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[byne]

demersel wrote...

Even back in ME1 I always got the impression that Earthborn shepard was from Rio. I don't know where that idea come from, but it was certainly back in the times of ME1. Maybe something in the Red Sand quest...

I always thought Chicago, but I have no idea why.

[Restrider]

Okay, I'm out for today.
See you tomorrow, maybe even in Mark IV.

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

demersel wrote...

Rif, pure speculation of course. But there was something wrong with Heastrom sun. It was a legitimate mission in the game. And big one at that.  Besides. crucible works on dark energy - it is all over it's assests in ME3. the theme is there. 

Dark energy is a thing that exists and may have damaged that one star. That doesn't mean it was secretly the main threat of the series.

I'm not saying it is secretly the main threat of the series. The reapers are.
But really, your sun suddenly going supernova for no apperent reason - that is pretty scary. And if all suns in the galaxy suddenly start to do that - that is a problem and a mystery that needs investigating and fixing. - a great starting point for a Sci-Fi RPG game. It isn't war, there isn't a direct enemy, so the your hero doesn't need to be a soldier. And it affects everyone in the galaxy. And goal is to find out why is it happenning, who's doing it , and to stop them. Great premise for a space fantasy RPG.  

@demersel:

This is the game for you: Freespace- Capella Going Supernova  The only thing about this game is Actvision and THQ are deadlocked on who owns the rights to the Freespace franchise.  Fans refuse to accept any Freespace unless it's made by Volitition itself. What happened was Activsion owns the rights to the game itself (and was made by Volition under Activision orginally), but THQ owns Volition Inc but not the rights to continue to make the game.

The game was meant to be a 3 part game but stopped at part 2 with a cliff hanger when Volition went to THQ

Here's the Intro to Freespace  After seeing this you'll understand why it's soo freaking good.  They had a storyline, deep plots, awesome gameplay, etc.  It's like Mass Effect but in ships

[Rifneno]

inb4 someone claims Legion is really Sovereign because Sovereign said "We are legion" in ME1.

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I never said indoctrination isn't at play. It certainly is. I said the choice to activate the crucible is real and it doesn't matter which one you pick as long as you choose to do so. That this isn't that way is a huge point in the current definition of IT.

There have been several posts of Raistlin, others and me about several actions that could break Control/Synthesis Shepards free from indoctrination (Rachni Queen, Liara, Shiala/Feros colonists, Leviathan,...) at a certain cost (like the counter to get Quarian/Geth peace).
So. There are variations in the IT.

They still involve winning by conventional means which is impossible.

[BatmanTurian]

badmojo88 wrote...

@BatmanTurian and yet! even though i was polite enough to not name names, you once again insult me as an opening and rebut my child remark- proving me correct

I prove nothing, Only that you emerged from the rest of BSN spouting talking points 6 months old and saying Bioware should shut down this thread for our own good. You came in here a troll, you are still acting like a troll. But do please continue embarassing yourself.

[badmojo88]

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

[Rifneno]

badmojo88 wrote...

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

That was you being nice?  Jesus...

[ElSuperGecko]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I never said indoctrination isn't at play. It certainly is. I said the choice to activate the crucible is real and it doesn't matter which one you pick as long as you choose to do so. That this isn't that way is a huge point in the current definition of IT.

LOL - well that's interesting because that's similar to my reading of the situation as well.  I believe the choice to activate the crucible is real, however (as we learned from our earlier conversation), I believe it definitely DOES matter which choice you pick...

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

badmojo88 wrote...

ok heres my point, all this drama about IT, now 'what if' just bare with me 'what if' they add nothing more after omega but multi-player packs? considering what happened with DA2 its not a far reach either. You must keep in mind this is a game dictated by marketing guidelines, so even IF i.t. was real it might not get put in the game by the time bioware would be forced to move on by EA, and theres the chance IT is just a prayer from disappointed players. Hell I know i was let down, but I dont attack people about it. Just by questioning IT at all ive been attack on every post. People say 'give me proof lets see bioware deny IT' then they dismiss the proof, heres the catch IT itself has no proof, no open declaration by bioware that it is so, and sadly IT people, the burden of proof is on you not the people who doubt. proclaiming something is doesnt make it so.

IT has no absolute proof but it has evidence, a whole page of it, which you apparently ignored on your way to troll this thread.

Proving something right is hard, proving something wrong only needs one example that shows the error.

Your frequent passive-agressive, pessimistic, negative act is getting old really fast. The same goes for Estebanus.

It's still the truth, no point in denying it. Something can have as much evidence pointing to it as it wants if there is just a tiny bit that shows it doesn't work.

I'm just pointing out that you and Estebanus have recently had a habit of rubbing others raw and that doesn't predispose them to listen to what either of you have to say.

[CmdrShep80]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Okay guys, so this is officially my next speculation.

What if the Geth consensus mission is a foreshadowing of the ending?

What if Legion is showing you false images of the events that caused the Geth-Quarian war?

(Just like the catalyst is showing you false images in a virtual environment)

What if he is showing you those images in hopes of influencing your decision to let them use the Reaper code?

(Just like the catalyst is trying to influence your decision)

That would explain why the decision to let Legion upload the Reaper code seems exactly like synthesis.

He sacrifices himself to achieve ascension through Reaper technology!

What if Legion was a Reaper agent from the get-go?

What if he only donned the N7 armour to manipulate you into thinking he's your fanboy?

(Just like the catalyst appears as the child to gain your trust)

What if the whole 'erasing of Reaper code' from the Geth consensus was a complete charade? As we can see, you can never really eradicate it completely. The 'roots' will remain.

Just like the whole 'destroying/controlling' the Reapers thing you do in the end is only an illusion?

Is the entire Geth consensus mission completely foreshadowing the end?

HAVE WE BEEN TRICKED TWICE IN THE SAME GAME WITH THE SAME TRICK BY BIOWARE?

Mind = blown?

ow!  ~~~  ow!!! ~~~~  mind blown twice.  This is a really good thought DD.  I wish I had the answers for you but what do you suppose would be the paragon choices in that whole Geth Consensus sequence.  It's obvious you have to play it if you're a completionist but what would the logical path be if Legion's just leading you on?  Plus...say it ain't so , I like Legion

[BatmanTurian]

badmojo88 wrote...

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

Hey, new theory,. You're a troll and just refuse to admit it because it would get you banned.

[byne]

badmojo88 wrote...

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

You're not the first person to jokingly suggest that.

I remember a long time ago someone suggested that all of ME1-3 was just the prothean beacon's vision as interpreted by Shepard.

[umadcommander]

well i need to go, but ill be back

[CmdrShep80]

Restrider wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Okay guys, so this is officially my next speculation.

What if the Geth consensus mission is a foreshadowing of the ending?

What if Legion is showing you false images of the events that caused the Geth-Quarian war?

(Just like the catalyst is showing you false images in a virtual environment)

What if he is showing you those images in hopes of influencing your decision to let them use the Reaper code?

(Just like the catalyst is trying to influence your decision)

That would explain why the decision to let Legion upload the Reaper code seems exactly like synthesis.

He sacrifices himself to achieve ascension through Reaper technology!

What if Legion was a Reaper agent from the get-go?

What if he only donned the N7 armour to manipulate you into thinking he's your fanboy?

(Just like the catalyst appears as the child to gain your trust)

What if the whole 'erasing of Reaper code' from the Geth consensus was a complete charade? As we can see, you can never really eradicate it completely. The 'roots' will remain.

Just like the whole 'destroying/controlling' the Reapers thing you do in the end is only an illusion?

Is the entire Geth consensus mission completely foreshadowing the end?

HAVE WE BEEN TRICKED TWICE IN THE SAME GAME WITH THE SAME TRICK BY BIOWARE?

Mind = blown?

REPOSTED SINCE IT GOT SWEPT AWAY
@DD
But didn't Tali and Admiral Zael'Koris kind of confirm that they
started turning the Geth off, once they started to evolve to something
the Quarians did not desire to have?
And Zael'Koris declares these actions as unethical and wrong.

I
can see the different approaches to handle the Geth uprising, but I
think that it is confirmed from the Geth and the Quarians that the
Quarians can be seen as aggressors - rightfully or not.

We can do an entire thread just on "Were the Quarians really the aggressors, or was the Concensus all a lie?

[badmojo88]

Rifneno wrote...

badmojo88 wrote...

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

That was you being nice?  Jesus...

yeah me being mean is going back 2014 pages on this thread and reporting certain people for harrasment, looks like all that one kid does is sit here accussing people of trolling. 

Modifié par badmojo88, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[Rifneno]

I'm starting to see why we get called conspiracy nuts. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that the quarians weren't the aggressors. MULTIPLE quarians in MULTIPLE games tell you straight up that as soon as they realized the geth were sentient they were all ordered deactivated.

[BatmanTurian]

badmojo88 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

badmojo88 wrote...

since being nice and forthright doesnt seem to work on this thread lets try this....

Hey! new theory! Shepard was knocked out in ME1 at the beacon blowing up and is still out cold and all of ME1-2-3 were just a dream and we're really waiting on the real game to come out

That was you being nice?  Jesus...

yeah me being mean is going back 2014 pages on this thread and reporting certain people for harrasment, looks like all that one kid does is sit here accussing people of trolling. 

Wow, seriously? I'm harassing you? That's hilarious. I haven't sent you a PM or anything. I'm simply responding to your behavior in this thread. As you said, it's an open forum.

(edit: By the way I'm 32 years old and married. Again, I'm not the one who came into this thread with a provocative first post. If anyone is acting childish, it is you)

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 novembre 2012 - 01:04 .

[BleedingUranium]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Also top? On my birth year page? 

Punny... you're in my top of page post spot.

Well since I am a very generous and kind person, I will share the top spot with you.


I also have no idea what to add to the current conversation besides opinions so I'm just.. uh..

I should go.

Yay!


@Doomsday
I like most of your theories, but as Raistlin and I have pointed out many times now, Legion is not uploading the Reaper code into the Geth, he's uploading a code he created and wrote that was based on the Reaper code.

It's exactly the same as Thanix cannons and the Prothean mass relay. We're not using Reaper tech, technology we don't understand. We're learning how it works, then making our own versions of it, free from all Reaper influence and control.

And from a themes standpoint, your idea is terrible. IT is great because it upholds the themes of the series, this would do the opposite. The entire point of the Geth/Quarian story since ME1, regardless of your Shepard's view or action, was to show that it was the Quarians' fault and that they tried to murder all the Geth, and that the Geth are fully sentient living beings, no different than anyone else in any way that matters. This would completely undermine that.

Put another way, it would be like if that rumour that Disney wants to bring back Darth Vader for Star Wars VII VIII IX turned out to be true

[demersel]

@, though it was me, who initially started the topic of not trusting the geth, and legion uploading his code essentially being synthesis, I really think that there is a possibility for it not to be a trap or double game. In fact it works even better as a forshadowing and a trick device for the ending for the whole geth thing being true, and there being no negative consequences - think about it - it is a positive example of synthesis! - so the guardian sees that in your memories and exploits it. And he also exploits your compassion for the geth as allies.

And really what makes me think that Legion really was Legion, and that he was not compromised - is the example of EDI - she also has reaper code in her, and that is what makes her truly alive. And she had a full two games of proving herself to you.

That is the positive points.

However, there are negative points as well. (or neutral, depends on your point of view)
First, think carefully, where do you actually meet Legion, and what is he doing there? (derelict reaper, interacting with the core of the derelict reaper).

Then there is the thing about the "house devided" mission. You see, in that mission, legion says that the heretics are preparing to upload a virus, that would turn all geth into heretics. That virus is of reaper origin. And then he preposes to ise that same reaper virus to turn the heretics into normal geth.

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

badmojo88 wrote...

ok heres my point, all this drama about IT, now 'what if' just bare with me 'what if' they add nothing more after omega but multi-player packs? considering what happened with DA2 its not a far reach either. You must keep in mind this is a game dictated by marketing guidelines, so even IF i.t. was real it might not get put in the game by the time bioware would be forced to move on by EA, and theres the chance IT is just a prayer from disappointed players. Hell I know i was let down, but I dont attack people about it. Just by questioning IT at all ive been attack on every post. People say 'give me proof lets see bioware deny IT' then they dismiss the proof, heres the catch IT itself has no proof, no open declaration by bioware that it is so, and sadly IT people, the burden of proof is on you not the people who doubt. proclaiming something is doesnt make it so.

IT has no absolute proof but it has evidence, a whole page of it, which you apparently ignored on your way to troll this thread.

Proving something right is hard, proving something wrong only needs one example that shows the error.

Your frequent passive-agressive, pessimistic, negative act is getting old really fast. The same goes for Estebanus.

It's still the truth, no point in denying it. Something can have as much evidence pointing to it as it wants if there is just a tiny bit that shows it doesn't work.

I'm just pointing out that you and Estebanus have recently had a habit of rubbing others raw and that doesn't predispose them to listen to what either of you have to say.

I don't care if it's passive aggressiveness for if I'm merely stating a fact. And this time it's really just that: it doesn't matter how much "evidence" you have if there is just one tiny counter. If you define that as passive aggressive then I could define the "we have tons of evidence" slogan as just a cheap attack. It's nothing more then intimidation.

I also don't get why you always have to bring Estebanus in it too if he didn't even post since I-even-don't-know-how-long. It doesn't matter what he writes if you don't like my attitude.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I never said indoctrination isn't at play. It certainly is. I said the choice to activate the crucible is real and it doesn't matter which one you pick as long as you choose to do so. That this isn't that way is a huge point in the current definition of IT.

There have been several posts of Raistlin, others and me about several actions that could break Control/Synthesis Shepards free from indoctrination (Rachni Queen, Liara, Shiala/Feros colonists, Leviathan,...) at a certain cost (like the counter to get Quarian/Geth peace).
So. There are variations in the IT.

They still involve winning by conventional means which is impossible.

Not that crap again

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

DD, with all due respect (a lot), I think your ideas about the geth right now are FRAKKING NUTS. I respect your right to an opinion, but I don't agree with you in the slightest.

It's just speculation, chill out.

Think about it, the similarities are there.

Give me good counter arguments.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

It would be amazing if it was true. It would basically mean Bioware tricked us twice with the same thing. Only the first time, they're telling us it's a virtual environment.

Give us a good argument before we give a good counter argument.  All you've got is "what if" based on... I don't even know what you're basing it on.

I'm seeing parallels.

1. Both catalyst and Legion appear to you as something familiar. Catalyst appears as the child from Earth, Legion wears a N7 armour piece. (And Shepard is supicious of this)
2. Both are showing you images in a virtual environment. 
3. Both are feeding you information about a conflict between organics and synthetics. The catalyst is feeding you false information about a conflict between synthetics and organics, to influence your decision. The parallel makes me wonder if Legion could be doing the same.
4. Legion sacrifices himself to help the Geth ascend, through Reaper technology. That is exactly what happens in synthesis.
5. Both are making you do something futile, or so it appears. Legion lets you erase data while you can't get rid of the roots, and the catalyst shows you a pretty image of how you control/destroy/ascend while in fact god knows what else happens in reality. For all we know, Shepard could have been erasing parts of his own brain instead of Reaper code without knowing it.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

I'm starting to see why we get called conspiracy nuts. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that the quarians weren't the aggressors. MULTIPLE quarians in MULTIPLE games tell you straight up that as soon as they realized the geth were sentient they were all ordered deactivated.

Doesn't change the fact they side with the Reapers in an attempt to save their behinds.