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Salient Archer wrote...

The most controversial thing to ever happen in the Mass Effect universe... yes that's correct; more controversial than the refuse option that everyone is still debating over after all this time... what is it you may ask?

BSN and longtime Indoctrination theorists Salient Archer and Starbuck8 are now an item!

So if anyone had been wondering why we were so quiet of late; it's because we've been "busy" doing other things.

Good to see your archer, and we have been very speculative for teh past 3 days.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:32 .

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

The most controversial thing to ever happen in the Mass Effect universe... yes that's correct; more controversial than the refuse option that everyone is still debating over after all this time... what is it you may ask?

BSN and longtime Indoctrination theorists Salient Archer and Starbuck8 are now an item!

So if anyone had been wondering why we were so quiet of late; it's because we've been "busy" doing other things.

This may be the single greatest thing to come out of this thread! Congrats guys!

I was wondering where you disappeared to

Grats to you both, and good to see you again.

Man tears. Great and now your going to tell me Arian, and rosewind have been seeing eachother. man I feel like Sarge.


WHAT you, and her. I didn't see that coming.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...


Man tears. Great and now your going to tell me Arian, and rosewind have been seeing eachother. man I feel like Sarge.


WHAT you, and here. I didn't see that coming.

I dont see how the current situation is in any way similar to anything that has ever happened to Sarge.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Man tears. Great and now your going to tell me Arian, and rosewind have been seeing eachother. man I feel like Sarge.


WHAT you, and here. I didn't see that coming.

I dont see how the current situation is in any way similar to anything that has ever happened to Sarge.

No, but when Sarge get's emotional.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

You don't have be male to be a bro, bro. But now I'm getting off topic, enough of that.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

You don't have be male to be a bro, bro. But now I'm getting off topic, enough of that.

true, but ya let's leave it at that. today is a good day. old friends came back to the thread, and Starbuck, and Archer are together. :wub:

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Restrider wrote...

----------Preamble----------

This list has been compiled to enable an easy access to The Indoctrination Theory. While there are many other aspects, hints and signs throughout Mass Effect 3 and the entire trilogy that may also point to The Indoctrination Theory, the concepts presented in this list are - to the best of my knowledge - the most compelling ones. Take into account that my role in this undertaking was mainly the role of an editor, though many broader suggestions I found to be convincing, made it into the list. The vast majority of the points listed below were reported by fellow associates of The Indoctrination Theory and they deserve the correspondent gratitude.
The order of the list was determined through surveys and polls that can be found here.

----------The Ten Most Important Concepts Supporting The Indoctrination Theory----------

     
        I) Indoctrination in general :

          1.   Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.
          2.   The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1 and 2).
          3.   Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.
          4.   Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.
          5.   Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.
          6.   Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.
          7.   Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).

 
       II) The Breath Scene :

          1.   London rubble.
          2.   Mako in the background.
          3.   Citadel explosion (link 1 and 2).


    III) The Dreams :
         
          1.   Dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics.
          2.   Reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus).
          3.   Oily shadows and whispering.
          4.   Nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated.
          5.   Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams.


    IV) Leviathan :

          1.   Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination.
          2.   Enthrallment uses memories of its victim.
          3.   Similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber.
          4.   Zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2).
          5.   Note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab.


     V) The Choices :

          1.   Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control.
          2.   The Guardian is aligned to the Reapers.
          3.   Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters.
          4.   A swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade).
          5.   Huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes.
          6.   Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!").
          7.   Decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view.
          8.   Decision chamber resembling beam scenery (link 1 and 2).
          9.   Ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis).
        10.   Slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened.
        11.   Soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (note: no cheering in Synthesis).


    VI) The Kid :

         1.   Moves from one roof to another during an invasion (all links).
         2.   It can open a door that is marked as locked.
         3.   It survives a blast from a Reaper laser.
         4.   It is not seen by anyone else.
         5.   There always are warning symbols around it.
         6.   It disappears without making any noise.
         7.   It does not behave like a normal kid ("You cannot save me!").
         8.   The Guardian has the same form as the kid.


   VII) Anderson & TIM :

         1.   How did Anderson follow Shepard?
         2.   How can Anderson reach the control first?
         3.   Why did no one else follow Anderson?
         4.   From where did TIM shows up?
         5.   TIM's scars are only present at the end of the game.
         6.   Anderson may be addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!").
         7.   Shepard is dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers.
         8.   Anderson and Shepard have wounds at the same place (link 1 and 2).
         9.   Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed).


  VIII) The Guardian :

         1.   It has the same shape as the kid ( thus an extraction of Shepard's memories).
         2.   It speaks with femshep's and maleshep's voice.
         3.   Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2).


    IX) The Beam Run :

        1.   Harbinger is pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard.
        2.   Harbinger does not destroy the Normandy.
        3.   Shepard survives a blast that should one-shot Makos and Gunships.
        4.   Harbinger just leaves.


     X) The Citadel :

        1.   The Citadel resembles events of the past.
        2.   You can find Coats dead on the Citadel.
        3.   The illumination without a specific source.

----------Epilogue----------

I would again like to thank everyone that has contributed to this list and if only a single person gains a broader perspective of The Indoctrination Theory through this list, the porpuse of this undertaking has been fulfilled and not in vain. This list may seem to be complete, but there are certainly going to be new discoveries in the course of exploring new content and I will try to adjust this list accordingly.


Version 1.0  (23.10.2012)

here you go Archer. You missed this.

[Gwyphon]

byne wrote...
Refuse is a choice in the way bald is a hair color.

 Awesome.

[byne]

I guess Jade got tired of arguing and went to play Hitman. For what its worth Jade, I respect your need to save everyone. I dont think its doable, but it shows you're about as paragon as it could possibly get. And thats a good thing.

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byne wrote...

I guess Jade got tired of arguing and went to play Hitman. For what its worth Jade, I respect your need to save everyone. I dont think its doable, but it shows you're about as paragon as it could possibly get. And thats a good thing.

The only thing that will make me play refuse, is a breath scene. That's about it.

[Bill Casey]

OH ****, IT'S THE SYNTHESIS WAVE!!!



RUUUUUUUUUN!!!


















NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:43 .

[masster blaster]

Bill Casey wrote...

OH ****, IT'S THE SYNTHESIS WAVE!!!



RUUUUUUUUUN!!!


















NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

bill.

[masster blaster]

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

Nope.

wait you have a boyfriend and, oh.... I always thought you were a woman.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:54 .

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

Nope.

wait you have a boyfriend and, oh.... I always thought you were a woman.

>Click profile
>Gender: Male

These things arent hard, masster

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

Nope.

wait you have a boyfriend and, oh.... I always thought you were a woman.

>Click profile
>Gender: Male

These things arent hard, masster

i don't check people's profiles because I don't want to.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

Nope.

wait you have a boyfriend and, oh.... I always thought you were a woman.

>Click profile
>Gender: Male

These things arent hard, masster

i don't check people's profiles because I don't want to.

Well then dont be so surprised when you get people's genders wrong!

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LOL @ SwobyJ
You made me choke on my drink, nice one bro XD

he is a she.

Nope.

wait you have a boyfriend and, oh.... I always thought you were a woman.

>Click profile
>Gender: Male

These things arent hard, masster

i don't check people's profiles because I don't want to.

Well then dont be so surprised when you get people's genders wrong!

I will check  next time. Never mind.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[masster blaster]

byne do you see us ITer as Templar's, or Assassins?

"The Anti-Canon Ending Movement
" This is a thread on the MP thread?

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

byne do you see us ITer as Templar's, or Assassins?

The assassins fight for freedom, the templars fight for control. Do you even need to ask?

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne do you see us ITer as Templar's, or Assassins?

The assassins fight for freedom, the templars fight for control. Do you even need to ask?

Destroyers= Assassins
Controlers= Templars
Synthesisers= the gods


Also Chris: Get this topic back on topic please. If not, it will get closed and people found to be off topic will be banned.

So I guess Chris does read this thread, but I wonder why Bioware cares about IT. I mean it's not real right, but mabye they are considering IT as a  What if we....

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[CmdrShep80]

@maaster, I did the same thing, don't worry about it

[masster blaster]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@maaster, I did the same thing, don't worry about it

Ya I know. I am just glad we are all friends.


Edit top.





IF you notice in the picture.

Garrus is on the left side of Shepard. He is wearing blue. Saren is in the middle/top above Shepard
Ash is on the right side of Shepard/ so is the Geth.
oh and Nazara is on Garrus left side to.

so it's

Garrus/nazara= Control

Saren= Synthesis

Ash/ the Geth= Destroy.

well Garrus isn't evil, but he is wearing blue.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

I guess Jade got tired of arguing and went to play Hitman. For what its worth Jade, I respect your need to save everyone. I dont think its doable, but it shows you're about as paragon as it could possibly get. And thats a good thing.

+1 - I tried to save everyone too...then I lost, Thane...then Mordin...then Legion....in the end...it was just too much, I jumped into the pit of dispair called synthesis for them all to be alive again and for it all to be better again