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[spotlessvoid]

Lol. "IT IS FOR LOVERS"

Happy for the pair of you. Now get your butts back to work and start speculating. ; p

[spotlessvoid]

leonia42 wrote...

Well it's not like committing genocide is a new thing for Shepard..

And there's nothing that says synthetics couldn't be rebuilt and "live" again at some point in the future afterwards.

It's not genocide if it's batarians

[CmdrShep80]

Hey real quick, remind me why your squad can't go with you in Project Overlord when you meet David and he takes over your body?

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...


It's not genocide if it's batarians

That is the greatest thing that has ever been said.

[spotlessvoid]

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


It's not genocide if it's batarians

That is the greatest thing that has ever been said.

Round these parts that's called doing your job

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


It's not genocide if it's batarians

That is the greatest thing that has ever been said.

Round these parts that's called doing your job

A job is never complete 'till the Batarians take a few casualties.

[spotlessvoid]

You can build more synthetics if you really want them around Jade.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

As for other synthetics. Just because we don't know every.single.synthetic in the entire Milky Way galaxy doesn't mean they don't exist. We didn't know what a Vorcha was until ME2, but did they exist in ME1? Of course, we just didn't see them.

In the same way we encountered the rogue A.I on the citadel in ME1, and the 'peaceful' Geth in ME2, just because we don't know about them, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I guess the thing is, that despite my Shepard always sticking up for synthetics across all three games, I'm ok with sacrificing them if it gets rid of the Reapers.

Well that's where we're different, If it was just the Geth? Or just the Geth and EDI? I'd be okay with that...

But ALL synthetic life? No...

that's not like commiting genocide on Asian people, or African people, or English people. It's like commiting genocide on all humans.

It's not like commiting genocide on ants, or grass hoppers. It's commiting genocide on all insects.

No way. And if this cycle is soo different from any other cycle, then maybe we'd already established peace with synthetics (ala Rannoch and EDI). So wiping all that out would just reset the possiblity of it all restarting..

But why do you believe the "catalyst"?

He's just saying that to sway you.

He reads your mind, and learns you want to use the crucible to destroy them.

So he says 'a lot of your friends will die lol'.

You want to be a military leader, you're going to have to make the tough choices.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

[spotlessvoid]

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...


It's not genocide if it's batarians

That is the greatest thing that has ever been said.

Round these parts that's called doing your job

A job is never complete 'till the Batarians are all casualties.

Fixed

[BleedingUranium]

Salient Archer wrote...

The most controversial thing to ever happen in the Mass Effect universe... yes that's correct; more controversial than the refuse option that everyone is still debating over after all this time... what is it you may ask?

BSN and longtime Indoctrination theorists Salient Archer and Starbuck8 are now an item!

So if anyone had been wondering why we were so quiet of late; it's because we've been "busy" doing other things.

This may be the single greatest thing to come out of this thread! Congrats guys!

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

The most controversial thing to ever happen in the Mass Effect universe... yes that's correct; more controversial than the refuse option that everyone is still debating over after all this time... what is it you may ask?

BSN and longtime Indoctrination theorists Salient Archer and Starbuck8 are now an item!

So if anyone had been wondering why we were so quiet of late; it's because we've been "busy" doing other things.

This may be the single greatest thing to come out of this thread! Congrats guys!

I was wondering where you disappeared to

Grats to you both, and good to see you again.

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

You can build more synthetics if you really want them around Jade.

Because of the Breath scene (in literal), Shepards synthetics were obviously not targeted. Seeing as that breath couldn't happen if they were- Shepard would be dead. Why wouldn't other synthetics still be functional if Shepard's are?

[BleedingUranium]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But why do you believe the "catalyst"?

He's just saying that to sway you.

He reads your mind, and learns you want to use the crucible to destroy them.

So he says 'a lot of your friends will die lol'.

You want to be a military leader, you're going to have to make the tough choices.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

That's an excellent summary

[Jadebaby]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But why do you believe the "catalyst"?

He's just saying that to sway you.

He reads your mind, and learns you want to use the crucible to destroy them.

So he says 'a lot of your friends will die lol'.

You want to be a military leader, you're going to have to make the tough choices.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

Oh if the Catalyst is such a dirty scoundrel, why even give you the option to destroy them?

It's not about *friend's dying*, it's about genocide to an entire way of life.

And as for your quote  lol... The hardest choice out of all the 4 endings is refuse lol. Because you're going on your own whim and saying "i believe in myself enough that I can beat you without your game."

It's not that hard to choose destroy, just walk up the ramp and shoot the pillar. You don't even see synthetics die (apart from the Reapers). So you can just be ignorant of the consequences. Refuse is a much harder choice.

[byne]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But why do you believe the "catalyst"?

He's just saying that to sway you.

He reads your mind, and learns you want to use the crucible to destroy them.

So he says 'a lot of your friends will die lol'.

You want to be a military leader, you're going to have to make the tough choices.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

Oh if the Catalyst is such a dirty scoundrel, why even give you the option to destroy them?

It's not about *friend's dying*, it's about genocide to an entire way of life.

And as for your quote  lol... The hardest choice out of all the 4 endings is refuse lol. Because you're going on your own whim and saying "i believe in myself enough that I can beat you without your game."

It's not that hard to choose destroy, just walk up the ramp and shoot the pillar. You don't even see synthetics die (apart from the Reapers). So you can just be ignorant of the consequences. Refuse is a much harder choice.

Refuse is a choice in the way bald is a hair color.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Oh if the Catalyst is such a dirty scoundrel, why even give you the option to destroy them?

He doesn't.

The destroy option is there because it is a defense mechanism of Shepard's brain. It's Shepard's will to destroy the Reapers, it's on his mind, the "catalyst" can't just make that go away. It's Shepard's struggle, a physical, violent reaction to the indoctrination attempt.

We always suspected this, but recently, the EDI destroy analogy provided support for that idea.

Of course, there's no way to know if the analogy is correct. Still, it is in line with what most of us thought. (Except for the part where Shepard ends up partially indoctrinated in destroy - but other analogies consistently seem to point out that control and synthesis scenarios are complete game overs, so.... it's still the best outcome.)

[gunslinger_ruiz]

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

[Xellith]

Refuse can technically be interpreted as a conventional victory if you ignore the fact the reapers are mean.

Liara sends her beacons out.
Final battle starts.
Reapers lose
Several thousand years later one of her beacons activates.
Her beacon is sent to a museum.

[Jadebaby]

byne wrote...

Refuse is a choice in the way bald is a hair color.

And it still makes more sense than this post.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Xellith wrote...

Refuse can technically be interpreted as a conventional victory if you ignore the fact the reapers are mean.

Liara sends her beacons out.
Final battle starts.
Reapers lose
Several thousand years later one of her beacons activates.
Her beacon is sent to a museum.

Conventional victory against the reapers, So Far, has been seen as an impossible objective. There's simply too many of them, and not enough of us to hammer them back into dark space.

[byne]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

byne wrote...

Refuse is a choice in the way bald is a hair color.

And it still makes more sense than this post.

To be fair, thats not  saying much

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
If its in Shepard's mind, its not a Reaper game. It's the Reapers having to play YOUR game, because you're SO resiliant that they actually have to appear as a small child in order to even begin to break down your/Shepard's resiliance.

If it was up to, say, Harbinger, Destroy wouldn't even be an option.

Yeah that's pretty clever, that does make a lot of sense in the standard IT interpretation.