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[CmdrShep80]

masster blaster wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@maaster, I did the same thing, don't worry about it

Ya I know. I am just glad we are all friends.


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[TheConstantOne]

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure we can even say all synthetic life will be targeted in the EC Destroy ending. The Catalyst still paints the whole scenario as the "everyone loses" option butwhen questioned will state that there will be losses but nothing more than has already been lost.

I don't know about all of you but losing all allied synthetic life seems like more than has been lost in the war so far. No I don't trust the Reaper overlord in the slightest but the choices as presented indicate that, yes, many geth might die from the Crucible, but there will be survivors. It isn't an ideal solution but it is the only tractable one we have. Conventionally, the Reapers CAN'T be defeated. We know this. Their fleet at Earth is proving a match for all of our allied fleets and it is but a FRACTION of the Reaper fleet. Even if we won the battle for Earth conventionally, our forces would be far too depleted to stand any hope of defeating the remaining Reapers. It is for that reason that I cannot personally view Refuse as a viable alternative to Destroy

[Gwyphon]

 
FRIENDS!
Just accepted Masster's friend request coincidentally enough. Didn't even know the forums had that. 

[masster blaster]

TheConstantOne wrote...

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure we can even say all synthetic life will be targeted in the EC Destroy ending. The Catalyst still paints the whole scenario as the "everyone loses" option butwhen questioned will state that there will be losses but nothing more than has already been lost.

I don't know about all of you but losing all allied synthetic life seems like more than has been lost in the war so far. No I don't trust the Reaper overlord in the slightest but the choices as presented indicate that, yes, many geth might die from the Crucible, but there will be survivors. It isn't an ideal solution but it is the only tractable one we have. Conventionally, the Reapers CAN'T be defeated. We know this. Their fleet at Earth is proving a match for all of our allied fleets and it is but a FRACTION of the Reaper fleet. Even if we won the battle for Earth conventionally, our forces would be far too depleted to stand any hope of defeating the remaining Reapers. It is for that reason that I cannot personally view Refuse as a viable alternative to Destroy

true, but that's if you believe the Catalyst. I say about 99.9% of what he says is bs, and the.1%  is more bs, but Shepard has changed everything for the Reapers.

[masster blaster]

Gwyphon wrote...

 
FRIENDS!
Just accepted Masster's friend request coincidentally enough. Didn't even know the forums had that. 

Out of all the character you could have pick it had to be this 1. Well it could have been worse. But the spong is okay, although it got very weird as each epsiode aried.

But yes friends to the end.

Modifié par masster blaster, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[CmdrShep80]

TheConstantOne wrote...

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure we can even say all synthetic life will be targeted in the EC Destroy ending. The Catalyst still paints the whole scenario as the "everyone loses" option butwhen questioned will state that there will be losses but nothing more than has already been lost.

I don't know about all of you but losing all allied synthetic life seems like more than has been lost in the war so far. No I don't trust the Reaper overlord in the slightest but the choices as presented indicate that, yes, many geth might die from the Crucible, but there will be survivors. It isn't an ideal solution but it is the only tractable one we have. Conventionally, the Reapers CAN'T be defeated. We know this. Their fleet at Earth is proving a match for all of our allied fleets and it is but a FRACTION of the Reaper fleet. Even if we won the battle for Earth conventionally, our forces would be far too depleted to stand any hope of defeating the remaining Reapers. It is for that reason that I cannot personally view Refuse as a viable alternative to Destroy

The starkid actually does say something in the lines.  I missed it on my first playthrough but caught it when I was retyping the lines to demonstrate a point.  Under destroy the starkid says:


Starkid- The Crucible changed me. Created new…possibilities but I can’t make them happen. If there is to be a new solution, you must act. It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
Shepard –What exactly will happen?
Starkid- Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

[Gwyphon]

Judge me if you will but I kind of still enjoy spongebob. 20 year childhood!

On the note of losses, pretty much every squad mate has said something along the lines of "Even if there's one person left this will all be worth it." If you had your squad up there in the decision chamber I guarantee 90% of people would have picked destroy.

[TheConstantOne]

Also, I do have some new speculation regarding the Reapers and their leader, the Intelligence. It occurred to me a few days ago that the Reapers, as powerful and intelligent as they are, are nothing more than Leviathan husks. Harbinger may be the only *true* Leviathan husk as he is made directly from Levi genetic material, but other races genetics are harnessed to create husks in Harbinger's image, likely due to the usefulness of the Harbinger's powers.

This being said, the ME lore seems to suggest that all husks are influence by a control signal. This extends from the facts that we see Reaper ships controlling lesser husks through signals emanating from Reaper artifacts (or from Reapers themselves) and that Cerberus finds a way to create a control signal to direct husks. TIM seems to have similar logic to what I'm suggesting as he believes a sufficiently powerful control signal can control Reaper vessels directly.

The point of my stating all this is that I believe that should a method be found that disrupts this control signal, the Reapers will cease functioning. The Intelligence must be destroyed. If it is, I think the Reapers would be disabled as well. The problem is that we have no clue where the Intelligence actually resides. This might be how the Crucible actually functions: it broadcasts a signal that corrupts the Intelligence's control signal and the Reapers shut down and die without their leader. Just like indoctrinated servants waste away without any direction from their masters.

IF the Intelligence is not destroyed with the Crucible and it is only his control signal that is destroyed...then we have a serious problem. The Intelligence might survive the end of ME 3's Destroy ending and could potentially return to cause problems in future ME games.

Sorry if all of this is somewhat incoherent. I'm about to call it a night and I am pretty tired from my Thanksgiving festivities. But I wanted to jump in and throw a new piece of speculation out here. I fully hope to see this thread full to bursting with new thoughts once Omega comes out

[CmdrShep80]

There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.
That line is the weird part of what the starkid says.  No matter what context you put it in, you still end up with the same weird context:
For example putting it in any of the previous sentences context, it makes it seem like you lose absolutely nothing but what you've lost so far getting to the end of ME3:

It is now in your power to destroy us.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

But be warned, others will be destroyed as well.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

The Crucible will not discriminate.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage.
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[lex0r11]

[CmdrShep80]

Gwyphon wrote...

Judge me if you will but I kind of still enjoy spongebob. 20 year childhood!

On the note of losses, pretty much every squad mate has said something along the lines of "Even if there's one person left this will all be worth it." If you had your squad up there in the decision chamber I guarantee 90% of people would have picked destroy.

No 90% of them would have said their classic lines then chosen destroy LMAO

[TheConstantOne]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure we can even say all synthetic life will be targeted in the EC Destroy ending. The Catalyst still paints the whole scenario as the "everyone loses" option butwhen questioned will state that there will be losses but nothing more than has already been lost.

I don't know about all of you but losing all allied synthetic life seems like more than has been lost in the war so far. No I don't trust the Reaper overlord in the slightest but the choices as presented indicate that, yes, many geth might die from the Crucible, but there will be survivors. It isn't an ideal solution but it is the only tractable one we have. Conventionally, the Reapers CAN'T be defeated. We know this. Their fleet at Earth is proving a match for all of our allied fleets and it is but a FRACTION of the Reaper fleet. Even if we won the battle for Earth conventionally, our forces would be far too depleted to stand any hope of defeating the remaining Reapers. It is for that reason that I cannot personally view Refuse as a viable alternative to Destroy

The starkid actually does say something in the lines.  I missed it on my first playthrough but caught it when I was retyping the lines to demonstrate a point.  Under destroy the starkid says:


Starkid- The Crucible changed me. Created new…possibilities but I can’t make them happen. If there is to be a new solution, you must act. It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
Shepard –What exactly will happen?
Starkid- Your crucible device appears to be largely intact however, the effects from the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be affected but those who survive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

Yeah, the synthetics will be targeted.  But it is the "no more than has already been lost" part that makes me wonder how many synthetics will die from the Crucible wave.  The Catalyst suggests some will, definitely, but all?  All of the geth being wiped out would classify as more than has been presently lost in my opinion

[CmdrShep80]

lex0r11 wrote...

Now THAT is adorable!

[FFZero]

Speaking of squad mates, do you think any of them would’ve chosen anything other than destroy?

[TheConstantOne]

masster blaster wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure we can even say all synthetic life will be targeted in the EC Destroy ending. The Catalyst still paints the whole scenario as the "everyone loses" option butwhen questioned will state that there will be losses but nothing more than has already been lost.

I don't know about all of you but losing all allied synthetic life seems like more than has been lost in the war so far. No I don't trust the Reaper overlord in the slightest but the choices as presented indicate that, yes, many geth might die from the Crucible, but there will be survivors. It isn't an ideal solution but it is the only tractable one we have. Conventionally, the Reapers CAN'T be defeated. We know this. Their fleet at Earth is proving a match for all of our allied fleets and it is but a FRACTION of the Reaper fleet. Even if we won the battle for Earth conventionally, our forces would be far too depleted to stand any hope of defeating the remaining Reapers. It is for that reason that I cannot personally view Refuse as a viable alternative to Destroy

true, but that's if you believe the Catalyst. I say about 99.9% of what he says is bs, and the.1%  is more bs, but Shepard has changed everything for the Reapers.

Very true masster but I'm speaking from the point of view of a Shepard who doesn't trust the Catalyst aka Reaper overlord but also doesn't know how much of what is being said is true.  I'm trying to analyze the decision in terms of the information we are presented with at the decision moment, ignoring all of our IT analysis

[masster blaster]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now THAT is adorable!

+1

[CmdrShep80]

FFZero wrote...

Speaking of squad mates, do you think any of them would’ve chosen anything other than destroy?

Good question.  It would be interesting (cue Restrider here) to see a poll on our squadmates' decisions. 

[Gwyphon]

FFZero wrote...

Speaking of squad mates, do you think any of them would’ve chosen anything other than destroy?

I'd probably say no. Who's video was it that classed all the characters under either destroy, control or synthesis? It ended up being only reapers or reaper pawns under control and synthesis.

[CmdrShep80]

Here's two Omega questions:

1)  Are we still in the Omega system?  I say yes:



2)  What are we analyzing here?

[FFZero]

Well I think it’s safe to say both Garrus and Javik are firmly in the Destroy camp. EDI too probably, though I wonder if she would go for Control if offered. The others I don’t really know, most likely they’d all go for destroy, though I could see some of them potentially being lured by Synthesis.

[byne]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Here's two Omega questions:

2)  What are we analyzing here?

I'd say probably a Cerberus dreadnought.

[byne]

Well, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow.

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Modifié par byne, 25 novembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Davik Kang]

CmdrShep80 wrote...
There will still be losses but no more than what has already been lost.

I think this line is really odd.  There are a number of reasons why it might have been added, but I'm not sure which one is correct (maybe more than one, or something else)

- it replaced the line "you can kill all of the Geth if you want" didn't it?  Did this line still run if you'd sided with the Quarians on Rannoch?  If so, this dialogue change might have just been a fix to make a line that still made sense regardless of the Rannoch decision.

- he says there will still be losses... could the comment really be so empty as to simply mean the losses accrued in the battle?  Surely there must be at least some additional losses

- given that the relays will be destroyed regardless, could he mean losses of those who suffer as a consequence of the temporary failure of things like spaceships, facilities etc?

- the line only occurs with a sufficiently high EMS score, meaning that it does differentiate the level of damage caused by the Crucible when it is "mostly intact".  But if there really is little collateral damage, then there is little to dissuade us from picking it.  

It does seem to arguably imply that High EMS Destroy has no real drawbacks.  However, the endings also imply that EDI and the Geth do not survive the Destroy ending.  Moreover, with little drawback to the Destroy choice, where does the moral conundrum come in?  Is it just a case of BW conceding to fan pressure, and putting in a more uplifting ending?  Can we accept that the vague threats of the Child are enough to make the final choice difficult?  I admit that I assumed death of synthetics would occur, even though it is not stated, and even though I never played it pre-EC.

Yet another thing left open it would seem...