Ce sujet est ferméLOLdemersel wrote...
btw, this time we know that the lockdown is coming and we're ready for it! Perhaps this is the cycle that will defeat Cris Pristly once and for all!
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 07:55
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 07:58
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I bet those literalists expected this thread to die out. I'm glad this place is the strongest thread out there.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:02
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For sure. Doesn't that just tell you something. Especially considering BW never denied IT and encourages us to keep thousands of page long threads about it alive?401 Kill wrote...
I bet those literalists expected this thread to die out. I'm glad this place is the strongest thread out there.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:05
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At the end of each cycle, a new thread is born. This happens right after the thread is locked down.dorktainian wrote...
whats a lockdown?
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:06
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dorktainian wrote...
whats a lockdown?
For this threads purpose, when it gets too big, the thread will be locked (no posting allowed in the thread). But we will be free to start a new thread about IT.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:07
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DoomsdayDevice wrote...
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From Drew Karpyshyn's twitter
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282584155590656
"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."
This seems to back up my claim that the idea of the ending was always to give you the option to side with the Reapers, no matter what the motivation.
Haha yeah, that''s funny.
For all we know, the original concept may have been that Shepard undergoes indoctrination. It just maybe went along in a way totally different than what Drew would have done. (things like the dreams, the kid, the hallucinatory changes to environments, all may be Casey-Mac's doing)
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:09
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Gasp! It's Traynor! You can never trust British people in fiction.masster blaster wrote...
You know Bane said to Bruce that he will give the people faise hope. The endings are false hope to the player/ Shepard. Also Guess who was the Master mind in TDKR. And now look at ME3. Guys who is the master mind? I mean come on I actually saw similaritys between ME3 between TDKR.
Now I'm not going crazy with theories about her but.. the chess thing plus how she finds information so quickly about Cerberus is a little sketchy. A little.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:12
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And how she tries to con Shepard out of Thousands of credits for- of all things- a toothbrush! I've got my eye on Traynor, I don't buy that story.SwobyJ wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Gasp! It's Traynor! You can never trust British people in fiction.masster blaster wrote...
You know Bane said to Bruce that he will give the people faise hope. The endings are false hope to the player/ Shepard. Also Guess who was the Master mind in TDKR. And now look at ME3. Guys who is the master mind? I mean come on I actually saw similaritys between ME3 between TDKR.
Now I'm not going crazy with theories about her but.. the chess thing plus how she finds information so quickly about Cerberus is a little sketchy. A little.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:14
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Home run MF wrote...
From Drew Karpyshyn's twitter
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282584155590656
"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282864288960512
"Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."
@Krimzie I think that art was a concept for the derelict Reaper mission.
I can certainly understand the Crucible as an entirely new concept, used by Bioware to give the narrative a focal point, as well as possibly other things (I have theories, but that's it).
Given how ME1 felt in writing and design, and add on the idea that indoctrination MAY have been the intent from the beginning, I can say that I at least can imagine the Drew ME3 ending to just sound a lot more scientific and sci-fi and a lot less spacemagic and oooo dreams!
But they could both be the same end - Shepard may or may not choose to succumb to the Reapers, just as Revan in KOTOR can choose whether to embrace his/her dark side again (and even kill shipmates as a result), or choose the path of the light side and save the galaxy.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:38
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In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:56
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archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
Exactly.
No hay banda! And yet... we hear a band. It is all a taped recording.
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archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
I take it you're new here.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 08:58
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archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
Exactly.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:00
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Traynor is a traitor, and hey it even goes with her name. But that's not what I was getting at, although she does sound like her .
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:01
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masster blaster wrote...
Traynor is a traitor, and hey it even goes with her name. But that's not what I was getting at, although she does sound like her .
Femshep loses out again!
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:04
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Aight, thread is slow, shamelessly bumping my recent finds:
Do the From Ashes datapads reveal the entire plan Bioware has for the ending?
Is EDI foreshadowing what really happens in the destroy ending?
Do the From Ashes datapads reveal the entire plan Bioware has for the ending?
Is EDI foreshadowing what really happens in the destroy ending?
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:08
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SwobyJ wrote...
archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
I take it you're new here.
I was here in the very first day, then i surrender, i just didn't hold the line......yesterday i saw a tribute to Shep and for god's sake they can not mess up the **** ing best saga i ever played
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:09
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I like EDI.
She clearly has more Control mentality in ME2, but upon getting EVA's body (so yes, through 'Control'), she then has the opportunity to humanize herself.
EVA's visor --> Blue
EDI's visor --> Red
Synthesis visor --> Green
When it comes to types of morality in Mass Effect, I don't think its as simple as good or evil.
But situationally, some choices are better than others.
Sometimes synthesis reaches better understanding between races, species, sapients.
Sometimes controlling things enables synthesis or destroy to be possible.
Sometimes one must destroy something that goes wrong via control or synthesis (as both pose big dangers as well).
It feels like all of this stuff masks the basic truth --> By picking Control or Synthesis, you're trusting the Reaper God Child to have the Reapers leave organics alone.
I don't equate the geth or EDI to the Reapers. I feel the whole ending is made to confuse us that the Reapers and Harbinger actually care about our morality.
Shepard's MIND (especially if the ending is in his mind) may care about it, but Harbinger already has his agenda and mocks us for anything but Destroy, imo.
She clearly has more Control mentality in ME2, but upon getting EVA's body (so yes, through 'Control'), she then has the opportunity to humanize herself.
EVA's visor --> Blue
EDI's visor --> Red
Synthesis visor --> Green
When it comes to types of morality in Mass Effect, I don't think its as simple as good or evil.
But situationally, some choices are better than others.
Sometimes synthesis reaches better understanding between races, species, sapients.
Sometimes controlling things enables synthesis or destroy to be possible.
Sometimes one must destroy something that goes wrong via control or synthesis (as both pose big dangers as well).
It feels like all of this stuff masks the basic truth --> By picking Control or Synthesis, you're trusting the Reaper God Child to have the Reapers leave organics alone.
I don't equate the geth or EDI to the Reapers. I feel the whole ending is made to confuse us that the Reapers and Harbinger actually care about our morality.
Shepard's MIND (especially if the ending is in his mind) may care about it, but Harbinger already has his agenda and mocks us for anything but Destroy, imo.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:11
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...more IT really? please someone rick roll this now and put an end to this suffering! lol
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:12
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archangel1996 wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
I take it you're new here.
I was here in the very first day, then i surrender, i just didn't hold the line......yesterday i saw a tribute to Shep and for god's sake they can not mess up the **** ing best saga i ever played
I was joking
And its fine. I wasn't at all a big part of Hold the Line, and I was just more interested in the idea of something else being behind the story.
youtu.be/CD2G4_0e30k
I hope that inspires you a bit. :happy:
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...more IT really? please someone rick roll this now and put an end to this suffering! lol
More IT really.
Hi.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:14
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Home run MF wrote...
From Drew Karpyshyn's twitter
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282584155590656
"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/209035587552940033
"I don't like to comment without having played the game, but the Crucible (as I understand it via spoilers) was new."
twitter.com/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179282864288960512
"Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."
Thank you.
Someone owes me an apology, though I don't expect I'll get it.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:15
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archangel1996 wrote...
In the Destroy ending how can Shepard surivive? O_o He/She is in the Citadel and the Citadel is in the space, it's impossible to survive after the fall.....unless he never gets to the conduit.....
Not even mentioning the miles wide fireball which engulfs the presidium (and most of the Citadel) when the Crucible goes boom. Oh and the wave of red spacemagic should also shut down any life support and barriers on the Citadel, not even mentioning Shepards own synthetic parts, so even if he is still there his chances of suvrival is 0% in a litteral ending.
And yet we see the breath scene.
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Posté 23 novembre 2012 - 09:18
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SwobyJ wrote...
I like EDI.
She clearly has more Control mentality in ME2, but upon getting EVA's body (so yes, through 'Control'), she then has the opportunity to humanize herself.
EVA's visor --> Blue
EDI's visor --> Red
Synthesis visor --> Green
When it comes to types of morality in Mass Effect, I don't think its as simple as good or evil.
But situationally, some choices are better than others.
Sometimes synthesis reaches better understanding between races, species, sapients.
Sometimes controlling things enables synthesis or destroy to be possible.
Sometimes one must destroy something that goes wrong via control or synthesis (as both pose big dangers as well).
It feels like all of this stuff masks the basic truth --> By picking Control or Synthesis, you're trusting the Reaper God Child to have the Reapers leave organics alone.
I don't equate the geth or EDI to the Reapers. I feel the whole ending is made to confuse us that the Reapers and Harbinger actually care about our morality.
Shepard's MIND (especially if the ending is in his mind) may care about it, but Harbinger already has his agenda and mocks us for anything but Destroy, imo.
Exactly, and then why shouldn't a God-Shepard(Control) arrive at the same conclusions of Casper? The Renegade-God is already there.....
Then why Casper says every benefit of Contro and Synthesis but just the cons of Destroy? Please......
Sorry for the english, i am Italian
