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[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

This isn't hard to understand.  You're making the claim that X is true, it's up to you to prove it.  In all the defenses of this stupid dark energy crap, I haven't seen one link to anything remotely resembling proof.  That's pretty damn telling right there.  Everyone has just accepted it as true without putting any actual thought into it.

[BatmanTurian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

Nope.

yes, you have nothing. Meanwhile, I'm not claiming an absolute. It's a possibility but it's not a firm fact. But it's also not a firm fact that it's not true. You can't claim any absolute here while only providing unsupported opinion.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 novembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hey Hanar, a number of pages back, I actually replied to and agreed with your supposition that renegades would be less susceptible to indoctrination. =)

That's cool. However, the idea of renegades being less susceptible to indoctrination doesn't add up, because Saren got indoctrinated quite easily. I guess one big difference is that Saren spend all of his time inside or near a reaper, as where Shepard doesn't. That might be a difference.

But yeah, my point is that however you want to look at the endings, the Starbrat doesn't have anything to make the Destroy option look like the worst option. If the geth are already destroyed on Rannoch than the Destroy option is the one single option with the least strings attached to it. The only downside of Destroy in that case is EDI, who is just 1 friendly AI. Well, in that case, I'd say: "Sorry EDI, but sucks to be you. I'm gonna blow this mountain into space and if that means you're gonna get fried too then so be it."

Yeah, unless you believe him that 'the Chaos will return'.

And of course, the power hungry renegades might go for control.

My point was that paragons are more empathic. They always seek the path of peace, but that is exactly what led to Benezia's downfall. You can't save everyone and still win. Not in the case of the Reapers. Also, it's naive to be empathic towards the ideas of an overlord of a manipulative, mind-controlling, brainwashing genocidal apex species.

Also, paragon Shepard's responses in the decision chamber seem MUCH more indoctrinated. One of the dialogue labels is even 'I think I understand'.

The decision to let Legion upload the Reaper code is a good example. I agree with you that it's the renegade option to not allow it and side with the Quarians. I also agree that it's wiser to side with the Quarians, but my reason for that is that I believe the Geth have been compromised. I think the Reaper code is the synthetics version of indoctrination, and I also think Legion using the Reaper code is analogous to choosing synthesis, sacrificing oneself to achieve ascension through Reaper technology. No thanks. It just screams 'WRONG'.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 23 novembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

Nope.

>expected nope.avi
>got nope.avi

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

This isn't hard to understand.  You're making the claim that X is true, it's up to you to prove it.  In all the defenses of this stupid dark energy crap, I haven't seen one link to anything remotely resembling proof.  That's pretty damn telling right there.  Everyone has just accepted it as true without putting any actual thought into it.

You're ignoring the fact that you and HH are also claiming Y is true. It is also up to you to prove that.
 (And I'm not claiming X is true. I'm claiming it's possible. I'm also claiming that you two are using unsupported opinion to prove Y is true, which is what the two of you are blind to)

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 novembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yup. They also said that the setting of the next game will be completely different from anything else they've made in the universe.

So that's a ground and space setting out. Perhaps some sort of aether?

Haha, lol. No, that's not what I think they meant by that.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

This isn't hard to understand.  You're making the claim that X is true, it's up to you to prove it.  In all the defenses of this stupid dark energy crap, I haven't seen one link to anything remotely resembling proof.  That's pretty damn telling right there.  Everyone has just accepted it as true without putting any actual thought into it.

You're ignoring the fact that you and HH are also claiming Y is true. It is also up to you to prove that.

Unless Karpyshyn drops by to set us straight, its impossible to prove either one.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And where is your evidence to prove this? Do you have facts or just your opinion to back it up? A lot of people throw their opinion up as fact on this board. Opinions are not facts.

As sick as it makes me to defend HH on anything, the burden of proof is not on him. It's on anyone that claims dark energy was the original plot. If you want to say dark energy has or had some major role, it's up to you to prove it. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on both parties, if anything.

This isn't hard to understand.  You're making the claim that X is true, it's up to you to prove it.  In all the defenses of this stupid dark energy crap, I haven't seen one link to anything remotely resembling proof.  That's pretty damn telling right there.  Everyone has just accepted it as true without putting any actual thought into it.

You're ignoring the fact that you and HH are also claiming Y is true. It is also up to you to prove that.

Unless Karpyshyn drops by to set us straight, its impossible to prove either one.

And that's my point exactly.

[demersel]

All right! Privateer is on!

[BatmanTurian]

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

"...according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point," he wrote on Twitter, "but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

So, it was on the table and then it was written out.

[masster blaster]

Hello? Omega trailer is it out yet/CW ep3? Oh and please stop arguing. I see no point. Dark Matter was not what they wanted. They trashed it, and did IT. But the game machanics didn't work, or did it?. They didn't think it was far that the player would loose Control of the players Shepard, yet they did. Hello the endings. We the player let Shepard go in refuse, Control, and Synthesis, yet Destroy we don't.

Shepard regains what he/she fought for, hence Hackett it telling Shepard that we did it. We won, but now it's time to rebuild Shepard. The Citadel in a sense is Shepard's body, and since they repaird the Conduit it's a symbol that the connection to Shepard and the player are still connected.

Synthesis, and Control don't have the conduit working I think, and refuse Shepard is broken.

[Krimzie]

Not to cut into this conversational debate, but I was looking through the Wall360 Black Friday sale and I was wondering if anyone knew where this piece came from. Is it from the art book? And if it is, what's the story behind it? Because A) it's beautiful and it suggests a timeline wherein people are excavating and dismantling dead Reapers and the Normandy is there. Although I have no idea who the dude in the foreground is.



This has probably been discussed, but I'm kinda thinking of buying this guy so I want to know more about it, heh.

[BatmanTurian]

Krimzie wrote...

Not to cut into this conversational debate, but I was looking through the Wall360 Black Friday sale and I was wondering if anyone knew where this piece came from. Is it from the art book? And if it is, what's the story behind it? Because A) it's beautiful and it suggests a timeline wherein people are excavating and dismantling dead Reapers and the Normandy is there. Although I have no idea who the dude in the foreground is.



This has probably been discussed, but I'm kinda thinking of buying this guy so I want to know more about it, heh.

Looks like Shepard (not saying it is, just looks like him/her). And it's a capital ship, not a destroyer, so that's on Earth. And it looks like Earth after High EMS Destroy.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[Home run MF]

 From Drew Karpyshyn's twitter

twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282584155590656
"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."

twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."

twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282864288960512
"Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."



@Krimzie I think that art was a concept for the derelict Reaper mission.

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

"...according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point," he wrote on Twitter, "but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

So, it was on the table and then it was written out.

It looks to me like he's saying this rumor isn't true.  He only said that dark energy was "on the table at one point", not that it was a definitive part of the ending.  And he specifically said the original ending was something else.

[RavenEyry]

BatmanTurian wrote...

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

"...according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point," he wrote on Twitter, "but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

So, it was on the table and then it was written out.

Good to know. So really both sides were right.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...


Looks like Shepard (not saying it is, just looks like him/her). And it's a capital ship, not a destroyer, so that's on Earth. And it looks like Earth after High EMS Destroy.

How do you make that assumption? There were sovereign class Reapers on Menae and Thessia, and plenty of other places too, i'd assume.

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

"...according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point," he wrote on Twitter, "but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

So, it was on the table and then it was written out.

It looks to me like he's saying this rumor isn't true.  He only said that dark energy was "on the table at one point", not that it was a definitive part of the ending.  And he specifically said the original ending was something else.

Yeah, so it's kind of vague.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


Looks like Shepard (not saying it is, just looks like him/her). And it's a capital ship, not a destroyer, so that's on Earth. And it looks like Earth after High EMS Destroy.

How do you make that assumption? There were sovereign class Reapers on Menae and Thessia, and plenty of other places too, i'd assume.

It's not menae because menae doesn't have bodies of water or marshes. I have no idea what Palaven looks like on the surface, so that's possible but unlikely.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 novembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[dreamgazer]

  https://twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282864288960512
"@drewkarpyshyn is it true that you had originally intended the ending of #ME3 to involve dark energy?

@LukGaming Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays. #ME3"

The most I've been able to find is that the dark energy idea was one of several considered from the start, not the concrete ending concept. In a way, I see it similar to Liara mentioning her hunt for the Shadow Broker or Aria wanting to retake Omega: a conflict that was concretely established and posed a threat, but only as something that could be picked up or discarded as the story/writers needed for the conclusion.  Hell, with the way the lore looks at dark energy and considering the relays have been "rebuilt", it could very well be picked up at a later date.

"On the table" doesn't necessarily mean it was removed, only that it was considered.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

  https://twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282864288960512
"@drewkarpyshyn is it true that you had originally intended the ending of #ME3 to involve dark energy?

@LukGaming Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays. #ME3"

The most I've been able to find is that the dark energy idea was one of several considered from the start, not the concrete ending concept. In a way, I see it similar to Liara mentioning her hunt for the Shadow Broker or Aria wanting to retake Omega: a conflict that was concretely established and posed a threat, but only as something that could be picked up or discarded as the story/writers needed for the conclusion.  Hell, with the way the lore looks at dark energy and considering the relays have been "rebuilt", it could very well be picked up at a later date.

"On the table" doesn't necessarily mean it was removed, only that it was considered.

Yes.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Home run MF wrote...

 From Drew Karpyshyn's twitter

twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282584155590656
"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."

This seems to back up my claim that the idea of the ending was always to give you the option to side with the Reapers, no matter what the motivation.

[masster blaster]

You know Bane said to Bruce that he will give the people faise hope. The endings are false hope to the player/ Shepard. Also Guess who was the Master mind in TDKR. And now look at ME3. Guys who is the master mind? I mean come on I actually saw similaritys between ME3 between TDKR.

[RavenEyry]

masster blaster wrote...

You know Bane said to Bruce that he will give the people faise hope. The endings are false hope to the player/ Shepard. Also Guess who was the Master mind in TDKR. And now look at ME3. Guys who is the master mind? I mean come on I actually saw similaritys between ME3 between TDKR.

Gasp! It's Traynor! You can never trust British people in fiction.

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

Around 200 pages to go until Chris locks the thread again. Lets hope he doesnt do it early, since I'm not gonna be around for the rest of the day. 

Lets see who gets this thread shut down this time.

I want to know too. It was Estebanus the first time, then me.