Thanksgiving! I'm glad to see that we've made it to 1990. However, it is NOT the most awesome page. The most awesome page will be 1996, for it is the year I was born. And without me, I think the thread seriously might have fallen apart after PAX. Remember my awesome speech?

Please refresh my mind, good Sir.
And I am really feeling old in this thread  

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Something not really related to the IT topic:

Which actions do you think are the most douchebagery actions in the entire ME trilogy and in ME3 in particular?

For me it would be shooting Falere. You gain nothing by it and it makes Samara's sacrifice pointless.

I would say shooting Mordin if Wrex and Eve are both alive.  There's absolutely NO justification.

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 novembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...
I would say shooting Mordin if Wrex and Eve are both alive.  There absolutely NO justification.

Scumbag carnifex made them do it.

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, happy Thanksgiving! I'm glad to see that we've made it to 1990. However, it is NOT the most awesome page. The most awesome page will be 1996, for it is the year I was born. And without me, I think the thread seriously might have fallen apart after PAX. Remember my awesome speech?

Please refresh my mind, good Sir.
And I am really feeling old in this thread  

I honestly don't remember where that speech was.  And since I'm on my phone, it would be a bit difficult to go digging. 

[Jadebaby]

[RavenEyry]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mop that up this instant!

[Restrider]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@Banshee - Do you have anything that I wrote? Just curious.

Here's one:
The Reapers stance on their motivations for wiping out the galaxy every 50,00 years is also inconsistent with the rest of the series. In the first and second games the Reapers would only claim that organics and life was a mistake and needed extermination. Then in ME3 when Shepard meets the leader, the Catalyst, he claims that all he is trying to accomplish is to save organics from synthetics. Now why would the leader's opinion be different than those he controls?
- TJBartlemus

Good point, and nice new avatar!

Something of mine in your document ?

[Dwailing]

Man, I'm going back through Mark I, and I'm surprised by what I've forgotten. For instance, did anyone else forget that Fingertip was actually an ITist at one point?

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

Man, I'm going back through Mark I, and I'm surprised by what I've forgotten. For instance, did anyone else forget that Fingertip was actually an ITist at one point?

I asked that question a couple of weeks ago and got only silence in response.

[paxxton]

Hey, Raven! Long time no see. Have you read through all the pages you missed?

[RavenEyry]

Hells naw!

Just the last couple.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 23 novembre 2012 - 02:01 .

[paxxton]

You must. lol jk

[demersel]

I have an idea, but need to check out somethink first - can somebody tell me whether the mass relays still blow up in low EMS endings?

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

Man, I'm going back through Mark I, and I'm surprised by what I've forgotten. For instance, did anyone else forget that Fingertip was actually an ITist at one point?

Nope, not really. He was actually a zealot, judging by his posts.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Even being on Earth made no sense to me. You'd think if Shepard was gonna have a trial, it'd be at Arcturus Station, where the Systems Alliance parliament is.

"But at some point, you're going to have to come to Earth and face the music." - Hackett, Arrival

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Do you think they'd include Shepard's trial in the game if the demand for it was high enough?

Considering they actually left out the air quotes rebuttal to the turian councilor that everyone was looking forward to, I doubt it.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Sabotaging the Genophage cure is Renegade, for example, but killing the Geth isn't Renegade, it's inaction. You can make peace via a Charm or Intimidate option. Just like getting everyone killed on the suicide mission isn't Renegade, it's sucking at playing properly.

+1

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Killing the geth isn't inaction. You deliberately shoot Legion or the geth VI to sabotage his reaper-code upload. Just because the option isn't color-coded doesn't mean it isn't Renegade. It's in the bottom-left corner. It's Renegade. It just doesn't require any charm/intimidate skills to pick that option.

Choosing to destroy the geth is also not sucking at the game. I chose to destroy them deliberately. I wanted them death, just like I want the reapers death.


So, again, I have to ask: How does this translate to the indoctrination theory? For my Shepard there is no real reason NOT to pick the Destroy option in the end. Does that mean my Shepard is more resistant to indoctrination than any goody-two-shoes Paragon Shepard?

So does that mean that ruthlessness and cold calculus helps you to keep the Reapers out of your brain?

It means your Shepard sucks at logic. Which makes sense, because look who's playing him. There's no reason to want all geth dead unless you're a bigot who thinks every AI is bound to go all Skynet. Which is an illogical, unsupported assumption. It's simple fear of the unknown. I shouldn't have to actually say this, but being afraid of people who are different isn't a great reason to commit genocide.

As for destroy being the best option, again this boils down to "your Shepard is a moron." Let's compare literal control and destroy, shall we?

Destroy: Shepard is implied to die, EDI dies, all organic races lose a ton of scientific and technological advancement.

Control: Shepard's consciousness lives on, EDI lives, no damage is done to organic races. You have the option of either using your invincible supermilitary to protect your people better than you ever could as a human or simply throw the Reapers into a star or black hole and get all of the good of destroy with none of the bad.

Restrider wrote...

Something not really related to the IT topic:

Which actions do you think are the most douchebagery actions in the entire ME trilogy and in ME3 in particular?

For me it would be shooting Falere. You gain nothing by it and it makes Samara's sacrifice pointless.

Murdering Mordin. Not making peace between the geth and quarians if you have the option.

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

I would say shooting Mordin if Wrex and Eve are both alive.  There's absolutely NO justification.

I agree with this.  Its the most heartwrenchingly evil thing Shepard could do.  Its dangling the carrot, then murdering a friend who's trying to correct the mistakes of his lifetime and walking away while he's bleeding to death, then lying to another friend all to get the support of a self-serving racist Salarian.

Though siding with the Geth and letting the Quarians die while romancing Tali has got to be up there as well.  Only reason it doesn't top betraying the Krogan and Mordin is that the Quarians brought it upon themselves.

[401 Kill]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I would say shooting Mordin if Wrex and Eve are both alive.  There's absolutely NO justification.

I agree with this.  Its the most heartwrenchingly evil thing Shepard could do.  Its dangling the carrot, then murdering a friend who's trying to correct the mistakes of his lifetime and walking away while he's bleeding to death, then lying to another friend all to get the support of a self-serving racist Salarian.

Though siding with the Geth and letting the Quarians die while romancing Tali has got to be up there as well.  Only reason it doesn't top betraying the Krogan and Mordin is that the Quarians brought it upon themselves.

On top of that you still end up killing Wrex as well, effectively dooming the Krogan, all for some non-important Salarian ships that aren't even worth it.

Edit: I can't believe I missed 1996:crying::crying:.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 23 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .