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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Okay, first off: my apologies if this has been noticed before. It's new to me, and if it isn't new, well, it's worth bringing it up again.

Secondly, I realize this will make me look like a complete tinfoil crazy, and it proves nothing, but it's too cool not to bring it up.

Here we go.

Having dug into a lot of dialogue recently, I can't help but notice there's a lot of 4th wall breaking stuff in the game. Stuff with a double meaning.

From Ashes - Eden Prime

Three datapads.

First dapatad:

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Eden Prime = Earth
Colony = Galaxy
Dr. William Cambiata = Commander Shepard
Cerberus = Reaper

Is this an explanation that the ending is a Reaper trap? It is completely consistent with IT.

Second datapad:

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Colony = Galaxy.

Is this an explanation that the Reapers are actually with far fewer than we think? Do they only have a large presence in the 'south-west' of the galaxy to make it seem like they're with much more? Is this a clue that we could have a conventional victory?

Third datapad:

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Maintain the story as long as possible? Bioware PR plan?

I propose we call controllers & synthesizers the 'pacified neighbourhoods' from now on. xD

I mean seriously, could this just be Bioware subliminally telling us that the ending was a trap, conventional victory is possible and that we'll have to wait until they stop maintaining the story?

One more thing.

At the start of the mission, my Earthborn Shepard said this:

"The city on Earth where I grew up was hard and dirty. I can see it as a war zone."

(I'm sure Banshee and Blur will love this, with their Rio theory. If they didn't already know about this one.)

You were right this is great! I've actually only played From Ashes once. I should do it again. It certainly draws parallels to BSN as well. I saved this page to my favourites under the title:
DoomsdayDevice's Deadly and Deceptive Datapads. Posted Image

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes one big point of ME is it builds up prejudices in the player against factions, species, machines, etc and then smashes them (or smashing the alien when playing as renegade). This point is also very often overlooked.
Think:
Batarians
Krogan
Quarians
Volus
Geth
AI in general

and that are just the biggest ones. There are minor ones like young Asari = stripper.


Protheans. Not the benevolent and noble scholars we thought they were.

Things not being what they appear to be is a central theme in ME.

The Asari goddess? Just a Prothean.

The Reaper overlord? Just a Harbinger projection. :P

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:21 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?

*snip*


So, like, are these supposed to be pictures agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because she looks pretty stupid in all of these pictures to me.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?


I like Default Femshep, but she kind of has a Lindsay Lohan thing going on. :?

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BleedingUranium

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?

*snip*


So, like, are these supposed to be pictures agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because she looks pretty stupid in all of these pictures to me.


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes one big point of ME is it builds up prejudices in the player against factions, species, machines, etc and then smashes them (or smashing the alien when playing as renegade). This point is also very often overlooked.
Think:
Batarians
Krogan
Quarians
Volus
Geth
AI in general

and that are just the biggest ones. There are minor ones like young Asari = stripper.


Protheans. Not the benevolent and noble scholars we thought they were.

Things not being what they appear to be is a central theme in ME.

The Asari goddess? Just a Prothean.

The Reaper overlord? Just a Harbinger projection. :P


Things not being what they appear to be... how does that relate to the ending? Oh yeah...

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So anyone a good video editor? I want to see Synthesis put to the song Because I Got High. I think it might be funny in a very juvenile way.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?

*snip*


So, like, are these supposed to be pictures agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because she looks pretty stupid in all of these pictures to me.


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I'm probably harsher than I should be, but I just dont think the face from the artwork translated very well into the game.

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@DD - my post above is about the different conclusion. That's what they did to the Geth. They created a runtime error to produce an incorrect mathemathical value So one value says 4195835/3145727=1.33382 (the Geth's conclusion and the correct answer) but the virus introduces the value of: 4195835/3145727=1.33381 (resulting in an incorrect answer that cannot be explained). A subtle change but can result in long term inaccuracies of mathematics causing an error in code. The second devisor value by the way is pi rounded up and without the decimal - 3.14159265359

EDIT - I learned that Pi has 1 million digits.  throwing this into the above would cause a serious error trying to figure out where the error is

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:27 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

my shep, just to add to the conversation:
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Boom-chicka-wow-wow...

My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

So anyone a good video editor? I want to see Synthesis put to the song Because I Got High. I think it might be funny in a very juvenile way.


Why would you want to mess with perfection?

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Guys didn't TIM say project overlord was off the grid? well it appears that TIM wanted project overlord to start again.


www.youtube.com/watch

Also what Archer tells Shepard about TIM is just funny.

http://www.youtube.c...7UFi2pr0Y#t=69s

Ya TIM is working with the devil the Reapers.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:26 .


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...


My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.


I read that as geth at first, and was totally about to ask for whatever face code pulled that off.

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byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

So anyone a good video editor? I want to see Synthesis put to the song Because I Got High. I think it might be funny in a very juvenile way.


Why would you want to mess with perfection?


Oh I like that, I just want to see this combo done since I don't have the skills myself to do it.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:26 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


For some reason I always think of the Revenant as FemShep's main gun, so I'm sure I'll be using it when I do a FemShep playthrough.

Has anyone come up with a good face code that looks like ME3 FemShep for ME1/2?


Why would you want to look like default ME3 FemShep? She looks pretty stupid.


Oh really?

*snip*


So, like, are these supposed to be pictures agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because she looks pretty stupid in all of these pictures to me.


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I think she looks good. I would probably use her for a playthrough (even though I like mine), except I don't know how similar you could make her look in ME1/2.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

@DD - my post above is about the different conclusion. That's what they did to the Geth. They created a runtime error to produce an incorrect mathemathical value So one value says 4195835/3145727=1.33382 (the Geth's conclusion and the correct answer) but the virus introduces the value of: 4195835/3145727=1.33381 (resulting in an incorrect answer that cannot be explained). A subtle change but can result in long term inaccuracies of mathematics causing an error in code. The second devisor value by the way is pi rounded up and without the decimal - 3.14159265359


Thanks! :D

I totally forgot about that. It's been a while since I played ME2.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

my shep, just to add to the conversation:
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Boom-chicka-wow-wow...

My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.

That sounds cool, not sure if that would be military regulation though lol.
Custom code for anyone who wants a Kristen Bell Shepard: 743.HGM.J1A.784.AFA.11L.CDN.116.8B5.1A1.234.177

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

my shep, just to add to the conversation:
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Boom-chicka-wow-wow...

My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.

Woot? A Goth that is not pale? Does not compute.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@DD - my post above is about the different conclusion. That's what they did to the Geth. They created a runtime error to produce an incorrect mathemathical value So one value says 4195835/3145727=1.33382 (the Geth's conclusion and the correct answer) but the virus introduces the value of: 4195835/3145727=1.33381 (resulting in an incorrect answer that cannot be explained). A subtle change but can result in long term inaccuracies of mathematics causing an error in code. The second devisor value by the way is pi rounded up and without the decimal - 3.14159265359


Thanks! :D

I totally forgot about that. It's been a while since I played ME2.


Do you think that mathematical explanation mimicks a genetic mutation in organics, and that's where the Quarians went wrong?

Modifié par Krimzie, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:31 .


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byne wrote...

I'm probably harsher than I should be, but I just dont think the face from the artwork translated very well into the game.

No, the face in the artwork is only similar. It looks younger, and superior in my opinion, but the ingame one I find quite pleasant as well.

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byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.


I read that as geth at first, and was totally about to ask for whatever face code pulled that off.

Obviously
FLA.SHL.IGH.T0H.EAD

fill the rest as you like.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:38 .


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Dam Javik owned Wrex's brother Wreav here take a look.


www.youtube.com/watch

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


My femshep looks like a Goth, sort of. A really hot one though, but not as pale. Black lips.


I read that as geth at first, and was totally about to ask for whatever face code pulled that off.

Obviously
FLA.SH0.LIG.HTH.EAD


Actually made me laugh out loud. Well played.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

*snip*

You were right this is great! I've actually only played From Ashes once. I should do it again. It certainly draws parallels to BSN as well. I saved this page to my favourites under the title:
DoomsdayDevice's Deadly and Deceptive Datapads. Posted Image


Awesome. :D

I explained it better here though. Especially the last part of the 3rd datapad that seems to be saying that players wouldn't cooperate (pick control/synthesis) if they knew it was game over.