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AresKeith wrote...

Banshee <3

Megumi gets one too <3

*scratches head* huh?

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@Banshee both

Thanks Posted Image

I dislike that BW made the faces in ME3 more uniform. The slider values don't have as much of an effect as they had.


They also made a lot of the hair look kind of weird. Like, too shiny for my tastes.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image

Did I mention FemShep looks extremely hawt with the Revenant which looks completely oversized on her? :D

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@MegumiAzusa I gave you one just because lol

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BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image


Is this a reference to the fact that "None of them have seen what you've seen" happens right over the little child scene? 'Cause if so... weird! :D

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed. If I was editing the vid, I'd put a shot of the Human Reaper Larva there or something, not a lil' chubby tike.

[Edit because I can doez speel gud]. 

Modifié par Krimzie, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:01 .


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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Banshee both

Thanks Posted Image

I dislike that BW made the faces in ME3 more uniform. The slider values don't have as much of an effect as they had.


They also made a lot of the hair look kind of weird. Like, too shiny for my tastes.

Or purple hair with pink shimmer :D (there are better images but that is the one I have uploaded)

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Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image


Is this a reference to the fact that "None of them have seen what you've seen" happens right over the little child scene? 'Cause if so... weird! :D

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed.

LOL That's almost as awesome as when I looked at the kid and Anderson said


"SHOOT HIM!"

OMG I laughed soooooo hard.    Posted Image

@Blur you had to pick the age-rated one didn't you. For some reason, my youtube account is my only account with my real birthday, so I can't watch half of the posted videos. :/ What second-mark is it at?

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badmojo88 wrote...
 I believe IT has a wiki blog

It's not one we can access or edit and the owner has moved on to... who knows where. It has lots of mistakes, old information, etc.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:03 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image


Is this a reference to the fact that "None of them have seen what you've seen" happens right over the little child scene? 'Cause if so... weird! :D

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed.

LOL That's almost as awesome as when I looked at the kid and Anderson said


"SHOOT HIM!"

OMG I laughed soooooo hard.    Posted Image

@Blur you had to pick the age-rated one didn't you. For some reason, my youtube account is my only account with my real birthday, so I can't watch half of the posted videos. :/ What second-mark is it at?

The link states #t=21s.

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Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image


Is this a reference to the fact that "None of them have seen what you've seen" happens right over the little child scene? 'Cause if so... weird! :D

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed. If I was editting the vid, I'd put a shot of the Human Reaper Larva there or something, not a lil' chubby tyke. 


Yep. It's also worth noting that the kid, or at least the shuttle, is in every single ME3 trailer (other than the MP trailers, obviously).



MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ANDERSON KNOWS! Posted Image

Did I mention FemShep looks extremely hawt with the Revenant which looks completely oversized on her? :D


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?

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I need to find a way to take screenshots from xbox games other than just using my phone.

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BatmanTurian wrote...
There is so much to the IT, that we (especially me) forget things regularly or we don't think things through at the time. This is a common human error. Also, this is not science, it's literary theory, so it's a little more loose and harder to pin down. I've said a couple times that we would be better served by having a wiki.

No argument here.


Might as well chime in about hot topics...

about indoctrinated / untrustworthy Geth:
I agree with DD's general idea of the right choice not being always Renegade or Paragon.  That's how I played the whole series so I would agree with that.  I did feel like letting the Geth remain was a big big risk - it was the morally right thing to do at the time, but was it the right thing to do in terms of the war?  What if it divided the galaxy?  What if another minature conflict ensued?  Whether blame fell on bitter Geth or distrustful Quarians doesn't really matter.  The wrong choice could have doomed tha galaxy.

DD's idea about the Geth and Legion being enemies is a really good idea.  However it's a highly extreme idea.  It happens in films and games that your close allies turn on you as a twist.  But it has to be executed with serious skill, and normally there has to be a narrative reason as well.  It is possible that saving the Geth is objectively the wrong choice, but imo we need a whole lot more evidence to actually go with this idea.  (I know this was basically what DD was saying anyway).  To turn around and say the Geth are enemies and not to be trusted would have a serious impact on the nbarrative content on of ME3.  The message would basically be opposite to what we had learned so far.  That is, ME had at least argued the possibility of value in sentient, synthetic life.  To say that it's a product of Reaper tech and therefore bad goes against the narrative of the rest of the story.  It would be a cheap cop out - "no machines can't be alive, the only reason they seem alive is because they have Reaper code which is bad, so you should kill them all".

I hope I didn't butcher my point too much.  What I'm trying to say is that the value of synthetic life is given quite objective treatment in the series, and is handfled really well.  If BW are saying "ah no it's just Reaper nonsense, they're tricking you into thinking they have rights", it's a very heavy one-sided way of ending that part of the narrative.  They might be saying that, but I think they'd need to make it pretty clear in the story if that's what they are saying.  So we'd probably need nothing less than some kind of reveal to confirm it.


About Omega, yes I think it will have some pretty serious clues about stuff, and yes I think it will be completely ignored by a significant chunk of the fanbase.  (Tbh I think this is how Bioware likes it :D)

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BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.

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Krimzie wrote...

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed. If I was editing the vid, I'd put a shot of the Human Reaper Larva there or something, not a lil' chubby tike.

Unless the whole point was to feature him there. After all, Blur and I figured out that the kid is in all of the ME3 SP trailers, and even alluded to in this one.

On a side note, why the hell did they have to make him chubby/look and act like an entitled rich kid? The reapers act like that actually...

Edit: Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:08 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed. If I was editing the vid, I'd put a shot of the Human Reaper Larva there or something, not a lil' chubby tike.

Unless the whole point was to feature him there. After all, Blur and I figured out that the kid is in all of the ME3 SP trailers, and even alluded to in this one.

On a side note, why the hell did they have to make him chubby/look and act like an entitled rich kid? The reapers act like that actually...


The kid is Cartman without his coat and hat? ^_^

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.

I've grown to like her more over time. Like Vega.

Also, capture card.

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BleedingUranium wrote...
For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


I dunno. I prefer the one that looks like Kristen Bell myself.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:11 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.

I've grown to like her more over time. Like Vega.

Also, capture card.


I kinda wanna redo my Shepard sometime. I dont think she really transferred well into ME3. She's kind of grown on me though.

I dont have a capture card so heres a phone pic:

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.

I've grown to like her more over time. Like Vega.

Also, capture card.


I kinda wanna redo my Shepard sometime. I dont think she really transferred well into ME3. She's kind of grown on me though.

I dont have a capture card so heres a phone pic:

impressive

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Davik Kang wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
There is so much to the IT, that we (especially me) forget things regularly or we don't think things through at the time. This is a common human error. Also, this is not science, it's literary theory, so it's a little more loose and harder to pin down. I've said a couple times that we would be better served by having a wiki.

No argument here.


Might as well chime in about hot topics...

about indoctrinated / untrustworthy Geth:
I agree with DD's general idea of the right choice not being always Renegade or Paragon.  That's how I played the whole series so I would agree with that.  I did feel like letting the Geth remain was a big big risk - it was the morally right thing to do at the time, but was it the right thing to do in terms of the war?  What if it divided the galaxy?  What if another minature conflict ensued?  Whether blame fell on bitter Geth or distrustful Quarians doesn't really matter.  The wrong choice could have doomed tha galaxy.

DD's idea about the Geth and Legion being enemies is a really good idea.  However it's a highly extreme idea.  It happens in films and games that your close allies turn on you as a twist.  But it has to be executed with serious skill, and normally there has to be a narrative reason as well.  It is possible that saving the Geth is objectively the wrong choice, but imo we need a whole lot more evidence to actually go with this idea.  (I know this was basically what DD was saying anyway).  To turn around and say the Geth are enemies and not to be trusted would have a serious impact on the nbarrative content on of ME3.  The message would basically be opposite to what we had learned so far.  That is, ME had at least argued the possibility of value in sentient, synthetic life.  To say that it's a product of Reaper tech and therefore bad goes against the narrative of the rest of the story.  It would be a cheap cop out - "no machines can't be alive, the only reason they seem alive is because they have Reaper code which is bad, so you should kill them all".

I hope I didn't butcher my point too much.  What I'm trying to say is that the value of synthetic life is given quite objective treatment in the series, and is handfled really well.  If BW are saying "ah no it's just Reaper nonsense, they're tricking you into thinking they have rights", it's a very heavy one-sided way of ending that part of the narrative.  They might be saying that, but I think they'd need to make it pretty clear in the story if that's what they are saying.  So we'd probably need nothing less than some kind of reveal to confirm it.


About Omega, yes I think it will have some pretty serious clues about stuff, and yes I think it will be completely ignored by a significant chunk of the fanbase.  (Tbh I think this is how Bioware likes it :D)

Yes one big point of ME is it builds up prejudices in the player against factions, species, machines, etc and then smashes them (or smashing the alien when playing as renegade). This point is also very often overlooked.
Think:
Batarians
Krogan
Quarians
Volus
Geth
AI in general

and that are just the biggest ones. There are minor ones like young Asari = stripper.

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I agree with Davik Kang about weak stuff making IT weaker, but the point is we don't always agree what is weak and what is not.

Speculation is just that: speculation.

The fun part of speculation is that it can provoke thoughts or question things we always thought to be fact. That in itself is the entire premise of IT. Questioning what is being presented to us.

Sometimes for a new idea to be explored, a radical change of perspective is needed.

Now when I'm speculating, I'm not saying 'omg u guyz i figured it out11! accept my truth11!1', I'm just saying 'what if'.

Now I realize you can say 'what if' in front of any bizarre, out-of-the-blue statement you can think of, so I'm giving a few reasons for what provoked my line of thought.

There's no need to go yelling at me that I'm crazy. I'd rather just be reminded of some good stuff that debunks my idea.

Because the point of speculation is to develop a line of thinking that is consistent and hard to poke holes in.

So by all means, poke holes. I'm just trying to say there's no need to get all upset when people start brainstorming.

I mean, I could try and figure it out by myself and play ME2 again for the Legion stuff, or search videos for clues, and sometimes that's what I do before I bring something up.

Other times, this is just more fun.

You could say I'm crazy for coming up with this stuff, but at least we've been discussing the game for several frantic pages straight instead of just arguing with trolls or being off-topic.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

In light of the recent discussions of being more discerning about proof, I'd say this is just good fun -- but it's still a little weird, indeed. If I was editing the vid, I'd put a shot of the Human Reaper Larva there or something, not a lil' chubby tike.

Unless the whole point was to feature him there. After all, Blur and I figured out that the kid is in all of the ME3 SP trailers, and even alluded to in this one.

On a side note, why the hell did they have to make him chubby/look and act like an entitled rich kid? The reapers act like that actually...


The kid is Cartman without his coat and hat? ^_^


BHWAHAHA. 

And I didn't realize that, Banshee! But it makes sense, considering he IS the Final Boss. 

And I've always wondered about his design. I guess he could pass for a younger version of default Sheploo, but obviously that's an inconsequential observation since his appearance doesn't change for anyone. I know this is a weird thing to want, but some extra background on that kid in-game -- if he exists or ever existed -- would rule. I want to have a reason to feel bad for him, other than Cute Little Kid syndrome. My maternal instinct only goes so far.

Modifié par Krimzie, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:14 .


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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.

I've grown to like her more over time. Like Vega.

Also, capture card.


I kinda wanna redo my Shepard sometime. I dont think she really transferred well into ME3. She's kind of grown on me though.

I dont have a capture card so heres a phone pic:

Posted Image

How dare you having your Shep looking much like mine? (That's exactly what I was talking about earlier. Even when watching some random on YT I always stumbled over Sheps who looked just like mine with very very minor differences)

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my shep, just to add to the conversation:
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Here's something interesting! I was rewatching Legion's loyalty mission and looked some stuff up about the Heretics and the virus they introduced that sublely disrupts basic runtime processes. BioWare managed to insert the whole Pentium Problem into the game with the whole 1.33382 thing. The thing is they changed the answer from 1.33374 and made it into a more subtler version at 1.33381.