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[MegumiAzusa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait a minute the Catalyst is also lying to Shepard again. In Javiks cycle the where building the crucible right, but the Catalyst says they destroyed the Crucible/ the blue prints seven cycles ago right, yet it's not really surpised that the Crucible is still around.

But it acted like it never actually exsisted for about 7 cycles, yet in the prothean cycle they were building the crucible so the brat should have knowne that the crucible was still around and should have taken care of it. we also know that the Reaper were on Mars during the Prothean cycle.

Remeber that Prothean object in ME1, that shows Shepard a human on Mars, and the Protheans we experimenting on, yet the Reapers came, and killed the Human. So They were on Mars before, so if the Crucible desgin was on Mars, and the Reapers Destroyed the Protheans on Mars, then wow.

You are mixing up false information and bad spelling like you make seven out of several etc. Also it said "we first noticed [...] several cycles ago"

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

It might mean they thought they eradicated it with the Protheans.

[Davik Kang]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle. 

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

True, though 'eradicated' could be interpreted as being a part of the clean up job that the Reapers do at the end of each cycle.  Reaper wars don't last a few days - the Prothean one lasted centuries I think.  And what the Reapers do is painstakingly scour the galaxy for any signs of advanced life, and kill or control it.  And many 'husks' or other indoctrinated subjects are left behind at the end to remove all traces of evidence that the Reapers were ever there.  

It's likely they would also have tried to eradicate all evidence of the Crucible designs (assuming it's not a Reaper trap).  But they clearly missed some stuff, like Prothean beacons, and the ruins on Mars.  So Child might've meant that.

Btw I reckon Crucible could be of Leviathan design.  It's cheesy to have yet another thing explained in terms of what we already know, but it does seem likely.  Explains Control, might even explain why Synthesis is an option (if literal).  Might also explain how the plans survived (because thralls of the Leviathans hid the plans from leftover husks of the Reapers).

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

Yeah - we see Ilos, fleeing beings with something happening to them, we hear the disturbing clicking of machines (reminds me of the typewriters in Naked Lunch), we see flesh mangled with metal and a mouth opening like in Alien, visions of the Citadel as the heart of it all...

huskification and Reaperisation is definitely there I agree, and it does link the dangers of what's coming.  But I wonder if it is also a vision of Synthesis.  As in, instantaneous galactic Reaperisation.

On a related note, the Asari had diverse religious beliefs, but many converted to a centralised siari belief system after they expanded across the galaxy.  Siari promises a final evolution of all minds meeting as one - very similar to the Geth religion that Legion speaks of.  

The Asari also seem to have had their development tampered with (by Protheans or Reapers) and are the central force that brings everyone to the Citadel to live in a calm manner, with dependence on the relays.  It seems that their genetic potential may have been tapped by the Reapers to make the harvest efficient in this cycle.

So I wonder if the centralised religious beliefs of the Asari and Geth, and their ultimate goal of a common consciousness, are entirely brought on by the Reapers?  "Embrace eternity" is the siari catchphrase.  And it is very like synthesis.

It makes me wonder if a form of Synthesis is what turned the Protheans into the Collectors... and maybe that's what we saw in the beacon... but that's separate from the religion issue.  Any thoughts on these?

The buildings in the vision are of Prothean architecture. They retconned the vision of it being the creatures from Ilos. Even the buildings on the citadel in that vision are of Prothean-make. My belief is that all the lasagna and circuitry is the Protheans being made into the Collectors.

In the books it's said that the cities on the arms are built by the Cycles.

[Bill Casey]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

He also failed to wipe out the Leviathan...
And then there's Javik...

Lord knows what else the Reapers failed to eradicate...
What is biding their time in the dark corners of the galaxy...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait a minute the Catalyst is also lying to Shepard again. In Javiks cycle the where building the crucible right, but the Catalyst says they destroyed the Crucible/ the blue prints seven cycles ago right, yet it's not really surpised that the Crucible is still around.

But it acted like it never actually exsisted for about 7 cycles, yet in the prothean cycle they were building the crucible so the brat should have knowne that the crucible was still around and should have taken care of it. we also know that the Reaper were on Mars during the Prothean cycle.

Remeber that Prothean object in ME1, that shows Shepard a human on Mars, and the Protheans we experimenting on, yet the Reapers came, and killed the Human. So They were on Mars before, so if the Crucible desgin was on Mars, and the Reapers Destroyed the Protheans on Mars, then wow.

You are mixing up false information and bad spelling like you make seven out of several etc. Also it said "we first noticed [...] several cycles ago"

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

It might mean they thought they eradicated it with the Protheans.

Sure, but he himself says it has been around for several cycles and then simply assumes it has been eradicated in this cycle despite it showing up last cycle.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 24 novembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[masster blaster]

Oh David, well to help with your post above, um there is a beacon in ME2, that has the same visions you see in ME1, but at the end it has the Collectors in it, meaning the visions that you saw, were actually the Protheans being turned into Collectors.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Bill Casey wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

He also failed to wipe out the Leviathan...
And then there's Javik...

Lord knows what else the Reapers failed to eradicate...
What is biding their time in the dark corners of the galaxy...

Dont forget the Rachni, they survived the Prothean Cycle as well.

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
My first association with that vision was someone spilling cheap fridge lasagna over his/her motherboard. After having more context some form of huskification/reaperization.

Yeah - we see Ilos, fleeing beings with something happening to them, we hear the disturbing clicking of machines (reminds me of the typewriters in Naked Lunch), we see flesh mangled with metal and a mouth opening like in Alien, visions of the Citadel as the heart of it all...

huskification and Reaperisation is definitely there I agree, and it does link the dangers of what's coming.  But I wonder if it is also a vision of Synthesis.  As in, instantaneous galactic Reaperisation.

On a related note, the Asari had diverse religious beliefs, but many converted to a centralised siari belief system after they expanded across the galaxy.  Siari promises a final evolution of all minds meeting as one - very similar to the Geth religion that Legion speaks of.  

The Asari also seem to have had their development tampered with (by Protheans or Reapers) and are the central force that brings everyone to the Citadel to live in a calm manner, with dependence on the relays.  It seems that their genetic potential may have been tapped by the Reapers to make the harvest efficient in this cycle.

So I wonder if the centralised religious beliefs of the Asari and Geth, and their ultimate goal of a common consciousness, are entirely brought on by the Reapers?  "Embrace eternity" is the siari catchphrase.  And it is very like synthesis.

It makes me wonder if a form of Synthesis is what turned the Protheans into the Collectors... and maybe that's what we saw in the beacon... but that's separate from the religion issue.  Any thoughts on these?

The buildings in the vision are of Prothean architecture. They retconned the vision of it being the creatures from Ilos. Even the buildings on the citadel in that vision are of Prothean-make. My belief is that all the lasagna and circuitry is the Protheans being made into the Collectors.

In the books it's said that the cities on the arms are built by the Cycles.

Right, the visions are from the previous cycle because it's the scientists trying to warn the future cycle.

[Davik Kang]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
The buildings in the vision are of Prothean architecture. They retconned the vision of it being the creatures from Ilos. Even the buildings on the citadel in that vision are of Prothean-make. My belief is that all the lasagna and circuitry is the Protheans being made into the Collectors.

In the books it's said that the cities on the arms are built by the Cycles.

Huh... so the Citadel itself is like a synthesis of the history of galactic culture...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[Davik Kang]

masster blaster wrote...

Well the Reapers to be honest David only care about Humanity. The Asari are just dust to the Reapers, like the Geth were to Nazara. I do believe the Protheans thought that the Asari were going to be the top dogs in the galaxy, yet when the huamns appered later on it all changed. I mean the Asari are the political voice, and have far more advance tech, but Humanity evolve quickly. Look at just 1 discovery lead to many things humanity did. Yes they had help from the coucile races, but sadly everyone fears Humanity.

I mean some other races see huamnity as power hungry, wanting to do what ever they want. You can say the same thing to the other races, but Humanity is better at it.

Also the Reapers see the Asari's genetic material as to weak, where as humanitys it's not.

You see the Protheans = Asari can mate with anything alive that has dna/ genetic material.

Were as the Reapers = see their genetic material to weak, and see their mating as a weakness. So they see Humanity as the best, hence why Earth got the hammer to the bulk of the Reaper force.

Yeah ok, I dunno if I put quite the same emphasis on the importance of the human race over all others, but certainly it is stated in ME2 that humanity is the preferred race for the construction of a new Reaper... or maybe a new Collector-type army...

masster blaster wrote...
Oh David, well to help with your post above, um there is a beacon in ME2, that has the same visions you see in ME1, but at the end it has the Collectors in it, meaning the visions that you saw, were actually the Protheans being turned into Collectors.

Yes, and I don't doubt that, I was just suggesting that maybe what happened to the Protheans was effectively what happens to the current cycle in Synthesis...

[Davik Kang]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Right, the visions are from the previous cycle because it's the scientists trying to warn the future cycle.

Yeah they are Prothean beacons...

 and I remember thinking that sonme datapads are so oddly worded that they are more like Shepard hearing the thoughts of a person rather than reading them on a datapad... like touching their minds (especially on Earth)...

I wonder if the vision is like the last thoughts of the Prothean or Protheans using the beacon?  And that it comes across in one huge rush because it's the collective thoughts of all Protheans as they are Reaperised?  In one horrific moment involving the Citadel?

Again, might be thougts over a long time condensed into one, but it also could be the instantaneous huskification of all Protheans by a Synthesis-style effect emerging from the Citadel... 

[masster blaster]

Oh my I see. If cycles before added stuff to the Citadel, then it makes the Citadel more alive. In other words if cycles before the Council cycle added stuff to the Citadel, then it makes you wonder since the Citadel is a trap right, and it apperes that maybe every cycle adds more onto the Citadel, then could this be also what the Crucible is.

It appers that every cycle add more parts to the crucible right, but I wonder if what cycles did to the citadel, also is could be the same thing we are doing to the crucible.

Oh and Forgot when Shepard ask " who desgined it?"

The Catalyst say : You would not know them, and there isn't much time to explain.

So it knows who created the crucible, but won't tell us. I wonder when we asked the Leviathans about the Crucible, they pause for a brief momunt. Then they go onto say that they saw cycles try to construct the crucible, but failed.

What I also find funny is that nobody knows what the Crucible does. Forget the Catalyst for a momunt.

No person in this cycle, or in the Prothean cycle did not know what the crucible does right. Nor does the Leviathans, although they are holding some info back it seems. So if cycles before the Protheans added on to the crucible, not knowing what it does, then did the first cycle that stgarted to create the crucible know what they were doing?

Also could it have been possible that the crucible could have been started by Indoctrinated?

[MegumiAzusa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait a minute the Catalyst is also lying to Shepard again. In Javiks cycle the where building the crucible right, but the Catalyst says they destroyed the Crucible/ the blue prints seven cycles ago right, yet it's not really surpised that the Crucible is still around.

But it acted like it never actually exsisted for about 7 cycles, yet in the prothean cycle they were building the crucible so the brat should have knowne that the crucible was still around and should have taken care of it. we also know that the Reaper were on Mars during the Prothean cycle.

Remeber that Prothean object in ME1, that shows Shepard a human on Mars, and the Protheans we experimenting on, yet the Reapers came, and killed the Human. So They were on Mars before, so if the Crucible desgin was on Mars, and the Reapers Destroyed the Protheans on Mars, then wow.

You are mixing up false information and bad spelling like you make seven out of several etc. Also it said "we first noticed [...] several cycles ago"

Even so the Catalyst still says, "we believed the concept had been eradicated" despite it beeing used as early as the Prothean Cycle.

It is not a direct lie, no, but he has a serious ego to think it eradicated from one cycle to the next without even looking.

It might mean they thought they eradicated it with the Protheans.

Sure, but he himself says it has been around for several cycles and then simply assumes it has been eradicated in this cycle despite it showing up last cycle.

Harby: "Hah, without these informations about the Catalyst these plans are utterly useless."
Reaper: "Uhm Chief Harby we just got word from The Illusive Man they found out about the Catalyst."
Harby: "Oh **** oh **** oh ****."

[Arashi08]

When the Collector General was brought up earlier it got me thinking...wasn't the Collector General kinda useless and unnecessary for the game? Granted the General seemed to act as a middleman between Harbinger and the collectors, but ME3 kinda proves that the General was never even needed for that. Maybe people would've thought ME2 was more tied in witht he series if we had always known that Harbinger was a Reaper instead of that whole "what a twist" moment. It would have made it feel like the Reapers had more of a direct hand in the abductions instead fo feeling like the Reapers were just being quiet while the Collectors were doing the work. It might also have made the Arrival holoprojection make more sense imo.

[MegumiAzusa]

Arashi08 wrote...

When the Collector General was brought up earlier it got me thinking...wasn't the Collector General kinda useless and unnecessary for the game? Granted the General seemed to act as a middleman between Harbinger and the collectors, but ME3 kinda proves that the General was never even needed for that. Maybe people would've thought ME2 was more tied in witht he series if we had always known that Harbinger was a Reaper instead of that whole "what a twist" moment. It would have made it feel like the Reapers had more of a direct hand in the abductions instead fo feeling like the Reapers were just being quiet while the Collectors were doing the work. It might also have made the Arrival holoprojection make more sense imo.

It is useful as a figurehead. A representative that impresses and intimidates negotiation partners. Also it can be used as a central processor for all the Collectors without Harby spending much energy on it.
A headless army would just have looked like tons of husks without being as badass.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[masster blaster]

I always find it funny. The Collector General seemed like it was running the show, but instead at the end it appers a Reaper called Harbinger was the puppet Master/ Controlling the General. Now think about Arrival. Kenson was herself for a bit, but then Harbinger took Control of Kenson, which I find it strange because I thought you needed Reaper tech in your body for them to assume Control over people/ their forces.

Anyways Harbinger is speaking through Kenson which is funny because you hear Kensons voice, but you hear an amplifed voice of Kenson, but as Harbinger. Oh crap somebody should check the files when Kenson is assumed Control by Harbinger, and isolate the sound files when Kenson again is being Control by Harbinger.

If they didn't uses Harbingers voice, then it could mean that the ending could be Harbinger Indoctrinating Shepard, and when Shepard refuses him, then the voice that Harbinger is useing to mask his voice amps, and boom.

[spotlessvoid]

The crucible supposedly only came to starchild's attention several cycles ago, yet he knows who created it, and despite supposedly trying to eradicate it every cycle, it keeps popping back up. Then, even though starchild finds the crucible plans dangerous enough to eradicate, no move is made to stop it's construction. Only one Reaper is assigned to stop the attempt from reaching it, and he doesn't even try very hard at it, instead allowing the ONLY access point to activate it (which happens to be only 100m away from the controls on a 50km station) to be left unattended allowing Shepard and Anderson access, with only TIM in between. SOMETHING isn't right there

[Krimzie]

masster blaster wrote...

I always find it funny. The Collector General seemed like it was running the show, but instead at the end it appers a Reaper called Harbinger was the puppet Master/ Controlling the General. Now think about Arrival. Kenson was herself for a bit, but then Harbinger took Control of Kenson, which I find it strange because I thought you needed Reaper tech in your body for them to assume Control over people/ their forces.

Anyways Harbinger is speaking through Kenson which is funny because you hear Kensons voice, but you hear an amplifed voice of Kenson, but as Harbinger. Oh crap somebody should check the files when Kenson is assumed Control by Harbinger, and isolate the sound files when Kenson again is being Control by Harbinger.

If they didn't uses Harbingers voice, then it could mean that the ending could be Harbinger Indoctrinating Shepard, and when Shepard refuses him, then the voice that Harbinger is useing to mask his voice amps, and boom.

Aw man, I love this turn of discussion because I think the Kenson and Arrival situation has so, so, so much to do with ME3 and it's just a shame that there couldn't be any blatant Arrival references in 3 because it was DLC... WTB canonized DLC, pl0x.

But anyway, your questions go along with my favorite part of Arrival...  I'm positive everyone here has seen it, but it's always worth a rewatching... Who... put... the images in Shep's brain? 

[Edit to Add: the fact that BW put a video of images of doom at the end of that massively long countdown suggests to me that no amount of speculation is too much speculation...]

Modifié par Krimzie, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Restrider]

Chorban DLC in the next months #IcalledIT

[Arashi08]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

When the Collector General was brought up earlier it got me thinking...wasn't the Collector General kinda useless and unnecessary for the game? Granted the General seemed to act as a middleman between Harbinger and the collectors, but ME3 kinda proves that the General was never even needed for that. Maybe people would've thought ME2 was more tied in witht he series if we had always known that Harbinger was a Reaper instead of that whole "what a twist" moment. It would have made it feel like the Reapers had more of a direct hand in the abductions instead fo feeling like the Reapers were just being quiet while the Collectors were doing the work. It might also have made the Arrival holoprojection make more sense imo.

It is useful as a figurehead. A representative that impresses and intimidates negotiation partners. Also it can be used as a central processor for all the Collectors without Harby spending much energy on it.
A headless army would just have looked like tons of husks without being as badass.

A good point, but the former seems to only have use in the comics, except for the badass part.  I suppose the General did make the Collector's seem like they were a faction that aided the Reapers rather than just husks, but that may be the problem that some people have because they just felt like they were working for the Reapers but the Reapers didn't have any direct involvement.  in ME1 Saren filled the same role in a way, but the difference is that Sovereign was actually there influencing events, and revealed itself much earlier than Harbinger did, AND took a direct role in the conflict.  That could be why to some people ME2 seemed somewhat...out of place in the series.

As to the latter, that does seem like the General's main use, but in ME3 MP Harbinger clearly doesn't need it, in fact, Harby's ability to control the Collectors seems even more widespread without the use of a General, or at least not the one from the Collector Base.  It is possible that Harbinger just has another General, but since we don't see any evidence of it in-game I can't be sure it exists or not.  Though it seems more likely to me that it doesn't sicne Apparently Reapers no loner have the same flaw that Sovereign had.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The crucible supposedly only came to starchild's attention several cycles ago, yet he knows who created it, and despite supposedly trying to eradicate it every cycle, it keeps popping back up. Then, even though starchild finds the crucible plans dangerous enough to eradicate, no move is made to stop it's construction. Only one Reaper is assigned to stop the attempt from reaching it, and he doesn't even try very hard at it, instead allowing the ONLY access point to activate it (which happens to be only 100m away from the controls on a 50km station) to be left unattended allowing Shepard and Anderson access, with only TIM in between. SOMETHING isn't right there

It makes sense if it's a trap, but then the whole war and the whole game was just Reapers toying with us.

Unless of course DD's idea turns out to be true, and one of the Reaper's tools is using terror and misinfomation to convince everybody that their army is much bigger and more powerful than we believe.  If so then the Crucible is actually (ironically) the oly way they can win, by drawing everybody together in one place to obliterate them all as calm, passive, docile cows, under their new leader, the indoctrinated Commander Shepard.

But then that means that BW sold us an incomplete game which can only be finished 1 year later (presumably whenever they release their final mission DLC), which I realise is what many of you want, but would be a bit of a strange thing to do, to repeatedly manupulate and lie to the fanbase.  However, if you guys are right, then maybe in Feb '13 or whenever they release the final reveal and conventional victory DLC, people won't care about that and will be eager to continue Shepard's story.

[Krimzie]

Davik Kang wrote...

...but would be a bit of a strange thing to do, to repeatedly manupulate and lie to the fanbase.  

If they're being meta, this is plausible. And based on the pre-release events (which I'm fuzzy on because I can't find any good write-ups about it), it wouldn't surprise me. Wasn't there a whole investigatory thing with numbers and Red Herrings and other such conspiracy theory stuff to explore? And they also had the whole social media integration thing going on with Twitter updates from in-game characters... they could be sort of revolutionary and relevant and play us all through social media. Indoctritwitter ftw.

[MegumiAzusa]

Arashi08 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

When the Collector General was brought up earlier it got me thinking...wasn't the Collector General kinda useless and unnecessary for the game? Granted the General seemed to act as a middleman between Harbinger and the collectors, but ME3 kinda proves that the General was never even needed for that. Maybe people would've thought ME2 was more tied in witht he series if we had always known that Harbinger was a Reaper instead of that whole "what a twist" moment. It would have made it feel like the Reapers had more of a direct hand in the abductions instead fo feeling like the Reapers were just being quiet while the Collectors were doing the work. It might also have made the Arrival holoprojection make more sense imo.

It is useful as a figurehead. A representative that impresses and intimidates negotiation partners. Also it can be used as a central processor for all the Collectors without Harby spending much energy on it.
A headless army would just have looked like tons of husks without being as badass.

A good point, but the former seems to only have use in the comics, except for the badass part.  I suppose the General did make the Collector's seem like they were a faction that aided the Reapers rather than just husks, but that may be the problem that some people have because they just felt like they were working for the Reapers but the Reapers didn't have any direct involvement.  in ME1 Saren filled the same role in a way, but the difference is that Sovereign was actually there influencing events, and revealed itself much earlier than Harbinger did, AND took a direct role in the conflict.  That could be why to some people ME2 seemed somewhat...out of place in the series.

As to the latter, that does seem like the General's main use, but in ME3 MP Harbinger clearly doesn't need it, in fact, Harby's ability to control the Collectors seems even more widespread without the use of a General, or at least not the one from the Collector Base.  It is possible that Harbinger just has another General, but since we don't see any evidence of it in-game I can't be sure it exists or not.  Though it seems more likely to me that it doesn't sicne Apparently Reapers no loner have the same flaw that Sovereign had.

Adding ME3 MP to it isn't a good way to argue. It's tailored for MP, each Collector unit has a timer after which they turn into possessed units. Also the fact that the Collector ship is flying to Earth which should be under siege by Reapers anyway doesn't make much sense in the first place.

[spotlessvoid]

Or even better, an ME3 expansion would be the awesomerest thing ever. The question though, is if the crucible is a trap in the sense that DD suggested, then what are the ending choices about? What's the point if it only does what the Reapers want? Shepard was already going to fire it. What's the whole charade for?

[masster blaster]

David, actually it makes sense if the Reapers are toying with us. They didn't take the Citadel like last time. Yes the I can see there is no point, but there is. Remember the Mass relay systems are inside the Citadel in other words they should have gone to the Citadel, and shut down the mass relays, which would lead the galaxy divided., yet they don't, and what's also funny it that they now have the Citadel, and all they have to do is shut down the relay, and the crucible can never get to Earth% the fleets. Sure FTL, but that's going to be a long time.

So I do believe the Reapers are toying with us I mean look at Earth gone within the first day. While the other races are putting up a fight. But then you see the Reapers are pushing them back slowly, but they are.

Oh and I just had an idea, what if we uses the citadel to summan all the Reapers into the sol system. And when they are all in we blow up the mass relay with the crucible. We sacrfice Earth to save the galaxy, now that would be epic. I mean sure we get everyone away from the sol system, but I can just see it.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 novembre 2012 - 08:02 .