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[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...
Yeah, I know, I was kind of brainstorming.

So, your take on the events on Virmire are something like this?
You think that Sovereign has a link to the Virmire beacon after finding a way to circumvent the need of an organic to activate it. Then, while Sovereign is studying the beacon, there comes Shepard and interrupts him. Sovereign kicks him out at the end of the vision. After that Sovereign starts a discussion using the holo-pad to find out what the hell is going on in the base on Virmire and particularly in the comm-room. Hence the conversation with Sovereign and in the end the Reaper reveal.

I have to say, it is a possible interpretation, but I still miss an explanation regarding the holo-pad on a remote landing platform in Arrival.
If we assume the direct link between minds is not connected to the beacon, it appears to be more coherent - to me at least. Since we can label the communication between Sovereign on Virmire/Harbinger in Arrival and Shepard/his team with the same technique.

Your subjective wishes clouds your judgement. You want the connection between them. Yes we don't know if the dialog with Harbinger was enhanced by an holoemitter nearby or not but there are some points you miss:
The holo image on Virmire is different, there are also other holo dials right in front of Sovereign.
The image of Harbinger is more likely comparable to the image on the collector base, which still looks more like a holo image. Also it changes depending on you having done the suicide mission or not, for which there would be no explanation if you go with direct connection.

Your take of the Virmire conversation is also inconsequential. You assume that the image of Sovereign in the vision is Sovereign kicking Shepard out of the beacon. Yet Sovereign or some random Reaper already appears while melding with Shiala (link 1), IIRC that also appears in post-Virmire meldings with Liara. That's at least a hit to the theory of Sovereign kicking out Shepard in the beacon vision.
I'm not saying that I am right, but as long as you cannot provide me with a consistent alternative, I'll still hold to my assertion.

Note the difference in the first few, and last few frames
Virmire
It starts with Sovereign and ends with it. Also in the video you linked it's much more holographic/undefined [1] vs [2]

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 novembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[RavenEyry]

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

Not really.

[umadcommander]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

nihlus didnt see the shot coming, mordin did

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

Not really.

To completely deny the presence of parallels would be wrong.  However, there aren't enough for me to really draw any messages from that camera angle.

[RavenEyry]

umadcommander wrote...

nihlus didnt see the shot coming, mordin did

Yes but the point is it cuts to an over the shoulder camera angle just for the shot, after being behind for a while.

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...
To completely deny the presence of parallels would be wrong.  However, there aren't enough for me to really draw any messages from that camera angle.

Oh definitely. It's not definitely on purpose or anything, but it always reminds me.

[ean0611]

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

[umadcommander]

RavenEyry wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

nihlus didnt see the shot coming, mordin did

Yes but the point is it cuts to an over the shoulder camera angle just for the shot, after being behind for a while.

i suppose the whole "manipulating victims into betraying friends" could come into play here, i mean the reapers dont want the full force of the krogan against them and the genophage keeps them in check to a limited extent so i can see where youre coming from

[Dwailing]

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

[MegumiAzusa]

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

Difference is kotor slaps you in the face with "hints" it basically outright says "you are Revan" from the first dream, repeating it over and over always being more specific. I have problems believing people actually never saw that. ME is different as in it never directly does that like having random Reaper voices in your head or not being able to go back until you are shot at by Harbinger.

[IronSabbath88]

Another little tidbit from Leviathan that was probably touched on already.

Leviathan says "your memories formulate our words" or something along those lines, and we definitely know if Leviathan is capable of making it seem like people are appearing infront of you that the reapers robably can do so aswell

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

I just noticed that at least in TOR BW messed up and used the Republic logo for the Sith Empire. (as in a derivation of it while the old republic logo is a derivation of the new republic logo)

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

I just noticed that at least in TOR BW messed up and used the Republic logo for the Sith Empire.

Was it a mistake? or was it intentional?

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

I just noticed that at least in TOR BW messed up and used the Republic logo for the Sith Empire.

Was it a mistake? or was it intentional?

I guess it's more used as a "good guys"/"bad guys" thing here, but it's nevertheless a serious mess up imo (also read my edit of the original post for clarification)

[RavenEyry]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Leviathan says "your memories formulate our words" or something along those lines, and we definitely know if Leviathan is capable of making it seem like people are appearing infront of you that the reapers robably can do so aswell

Bioware confirmed our common speculation that Mr. Sparkle was made partly from Shepards memories shortly before leviathan came out.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

I just noticed that at least in TOR BW messed up and used the Republic logo for the Sith Empire.

Was it a mistake? or was it intentional?

I guess it's more used as a "good guys"/"bad guys" thing here, but it's nevertheless a serious mess up imo (also read my edit of the original post for clarification)

I wouldn't consider it a HUGE mess up.  And odds are the devs know they didn't use the canon Republic logo and plan to introduce a story reason for the difference.

[IronSabbath88]

I would say "partly" is putting it mildly.

[RavenEyry]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I would say "partly" is putting it mildly.

Their words not mine. Even in a literal interpretation can you really trust something that's been in your head without wiping it's feet?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I would say "partly" is putting it mildly.

Their words not mine. Even in a literal interpretation can you really trust something that's been in your head without wiping it's feet?

I wouldnt quite trust it even if it did wipe its feet.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I would say "partly" is putting it mildly.

Their words not mine. Even in a literal interpretation can you really trust something that's been in your head without wiping it's feet?

That is one layer, still doesn't say anything about their intentions.

[ajk_Jack]

Dwailing wrote...


I'm curious about something.  I know Casey Hudson was part of the KOTOR team, but was he part of the Jade Empire team as well?  Also, was Mac Walters involved with either?  It's been a while since I played KOTOR.

I'm pretty sure Casey was part of the Jade Empire team.

Also, it's been awhile. That new BSN post about eight writers for the next ME3 DLC has got me back into IT mode. 

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[ajk_Jack]

ean0611 wrote...

I just played KOTOR again.

So for people talking about a connection between the reapers and Shepard due to Sovereign, remember Bastilla and Revan. This has been done before.

Also for the twist angle, there are tons of hints that you are Revan during gameplay, especially if you go to Kashyyyk before Leviathan. The comptuer on Kashyyyk, directly says "your" memories.

I'm playing Jade Empire again waiting for Omega DLC. After the credits of KOTOR rolled, a lot of familiar names came up. Bioware really does have an awesome writing team. There's too much hints in this game to be "bad writing", as they all pretty much point to the same thing.

I really hope the reveal comes soon.

I'm actually playing KOTOR for the first time currently. There are some parallels between Reapers and Shepard along with Bastila and Revan. BioWare games have used this and other story pieces before in their games. BW's writing in KOTOR and ME3 is rock solid, so yes, 'bad writing' in ME3 is almost invalid as an argument.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 24 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh btw a little headsup on the Talons for the ones of you who didn't read the books and have no idea what they are:
It's a Turian merc gang (who would have known by that name )
They are basically the rivals of Aria, they started out small, but their presence on Omega grew so big they are basically the only thread Aria has to worry about from a rival to take over Omega.
They are the only gang on Omega independent of Aria.
Because of that they there frequently used by Cerberus to rent docking bays and housing so it didn't fell under Arias radar.

Wow, so they really do have a stake in retaking Omega. I'm particularly interested in that last part and how everything went to butts later.

[MegumiAzusa]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh btw a little headsup on the Talons for the ones of you who didn't read the books and have no idea what they are:
It's a Turian merc gang (who would have known by that name )
They are basically the rivals of Aria, they started out small, but their presence on Omega grew so big they are basically the only thread Aria has to worry about from a rival to take over Omega.
They are the only gang on Omega independent of Aria.
Because of that they there frequently used by Cerberus to rent docking bays and housing so it didn't fell under Arias radar.

Wow, so they really do have a stake in retaking Omega. I'm particularly interested in that last part and how everything went to butts later.

The how is explained in the Invasion comic.