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[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


That's probably one of the best anti-refuse quotes ever. Sacrifices will have to be made to destroy the Reapers. Trying to save everyone is why a lot of people chose Control or Synthesis, and it's the same reason some pick Refuse.

Whether we can actually win conventionally doesn't matter, because this isn't happening. It's a test of what Shepard wants to do and what he's willing to sacrifice.

Banshee even you can't argue against this.

I will try.

1. Whether it is happening does matter, because Shepard thinks it's real.
2. Shepard thinks she can win in refuse. The issue of sarifice becomes less black and white. Shepard obviously knows they will take losses without the crucible, so does that not say Shepard is willing to sacrifice?

I'd say refuse is almost on par with destroy. Almost.

Yes why does Shepard doubt in Destroy. Because what a brat tells you/ shows you, and you believe him, which makes Shepard want to refuse because of words/ visons the brat show/tells Shepard. Also no his/her honor stays intact. he/she refuses to kill the Reapers all because the brat says this about Destroy.

Javik even says fear is the Reapers greatest weapon when he talks to liara after Thessia falls.

Also since the player can't kill the reapers in Destroy, if this is real, and if they continue from this point, with out IT, then it's going to be stupid. in all honest so the brat lied about Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. If I wanted to defeat the Reapers, I would just pick Destroy. It makes no sense why Bioware adds refuse if thteendings are as they are, unless it was for the fans that wanted to refuse the brat, and they thought okay we will cretae it. But don't you want to pick Destroy? I mean even Mike asked us what did you all think about Destroy? Did he say refuse, no. I see Bioware just not doing anything with refuse, unless IT wake up is in there.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:25 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Commander Casanova wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is Paragon-stupid, it's what Batman would pick. It's trying to take a moral highground in a situation you shouldn't.

Thank you. So much.

Being a good idea or not has no effect on what it is. I am not saying it's a good idea or not. I'm just saying we really don't have enough info to say if it could work in an IT reveal. And we won't because we don't know the future.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Commander Casanova wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is Paragon-stupid, it's what Batman would pick. It's trying to take a moral highground in a situation you shouldn't.

Thank you. So much.

Being a good idea or not has no effect on what it is. I am not saying it's a good idea or not. I'm just saying we really don't have enough info to say if it could work in an IT reveal. And we won't because we don't know the future.

IF it continues after Shepard sees the Alliance ship blows up, and Shepard doesn't wake up, then no it can't work. It's like again mixing Deception theory, with Puzzle Theory.  Do not go together, but if they add a breath scene to refuse, and continue through there, as well as Destroy, then I can see that.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


That's probably one of the best anti-refuse quotes ever. Sacrifices will have to be made to destroy the Reapers. Trying to save everyone is why a lot of people chose Control or Synthesis, and it's the same reason some pick Refuse.

Whether we can actually win conventionally doesn't matter, because this isn't happening. It's a test of what Shepard wants to do and what he's willing to sacrifice.

Banshee even you can't argue against this.

I will try.

1. Whether it is happening does matter, because Shepard thinks it's real.
2. Shepard thinks she can win in refuse. The issue of sarifice becomes less black and white. Shepard obviously knows they will take losses without the crucible, so does that not say Shepard is willing to sacrifice?

I'd say refuse is almost on par with destroy. Almost.

Yes why does Shepard doubt in Destroy. Because what a brat tells you/ shows you, and you believe him, which makes Shepard want to refuse because of words/ visons the brat show/tells Shepard. Also no his/her honor stays intact. he/she refuses to kill the Reapers all because the brat says this about Destroy.

Javik even says fear is the Reapers greatest weapon when he talks to liara after Thessia falls.

There is more to it than that. The whole point of refuse is rejecting the catalyst. Is that better than destroying it? No. But it's still good.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Commander Casanova wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is Paragon-stupid, it's what Batman would pick. It's trying to take a moral highground in a situation you shouldn't.

Thank you. So much.

Being a good idea or not has no effect on what it is. I am not saying it's a good idea or not. I'm just saying we really don't have enough info to say if it could work in an IT reveal. And we won't because we don't know the future.

IF it continues after Shepard sees the Alliance ship blows up, and Shepard doesn't wake up, then no it can't work. It's like again mixing Deception theory, with Puzzle Theory.  Do not go together, but if they add a breath scene to refuse, and continue through there, as well as Destroy, then I can see that.

That's what I'm saying. They can't have a breath scene now because it would prove IT. I'm saying it's still the wild card here. BW could do whatever they want with it in an IT reveal.

See you later.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[Home run MF]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Right, I think it went like this:
Shepard: "I have a better solution"
or
Kid: "I am prepared to hear your solution"

I really want to know what it was!

Voilà

And he's gone, lol. 

Modifié par Home run MF, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[AresKeith]

^ lol

Hi Home Run

[byne]

I like the new banner featuring Aria and Nyreen that you get for the weekend challenge.

[byne]

Commander Casanova wrote...

Refuse, as it stands right now, is the hubris ending. You are condemning the rest of the galaxy to certain death for your own pride and arrogance. As far as I'm concerned, it's no better than assuming control of the Reaper forces that were trying to annihilate you for five years or altering DNA without consent.

Worse, actually. You are doing nothing. You are taking a bow and exiting stage left when the galaxy needs your greatest performance.

At least, if literal, Shepard gets to live and see as the entire galaxy slowly gets harvested, and as she sees more and more planets fall, more and more lives ruined, families torn apart, friends turned against her, she'll know at the very end that at least she never had to get off her high horse.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Commander Casanova wrote...

Refuse, as it stands right now, is the hubris ending. You are condemning the rest of the galaxy to certain death for your own pride and arrogance. As far as I'm concerned, it's no better than assuming control of the Reaper forces that were trying to annihilate you for five years or altering DNA without consent.

Worse, actually. You are doing nothing. You are taking a bow and exiting stage left when the galaxy needs your greatest performance.

Okay that's definitely not where I thought you were going when you said taking a bow...because I totally connected that to bending over and taking the reapers despite all the trouble and sacrifices it took to bring as much of the galaxy together as possible. Whoops.

[Krimzie]

Home run MF wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Right, I think it went like this:
Shepard: "I have a better solution"
or
Kid: "I am prepared to hear your solution"

I really want to know what it was!

Voilà

And he's gone, lol. 

Oh good lord, the Catalyst has such a hard-on for Synthesis in these lines!

Destroy: I know you've thought about destroying us.... But we will not be the only ones who are destroyed.
Control: It is not the solution I would choose either. But I will accept it.
Synthesis: You must choose it. For all of us.

No wonder they changed them. 

But what's up with that "Have you not come to provide your own solution?" line? Is it common practice for members of the harvested cycles to barter with the construct? Heh.

Modifié par Krimzie, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[AresKeith]

@BBN that was towards Home Runs video , I can quote on my phone :/

[JMDekker2]

Succumbing to indoctrination = Synthesis (the paragon way), or Control (Renegade)
Overcoming Indoctrination = Refuse (Paragon), Destroy (Renegade)

Putting it very simply. The star brat is catering to both types of players, and refuse was only added so that exclusively paragon minded players would have an option to overcome indoctrination. That's a very simple take on it anyway.

Modifié par JMDekker2, 25 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[masster blaster]

JMDekker2 wrote...

Succumbing to indoctrination = Synthesis (the paragon way), or Control (Renegade)
Overcoming Indoctrination = Refuse (Paragon), Destroy (Renegade)

Putting it very simply. The star brat is catering to both types of players, and refuse was only added so that exclusively paragon minded players would have an option to overcome indoctrination. That's a very simple take on it anyway.

IF they add a breath scene to refuse, yes, if not then no.