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BleedingUranium wrote...

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If everyone's still talking about Chris' stupid post tomorrow, I'm putting some part of this pyramid in my sig Posted Image

Good god I hope not, at least not like earlier because I'd like to see people actually speculate what his post means for Omega dlc and future sp dlc with these elements from Leviathan (changing Catalyst's dialogue) likely to show up again. I really want to know what other story dlc they're planning now and I am terribly eager for some kind of leak or datamine to show up when Leviathan's released.


Agreed. We know it was made by Reapers, and we know Cerberus took it over for seemingly no reason. I want to know whyyyyyy Posted Image

Also, any ideas on those weird glowing bubble things in Leviathan, that are titled "Artifacts", are organic based, and can be shot?

I want to know what it's going to affect, dialogue with TIM maybe but when? Cerberus base in general? There are so many ways that can go until we get clear clues.

And I have actually seen that yet, where was it shown?

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Well your right Revan, but she acts childish sometimes.


There are grown men who act like children. It's not implausible. She's like....Hermione. Kind of.

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masster blaster wrote...

Well your right Revan, but she acts childish sometimes.


My Dad acts childish and he's 43.

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Gallifreya wrote...

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There is the Omega built by the Reapers thing I brought a couple days ago, but no one seems to care.:?


It looks like a giant transmitter. Like it was the leftovers of the Prothean version of the Crucible. Or a massive indoctrination device.


Well actually it's not speculation it's a fact, it is stated in the Retribution novel.


I've read that once. I don't remember that. =O


Do you remember when the Reapers take control of Grayson's body, he can't control what he does but they speak to him?
page 233

Retribution

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all bebore, of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.

The cycle continues. Each civilazation brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.

Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel.And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.


Italics are Reaper thoughs. 




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Gallif that was a joke. I don't have the right face expresions on my phone, so......

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
If everyone's still talking about Chris' stupid post tomorrow, I'm putting some part of this pyramid in my sig Posted Image

Good god I hope not, at least not like earlier because I'd like to see people actually speculate what his post means for Omega dlc and future sp dlc with these elements from Leviathan (changing Catalyst's dialogue) likely to show up again. I really want to know what other story dlc they're planning now and I am terribly eager for some kind of leak or datamine to show up when Leviathan's released.


Agreed. We know it was made by Reapers, and we know Cerberus took it over for seemingly no reason. I want to know whyyyyyy Posted Image

Also, any ideas on those weird glowing bubble things in Leviathan, that are titled "Artifacts", are organic based, and can be shot?

I want to know what it's going to affect, dialogue with TIM maybe but when? Cerberus base in general? There are so many ways that can go until we get clear clues.

And I have actually seen that yet, where was it shown?


Here No spoilers to speak of. Put it this way, the trailer had more spoilers that this, the leak had more spoilers than the trailer, and we still don't really know what's going on in the DLC Posted Image

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Home run MF wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

Home run MF wrote...
There is the Omega built by the Reapers thing I brought a couple days ago, but no one seems to care.:?


It looks like a giant transmitter. Like it was the leftovers of the Prothean version of the Crucible. Or a massive indoctrination device.


Well actually it's not speculation it's a fact, it is stated in the Retribution novel.


I've read that once. I don't remember that. =O


Do you remember when the Reapers take control of Grayson's body, he can't control what he does but they speak to him?
page 233

Retribution

He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all bebore, of course, but he almost felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes: taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.

The cycle continues. Each civilazation brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.

Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel.And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.


Italics are Reaper thoughs. 





Maybe the Reapers just have OCD Posted Image

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Home run MF wrote...

Do you remember when the Reapers take control of Grayson's body, he can't control what he does but they speak to him?

Doesn't that novel have mind-slave Grayson talking to someone in a similar way to the catalyst? I remember a thread about that ages ago.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Do you remember when the Reapers take control of Grayson's body, he can't control what he does but they speak to him?

Doesn't that novel have mind-slave Grayson talking to someone in a similar way to the catalyst? I remember a thread about that ages ago.


Isn't it Kahlee Sanders? She even starts to agree with it against her will during the conversation. Just by talking to it.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Do you remember when the Reapers take control of Grayson's body, he can't control what he does but they speak to him?

Doesn't that novel have mind-slave Grayson talking to someone in a similar way to the catalyst? I remember a thread about that ages ago.


Guess what it was? A Reaper.

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 So do you Masster...:whistle:

I tease. 

Anyway, since I seem to be having my midlife crisis at the age of 20 rather than 40, I've decided to try something new.

I've put my luxuriant locks up into a ponytail.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Anyway, since I seem to be having my midlife crisis at the age of 20 rather than 40, I've decided to try something new.

I've put my luxuriant locks up into a ponytail.

Well as long as you didn't run off with a woman fifteen years younger.

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Hey guys! Arian sent me a PM so here I am. I've been away since EC dropped. Busy playing, then busy thinking about it and then... RL took my time :P

How are things going around? What happened after EC? I've positioned myself in a middle ground. That is, Shepard wasn't indoctrinated but was fighting against indoctrination while things really happened around him.

What about the rest of you? I will lurk a little around but this thread is still impossible to analyze completely :D

Happy to see you again :)

Modifié par Corik, 05 août 2012 - 07:59 .


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So a few pages behind but I keep seeing people saying that IT doesn't need a post-ending DLC to reveal itself if all the DLCs contribute little pieces of evidence to the theory.

To that I have to say.. uh, how so?

If IT is true the final battle with the Reapers hasn't happened yet, the war isn't over. You guys are seriously ok with that MAJOR CLIFFHANGER so long as the other DLCS prove the theory? If we never get to see what Shepard does after waking up and have to imagine that.. then we are not getting a full story. We don't know how the war is won, we don't take back Earth.

I don't know about you but I'm not ok with not receiving the conclusion to the story. I want my freaking closure already.

Modifié par leonia42, 05 août 2012 - 07:59 .


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leonia42 wrote...

I don't know about you but I'm not ok with not receiving the conclusion to the story. I want my freaking closure already.

I don't know of anyone that is happy with a cliffhanger. We're just worried that's the direction Bioware is going.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anyway, since I seem to be having my midlife crisis at the age of 20 rather than 40, I've decided to try something new.

I've put my luxuriant locks up into a ponytail.

Well as long as you didn't run off with a woman fifteen years younger.


There is always Laria :P

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RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anyway, since I seem to be having my midlife crisis at the age of 20 rather than 40, I've decided to try something new.

I've put my luxuriant locks up into a ponytail.

Well as long as you didn't run off with a woman fifteen years younger.


Liara? Posted Image

Bah Posted Image

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leonia42 wrote...

So a few pages behind but I keep seeing people saying that IT doesn't need a post-ending DLC to reveal itself if all the DLCs contribute little pieces of evidence to the theory.

To that I have to say.. uh, how so?

If IT is true the final battle with the Reapers hasn't happened yet, the war isn't over. You guys are seriously ok with that MAJOR CLIFFHANGER so long as the other DLCS prove the theory? If we never get to see what Shepard does after waking up and have to imagine that.. then we are not getting a full story. We don't know how the war is won, we don't take back Earth.

I don't know about you but I'm not ok with not receiving the conclusion to the story. I want my freaking closure already.


I agree, but what's important to note is that, even if IT proves to be "true", we still may not get an ending. I, like you, would be unhappy, as would all here I imagine, but not ending the game would not change IT. They're two seperate things.

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What do you guys reckon you'll do when you finish Leviathan, play through the end-game again to see if there are any small changes? Are we going to do Cereberus HQ and Priority: Earth after each DLC looking for clues? That's going to get really old, really fast unless the changes are significant. Not sure if I'd want to keep replaying through that just for a glimmer of hope.

See, the literalist in me is quite happy with the conclusion as it is without IT because at least its a conclusion and the main conflict with the Reapers is resolved, in literary terms. It might not be the greatest way to end things but at least its an end (once and for all). IT implies the end hasn't happened yet and may never happen and that's something that just doesn't sit comfortable with me.

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leonia42 wrote...

So a few pages behind but I keep seeing people saying that IT doesn't need a post-ending DLC to reveal itself if all the DLCs contribute little pieces of evidence to the theory.

To that I have to say.. uh, how so?

If IT is true the final battle with the Reapers hasn't happened yet, the war isn't over. You guys are seriously ok with that MAJOR CLIFFHANGER so long as the other DLCS prove the theory? If we never get to see what Shepard does after waking up and have to imagine that.. then we are not getting a full story. We don't know how the war is won, we don't take back Earth.

I don't know about you but I'm not ok with not receiving the conclusion to the story. I want my freaking closure already.


If they wanted to really do a major cliffhanger, they'd make the last ME3 DLC the real ending to the game. That is if the war isn't over yet. If you think about it, ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so the final DLC of ME3 would be the actual end to that story, and the story arc of Commander Shepard.

Next thing after the last ME3 DLC would be the next story arc, whatever that may be. So I'm sure the real ending hasn't happened yet.

Modifié par magnetite, 05 août 2012 - 08:10 .


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Corik wrote...

Hey guys! Arian sent me a PM so here I am. I've been away since EC dropped. Busy playing, then busy thinking about it and then... RL took my time :P

How are things going around? What happened after EC? I've positioned myself in a middle ground. That is, Shepard wasn't indoctrinated but was fighting against indoctrination while things really happened around him.

What about the rest of you? I will lurk a little around but this thread is still impossible to analyze completely :D

Happy to see you again :)


Corik! Posted Image

The bolded part sounds like the TJ's Waking Nightmare Theory

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leonia42 wrote...

What do you guys reckon you'll do when you finish Leviathan, play through the end-game again to see if there are any small changes? Are we going to do Cereberus HQ and Priority: Earth after each DLC looking for clues? That's going to get really old, really fast unless the changes are significant. Not sure if I'd want to keep replaying through that just for a glimmer of hope.

See, the literalist in me is quite happy with the conclusion as it is without IT because at least its a conclusion and the main conflict with the Reapers is resolved, in literary terms. It might not be the greatest way to end things but at least its an end (one and for all). IT implies the end hasn't happened yet and may never happen and that's something that just doesn't sit comfortable with me.


Well we know it adds/changes dialogue with the kid, and I'd bet a lot of money it changes the dialogue in Kasumi's mission as well as with Balak, as those both had to do with the Leviathan.

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Right, but do you really think Bioware has designed the end-game to be replayed so many times? If they added new sequences altogether that'd be something, maybe new combat sections added each time but a few dialogue changes here or there doesn't seem like much.

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leonia42 wrote...

So a few pages behind but I keep seeing people saying that IT doesn't need a post-ending DLC to reveal itself if all the DLCs contribute little pieces of evidence to the theory.

To that I have to say.. uh, how so?

If IT is true the final battle with the Reapers hasn't happened yet, the war isn't over. You guys are seriously ok with that MAJOR CLIFFHANGER so long as the other DLCS prove the theory? If we never get to see what Shepard does after waking up and have to imagine that.. then we are not getting a full story. We don't know how the war is won, we don't take back Earth.

I don't know about you but I'm not ok with not receiving the conclusion to the story. I want my freaking closure already.


If they wanted to really do a major cliffhanger, they'd make the last ME3 DLC the real ending to the game. That is if the war isn't over yet. If you think about it, ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so the final DLC of ME3 would be the actual end to that story.


That's exactly what I think they'll do, add information the the game, mostly the end, through each DLC they do (we can expect more than ME2), and finish it off with the grand finale DLC, post breath scene.

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leonia42 wrote...


If IT is true the final battle with the Reapers hasn't happened yet, the war isn't over. You guys are seriously ok with that MAJOR CLIFFHANGER so long as the other DLCS prove the theory? If we never get to see what Shepard does after waking up and have to imagine that.. then we are not getting a full story. We don't know how the war is won, we don't take back Earth.


Look at my explanation or better said purpose of indoctrination ...

...Simply said it happened but in certain levels of reality...

But I agree it´s still empty space which missing closure.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 05 août 2012 - 08:11 .