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[paxxton]

FifthBeatle wrote...

Hey everybody, happy (belated) thanksgiving.

I was re-reading Liara's homeworld comic when I caught that there are three ancient Prothean archives - Mars, one that was deleted from the records (presumably Thessia), and one unknown. I assume that the unknown one has to be Omega, right?

Thank you! (belated)

[FifthBeatle]

Well, even if Omega isn't a previous Crucible, we do know there is one more ancient Prothean archive out there...

Omega? Hidden on the Citadel? Or was it Javik on Eden Prime?

[GethPrimeMKII]

There is definitely a connection between the reapers and omega. Mass Effect Retribution indicated as much.

[masster blaster]

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Not a quote so much as a excerpt from Mass Effect: Retribution. "He was being transformed. Re purposed. The implants had spread throughout his body. The self replicating Reaper technology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transformingransforming him into a monstrous hybrid of organic and synthetic life. His flesh had become stretched and semi translucent. Beneath it he could see thin flexible tubes winding along his limbs. Flickers of light pulsed along the tubes, the illumination bright enough to be visible through his opaque skin." -Chapter Nine Mass Effect Retribution., Paul Grayson being re purposed, aka "synthesized" by the Reapers.

Ah, that doesn't sound familiar at all. -Insert Synthesis ending pic-

well said Bravo0543211

A clear example of how synthesis is... Well... This. Great piece!

How's that leap of faith looking now?

The year was 2027

reposting for anyone that missed it.

[Davik Kang]

FifthBeatle wrote...

Well, even if Omega isn't a previous Crucible, we do know there is one more ancient Prothean archive out there...

Omega? Hidden on the Citadel? Or was it Javik on Eden Prime?

What about Therum?  Wasn't that a Prothean ruin?

Talking of Therum, did you guys know that Liara believes she is hallucinating if you leave her rescue until last?  And that she becomes terrified of the Krogan leader?  (Superstitious awe... maybe)

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

Well, in both it is a douchebag shooting a friend in the back...

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm sure this has been mentioned many times but it's one of my favourites.

Does the camera angle when Shepard takes the shot here look familiar?

Why yes, it does!

Well, in both it is a douchebag shooting a friend in the back...

With the camera in front of the victim, showing the shooter on the left, using a carnifex.

[Davik Kang]

Davik Kang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Note the difference in the first few, and last few frames
Virmire
It starts with Sovereign and ends with it. Also in the video you linked it's much more holographic/undefined [1] vs [2]

This got me thinking... I wonder if the vision we see in the beacon is Synthesis?  Synthetic and organic material twisted together... energy coming from the CItadel... humanoid creatures being spontaneously ... somethinged...

Anyone think anything about this?  Before one of the visions (when you share with Liara) she even says 'embrace eternity' immediately as it starts...

[Restrider]

Davik Kang wrote...
What about Therum?  Wasn't that a Prothean ruin?

Talking of Therum, did you guys know that Liara believes she is hallucinating if you leave her rescue until last?  And that she becomes terrified of the Krogan leader?  (Superstitious awe... maybe)

I wouldn't read too much into this.
If you pick her up later, she is floating longer time in that bubble, I would assume.

After all, Liara is a young scientist with awkward social behaviour, being attacked by murderous machines that usually do not leave their realm of rule and a huge mountain of meat and muscles with the notion to go into bloodrage, while the whole mine is starting to collapse.

I would be cacking myself too, if a Krogan battlemaster was trying to capture me.

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
I wouldn't read too much into this.
If you pick her up later, she is floating longer time in that bubble, I would assume.

After all, Liara is a young scientist with awkward social behaviour, being attacked by murderous machines that usually do not leave their realm of rule and a huge mountain of meat and muscles with the notion to go into bloodrage, while the whole mine is starting to collapse.

I would be cacking myself too, if a Krogan battlemaster was trying to capture me.

Yep I agree, was just wondering if you'd seen it, also was interested that she interprets the squad as hallucinations.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[Restrider]

Davik Kang wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Note the difference in the first few, and last few frames
Virmire
It starts with Sovereign and ends with it. Also in the video you linked it's much more holographic/undefined [1] vs [2]

This got me thinking... I wonder if the vision we see in the beacon is Synthesis?  Synthetic and organic material twisted together... energy coming from the CItadel... humanoid creatures being spontaneously ... somethinged...

Anyone think anything about this?  Before one of the visions (when you share with Liara) she even says 'embrace eternity' immediately as it starts...

My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

[MegumiAzusa]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh btw a little headsup on the Talons for the ones of you who didn't read the books and have no idea what they are:
It's a Turian merc gang (who would have known by that name )
They are basically the rivals of Aria, they started out small, but their presence on Omega grew so big they are basically the only thread Aria has to worry about from a rival to take over Omega.
They are the only gang on Omega independent of Aria.
Because of that they there frequently used by Cerberus to rent docking bays and housing so it didn't fell under Arias radar.

Wow, so they really do have a stake in retaking Omega. I'm particularly interested in that last part and how everything went to butts later.

The how is explained in the Invasion comic.

Even the Talon part? I never see anything talking about them when I try to look for more information on Invasion.

No up to the Omega DLC the Talons were only mentioned in the books.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Morning guys. So do you think that Omega trailer will come out a day before the release, to make sure people arr excited to get Omega, and buy it.

Arr indeed! Where is my Rum?!

[FifthBeatle]

Davik Kang wrote...

FifthBeatle wrote...

Well, even if Omega isn't a previous Crucible, we do know there is one more ancient Prothean archive out there...

Omega? Hidden on the Citadel? Or was it Javik on Eden Prime?

What about Therum?  Wasn't that a Prothean ruin?

Talking of Therum, did you guys know that Liara believes she is hallucinating if you leave her rescue until last?  And that she becomes terrified of the Krogan leader?  (Superstitious awe... maybe)

well, the three Prothean archives I am talking about are mentioned in Homeworlds which takes place long after ME1. Though the question remains if the unknown archive is Javik on Eden Prime, Omega, or something else. 

[RavenEyry]

Davik Kang wrote...

This got me thinking... I wonder if the vision we see in the beacon is Synthesis?  Synthetic and organic material twisted together... energy coming from the CItadel... humanoid creatures being spontaneously ... somethinged...

The shot of the ilos statue alien going "Glurrk!" certainly looks like he's being somethinged.

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I don't agree with Megumi about IT in it's most popular form being disproved, but she does make a point I've brought up several times. There's a difference between showing all the foreshadowing against control and synthesis, showing starchild is lying, showing the ending is filled with intentional oddities, and outright proving the end was entirely a hallucination. Like most of you, I have my reasons for thinking the end being a hallucination is the most logical possibility, but that is far from a given. As Megumi also points out, there is the possibility that it's intentionally open ended and that there is no right answer. Personally, I think taking into account all the statements made in the weeks immediately before launch, and given my interpretation of what occurs during the end, that there is more to it and that additional content should be coming. Again though, this position isn't nearly as strong as our dismantling of the control and synthesis options. Still think IT is the only theory that makes sense of some otherwise massive plot holes, but I'm willing to concede that maybe Bioware did make some pretty big mistakes. Time will tell.

I'm fine with Megumi's argument. It's the way she makes it that grates on me. But that just a personality conflict between she and me, I suppose.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Regarding Omega:

1: One of the comics heavily hinted Omega was a Reaper construction. This also makes a whole lot of sense since Omega is fricking huge and build just outside the Omega 4 Relay. Why is this so important? Well the Reapers have tendency to vaporize any traces of the past cycle and i cant see them missing a massive space station right outside the Omega 4 Relay.

2: Omega is around the size of the Citadel so if it is past Crucible project someone in that project should be fired for reading the size really, really wrong.

3: Most importantly we almost certainly know the Prothean´s Crucible was built somewhere close to Thessia. Vendetta says he was based on the Overseer of the Crucible Project and with the Mass Relays shut down he could not have gone to the Omega system. Off course this implies Vendetta is completely what it says it is (having my doubts).

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Morning guys. So do you think that Omega trailer will come out a day before the release, to make sure people arr excited to get Omega, and buy it.

Arr indeed! Where is my Rum?!

I see what you did there...
BTW: Why do I mostly find spanish videos when searching for The Simpsons on YT?

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...
BTW: Why do I mostly find spanish videos when searching for The Simpsons on YT?

The copyright police come down pretty hard on the simpsons sadly.

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

Yeah - we see Ilos, fleeing beings with something happening to them, we hear the disturbing clicking of machines (reminds me of the typewriters in Naked Lunch), we see flesh mangled with metal and a mouth opening like in Alien, visions of the Citadel as the heart of it all...

huskification and Reaperisation is definitely there I agree, and it does link the dangers of what's coming.  But I wonder if it is also a vision of Synthesis.  As in, instantaneous galactic Reaperisation.

On a related note, the Asari had diverse religious beliefs, but many converted to a centralised siari belief system after they expanded across the galaxy.  Siari promises a final evolution of all minds meeting as one - very similar to the Geth religion that Legion speaks of.  

The Asari also seem to have had their development tampered with (by Protheans or Reapers) and are the central force that brings everyone to the Citadel to live in a calm manner, with dependence on the relays.  It seems that their genetic potential may have been tapped by the Reapers to make the harvest efficient in this cycle.

So I wonder if the centralised religious beliefs of the Asari and Geth, and their ultimate goal of a common consciousness, are entirely brought on by the Reapers?  "Embrace eternity" is the siari catchphrase.  And it is very like synthesis.

It makes me wonder if a form of Synthesis is what turned the Protheans into the Collectors... and maybe that's what we saw in the beacon... but that's separate from the religion issue.  Any thoughts on these?

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait a minute the Catalyst is also lying to Shepard again. In Javiks cycle the where building the crucible right, but the Catalyst says they destroyed the Crucible/ the blue prints seven cycles ago right, yet it's not really surpised that the Crucible is still around.

But it acted like it never actually exsisted for about 7 cycles, yet in the prothean cycle they were building the crucible so the brat should have knowne that the crucible was still around and should have taken care of it. we also know that the Reaper were on Mars during the Prothean cycle.

Remeber that Prothean object in ME1, that shows Shepard a human on Mars, and the Protheans we experimenting on, yet the Reapers came, and killed the Human. So They were on Mars before, so if the Crucible desgin was on Mars, and the Reapers Destroyed the Protheans on Mars, then wow.

You are mixing up false information and bad spelling like you make seven out of several etc. Also it said "we first noticed [...] several cycles ago"

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

Yeah - we see Ilos, fleeing beings with something happening to them, we hear the disturbing clicking of machines (reminds me of the typewriters in Naked Lunch), we see flesh mangled with metal and a mouth opening like in Alien, visions of the Citadel as the heart of it all...

huskification and Reaperisation is definitely there I agree, and it does link the dangers of what's coming.  But I wonder if it is also a vision of Synthesis.  As in, instantaneous galactic Reaperisation.

On a related note, the Asari had diverse religious beliefs, but many converted to a centralised siari belief system after they expanded across the galaxy.  Siari promises a final evolution of all minds meeting as one - very similar to the Geth religion that Legion speaks of.  

The Asari also seem to have had their development tampered with (by Protheans or Reapers) and are the central force that brings everyone to the Citadel to live in a calm manner, with dependence on the relays.  It seems that their genetic potential may have been tapped by the Reapers to make the harvest efficient in this cycle.

So I wonder if the centralised religious beliefs of the Asari and Geth, and their ultimate goal of a common consciousness, are entirely brought on by the Reapers?  "Embrace eternity" is the siari catchphrase.  And it is very like synthesis.

It makes me wonder if a form of Synthesis is what turned the Protheans into the Collectors... and maybe that's what we saw in the beacon... but that's separate from the religion issue.  Any thoughts on these?

The buildings in the vision are of Prothean architecture. They retconned the vision of it being the creatures from Ilos. Even the buildings on the citadel in that vision are of Prothean-make. My belief is that all the lasagna and circuitry is the Protheans being made into the Collectors.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:44 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait a minute the Catalyst is also lying to Shepard again. In Javiks cycle the where building the crucible right, but the Catalyst says they destroyed the Crucible/ the blue prints seven cycles ago right, yet it's not really surpised that the Crucible is still around.

But it acted like it never actually exsisted for about 7 cycles, yet in the prothean cycle they were building the crucible so the brat should have knowne that the crucible was still around and should have taken care of it. we also know that the Reaper were on Mars during the Prothean cycle.

Remeber that Prothean object in ME1, that shows Shepard a human on Mars, and the Protheans we experimenting on, yet the Reapers came, and killed the Human. So They were on Mars before, so if the Crucible desgin was on Mars, and the Reapers Destroyed the Protheans on Mars, then wow.

You are mixing up false information and bad spelling like you make seven out of several etc. Also it said "we first noticed [...] several cycles ago"

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

[masster blaster]

Well the Reapers to be honest David only care about Humanity. The Asari are just dust to the Reapers, like the Geth were to Nazara. I do believe the Protheans thought that the Asari were going to be the top dogs in the galaxy, yet when the huamns appered later on it all changed. I mean the Asari are the political voice, and have far more advance tech, but Humanity evolve quickly. Look at just 1 discovery lead to many things humanity did. Yes they had help from the coucile races, but sadly everyone fears Humanity.

I mean some other races see huamnity as power hungry, wanting to do what ever they want. You can say the same thing to the other races, but Humanity is better at it.

Also the Reapers see the Asari's genetic material as to weak, where as humanitys it's not.

You see the Protheans = Asari can mate with anything alive that has dna/ genetic material.

Were as the Reapers = see their genetic material to weak, and see their mating as a weakness. So they see Humanity as the best, hence why Earth got the hammer to the bulk of the Reaper force.

[MegumiAzusa]

Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

Yeah - we see Ilos, fleeing beings with something happening to them, we hear the disturbing clicking of machines (reminds me of the typewriters in Naked Lunch), we see flesh mangled with metal and a mouth opening like in Alien, visions of the Citadel as the heart of it all...

huskification and Reaperisation is definitely there I agree, and it does link the dangers of what's coming.  But I wonder if it is also a vision of Synthesis.  As in, instantaneous galactic Reaperisation.

On a related note, the Asari had diverse religious beliefs, but many converted to a centralised siari belief system after they expanded across the galaxy.  Siari promises a final evolution of all minds meeting as one - very similar to the Geth religion that Legion speaks of.  

The Asari also seem to have had their development tampered with (by Protheans or Reapers) and are the central force that brings everyone to the Citadel to live in a calm manner, with dependence on the relays.  It seems that their genetic potential may have been tapped by the Reapers to make the harvest efficient in this cycle.

So I wonder if the centralised religious beliefs of the Asari and Geth, and their ultimate goal of a common consciousness, are entirely brought on by the Reapers?  "Embrace eternity" is the siari catchphrase.  And it is very like synthesis.

It makes me wonder if a form of Synthesis is what turned the Protheans into the Collectors... and maybe that's what we saw in the beacon... but that's separate from the religion issue.  Any thoughts on these?

You also see ships flying around in the Citadel frames, and they have loose similarities with Asari dreadnaughts.