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[demersel]

Hey, didn't Liara said at one point that she used GLYPH as a template for a software that is used in crucible???

[BansheeOwnage]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Let's assume for a minute that Harbinger IS the intelligence Leviathan spoke of, he's the one that all reapers have uploaded into them along with the cycles passed.

Is it possible that bringing down Harbinger will either greatly weaken the other reapers or perhaps kill them outright? Sure it seems farfetched but seeing if Harbinger IS the intelligence and is taken down, who knows what happens then.

Yeah, with the continuum of:

Nothing happens and All the reapers die

Anywhere in between is the most likely IMO.

[masster blaster]

You see if the crucible is a trap, I say Shepard, and the fleet's tell everyone to leave the sol system, and ram the Citadel into the Sol relay. And we use the crucible to weaken the Reapers in the sol stsem, and boom the we win, but the Normandy is being chased by Harbinger, and you see the Normandy fight Harbinger. If you didn't upgrade the Normandy, then well.. She doesn't make it.

If you did, well she and her crew go home. Earth may be gone, but we won, and now we can open a new story for the next ME game. The battle for Earth was the turning point in the war with the Reapers however The Normandy and her captin never came back after the battle. It's been 50 years since Harbinger the leader of the Reapers was killed, and the Reapers stoped the harvest, however........

The Leviathans soon gain Control over the rest of the Reaper fleet, and are now want to regain their lost empire. However the UGC United Galaxy Core created 10 years later after the battle of Earth . It's a combination of all the races, except..... ( depends on the Leader of the Krogan, and which races Shepard doomed) The UGC has a task force ready to stop the Leviathans. They are called N7.

Once an Alliance special force group, when the Reapers invaded the Milky way galaxy, Steven Hackett an Alliance adirmal that lead the attack on Earth allowed the other races that proved themselfs in the 1 Year war to join the N7 program. After the battle of Earth Hackett begin to build up the military to finish off the rest of the Reapers, and fearing that if a new threat arises the galaxy needed to be ready. Thus the N7 progam became the new right hand of UGC.

And don't worry the specter program is still around, but it's now are guards of the UGC.

In honor of Commander Shepard the first human specter, The best N7 soldier the Alliance ever had, The hero of the Citadel, and the man, or woman that stoped the Reapers. The UGC built a statue of Shepard on the new galatic space station. Now everyone in the galaxy can see the hero that saved them all.

Also in honor of the Normandy and it's crew. The N7 have a medal on each of them that say " Forever Normandy" around the Normandy the names of the crew/ squad Shepard had are on the medal, and Shepard's full name is inside the Normandy.

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Oh yes, definitely.  I'm not saying the Trapible is the answer, just that we can't beat them in a straight up fist-fight.  We need to find and exploit a weakness.  I still say that weakness is FTL projectiles BTW.

We should shoot them with FTL projectiles filled with infiltration suicide crews  - Geth dreadnought + derelict reaper style. 
And throw some asteroid at them at FTL speeds - that will just feel nice for a change. 

And yes, straight out fist fight with them is pointless. 

It wouldn't even need infiltrator crews or anything.  Light speed is 186,282 miles per second.  Being hit with a projectile at FTL speed would obliterate even a Reaper capital ship.  Also, even Reapers can't track objects moving at FTL.  So their shields would be useless since they can't anticipate the moment of impact.

[J.Carlos]

Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

[Davik Kang]

demersel wrote...
In ME1 we're working for the Council, and at the end there is an option to either help them, or not.
In ME2 we're working for Cerberus, and at the end there is an option to either help them or not. 
Who do we work for in ME3? I mean really? 
It would really make much sense if really in ME3 we;re working for the Reapers (ungkowingly), and that way at the end the is an option to either help them or not.

Good point.  Possible mentors to turn against are 

Alliance, Galactic races, Humanity, Reapers, Leviathan

or...

Shepard / ourselves...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Davik, the only thing off about that idea is refuse ending. The crucible is a trap, but refusing to use it gets you indoctrinated? I guess you could argue Shepard doesn't know it's a trap and that it still represents a failure of his will to fight, but refuse doesn't feel like giving up, especially to a Shepard/player who thinks the crucible is a trap once on the decision chamber. You could also argue it's from the EC, and therefore thrown in due to player outcry and wasn't as well thought through by the writers

True but then that's getting close to decribing my problems with IT so I'll leave that to you guys 

BleedingUranium wrote...
One of the ideas I had for a way we could win would be to go through the Citadel relay, to the Reapers' home, with either just the Normandy, or the entire Earth fleet. Given that relays must have a sender and receiver, and that they would need somewhere to dock the Collector Black Arks and house the Collectors, there has the be a base of some sort there, and evil Citadel... *snip*

This is very similar to what Revan did in KotOR, except that he picked Control (out of necessity).

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Hey, didn't Liara said at one point that she used GLYPH as a template for a software that is used in crucible???

Ogawdno.

Hey! Look at the top comment!  Weird coincidence; it was the first video I found.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[demersel]

Now let's thing back to ME1 - Sovereign used Saren (and dead saren at that) as his avatar! He controlled him directly though implants, and when we destroyed that avatar - he sort of died, at least enough for the fleet to destroy him.

Now, Harbinger tries to do the same with Shepard. So if we let him - all we have to do is to kill Shepard.

BTW, i bet if Saren was alive, when Sovereign took control of him, Saren's destruction would not be so bad on Sovereign himself - saren would serve as a buffer a bit.

[umadcommander]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Let's assume for a minute that Harbinger IS the intelligence Leviathan spoke of, he's the one that all reapers have uploaded into them along with the cycles passed.

Is it possible that bringing down Harbinger will either greatly weaken the other reapers or perhaps kill them outright? Sure it seems farfetched but seeing if Harbinger IS the intelligence and is taken down, who knows what happens then.

Releasing control 

[archangel1996]

BleedingUranium wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Let's assume for a minute that Harbinger IS the intelligence Leviathan spoke of, he's the one that all reapers have uploaded into them along with the cycles passed.

Is it possible that bringing down Harbinger will either greatly weaken the other reapers or perhaps kill them outright? Sure it seems farfetched but seeing if Harbinger IS the intelligence and is taken down, who knows what happens then.

Kill them, nah, but weaken them? I could definitely see that happening. I think breaking indoc will either weaken Harbinger or let us see some of his secrets, because a tangible effect would be nice.

I always thought that the key was Harbinger, cut off the head and the body will die. Maybe they will not die but they will became weak enough to destroy all of 'em

Modifié par archangel1996, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...
It wouldn't even need infiltrator crews or anything.  Light speed is 186,282 miles per second.  Being hit with a projectile at FTL speed would obliterate even a Reaper capital ship.  Also, even Reapers can't track objects moving at FTL.  So their shields would be useless since they can't anticipate the moment of impact.

Ok. But boarding geth crews are also great - they can get to the core and destroy directly, blowing the reaper from within. 

[BansheeOwnage]

J.Carlos wrote...

Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

I'm sorry, but



THIS IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST QUESTIONS EVER. OF ALL TIME.

Sorry, someone had to do it.

Bioware has (quite obviously) neither confirmed nor denied IT. Obviously. If they had, it would no longer be a theory...

Edit: Okay, maybe I was over the top. I apologize. Still, no.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[spotlessvoid]

The question is can we inflict enough damage conventionally to make the losses unacceptable to the Reapers, making them retreat from Earth? Are the Reapers willing to risk 30, 50, even 70% of their capital ships being destroyed to accomplish wiping out the fleets? What would the Reapers fall back plan be if they escaped with most of their fleet intact, but with ours as well? They can't really spread out without getting picked off by a unified fleet attacking them one location at a time. If they just regrouped elsewhere, they would still be facing the exact same scenario that plays out on earth: unacceptable losses. Or they could pull back temporarily, using indoctrination to disrupt and bring down leadership, fracturing the galaxy again before returning.

Hmmm

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
It wouldn't even need infiltrator crews or anything.  Light speed is 186,282 miles per second.  Being hit with a projectile at FTL speed would obliterate even a Reaper capital ship.  Also, even Reapers can't track objects moving at FTL.  So their shields would be useless since they can't anticipate the moment of impact.

Ok. But boarding geth crews are also great - they can get to the core and destroy directly, blowing the reaper from within. 

The krogan and turians actually did something like that.  On Palaven when the Reapers opened their doors to "negotiate peace" (aka indoctrinate leaders), the turian & krogan resistance sent in suicide infiltrators armed with various types of bombs.  Including nuclear ones.  After a little while, all those Reapers went boom from within.  Hilarious.  I love the codex.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The question is can we inflict enough damage conventionally to make the losses unacceptable to the Reapers, making them retreat from Earth? Are the Reapers willing to risk 30, 50, even 70% of their capital ships being destroyed to accomplish wiping out the fleets? What would the Reapers fall back plan be if they escaped with most of their fleet intact, but with ours as well? They can't really spread out without getting picked off by a unified fleet attacking them one location at a time. If they just regrouped elsewhere, they would still be facing the exact same scenario that plays out on earth: unacceptable losses. Or they could pull back temporarily, using indoctrination to disrupt and bring down leadership, fracturing the galaxy again before returning.

Hmmm

I doubt they'd even be willing to sacrifice 5% of them. I mean, they rarely even lose 1 per cycle! And they only make 1 per cycle! Let's throw out a random number of 1000 capital ships. So, now we've brought them back 50 cycles!

[umadcommander]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
It wouldn't even need infiltrator crews or anything.  Light speed is 186,282 miles per second.  Being hit with a projectile at FTL speed would obliterate even a Reaper capital ship.  Also, even Reapers can't track objects moving at FTL.  So their shields would be useless since they can't anticipate the moment of impact.

Ok. But boarding geth crews are also great - they can get to the core and destroy directly, blowing the reaper from within. 

The krogan and turians actually did something like that.  On Palaven when the Reapers opened their doors to "negotiate peace" (aka indoctrinate leaders), the turian & krogan resistance sent in suicide infiltrators armed with various types of bombs.  Including nuclear ones.  After a little while, all those Reapers went boom from within.  Hilarious.  I love the codex.

just a thought but shepard could try something similar with harbinger

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

The krogan and turians actually did something like that.  On Palaven when the Reapers opened their doors to "negotiate peace" (aka indoctrinate leaders), the turian & krogan resistance sent in suicide infiltrators armed with various types of bombs.  Including nuclear ones.  After a little while, all those Reapers went boom from within.  Hilarious.  I love the codex.

I know about that entry in the codex. That is exaclty my point. If it works, why can't we jut keep using it? Granted the reapers will not open their door now, but we just need to think of the way to bring infiltrator crew into them. 

Besides, we can throw huge asteroids on FTL speeds into planets that reapers are busy harvesting - (so we know there are a lot of reapers on them). 


I bet the explosion you get when throwing a couple dozens of asteroids of the size of the one of BDtS, into a planet at FTL speed will be a big one. 

Modifié par demersel, 24 novembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Bill Casey]

J.Carlos wrote...

Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

Bioware will not confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory...

[DJBare]

Bill Casey wrote...

J.Carlos wrote...
Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

Bioware will not confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory...

If it keeps people hanging on, it's working.
Wow, surprised to see this thread still active, *looks at first sentence I wrote*; nope, not surprised.

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

J.Carlos wrote...
Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

Bioware will not confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory...

If it keeps people hanging on, it's working.
Wow, surprised to see this thread still active, *looks at first sentence I wrote*; nope, not surprised.

Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while.

[demersel]

umadcommander wrote...

just a thought but shepard could try something similar with harbinger

Shepard needs to shoot Harbingers core dead with a predator pistol, and walk out of it alive to set an example - that would be a great end to ME3

[DJBare]

Rifneno wrote...
Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while.

For me, there was only so much that could be said on the topic, so I took a break, which turned out to be a good thing, found more interesting stuff out there.

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

J.Carlos wrote...

Can someone tell me if the Indoctrination Theory was confirmed by Bioware? Because i've never heard that they have confirmed it.

Bioware will not confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory...

I hope you meant that in the imperfect. It is almost inevitable they will say one way or another with ME4.

Hello DJBare.

Edit: Top!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 24 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

Oh boy... halo.wikia.com/wiki/Composer_%28artifact%29

*snip*

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interesting given that Didact is played by the same actor as Harbinger, and that I know at least one of the writers likes the ME3 ending, including Synthesis, and is aware of and I think likes the Indoctrination Theory.

Oh and the New Phoenix thing just reminds me of the rumored 'Rebirth' ME3 DLC that would be the 'big reveal'. It'll be all about Shepard and the galaxy rising from the ashes (metaphorically, after the battle we see in London).

Yeah, it's sooo similar  It's also worth noting that what the Librarian did to John was undo the de-evolution to Forerunners had done to humanity, so's the pinnacle of our species now.

Also, Halopedia is infinitely better than the Halo Wikia.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 24 novembre 2012 - 10:15 .