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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Andromidius

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Officially confirming there's more DLC to come after Omega? That's fitting into the pattern suggested a while back.

And all the writers? Might be good then. We'll see.

As for the Reapers not being as strong as we thought, its possible. While they are undoubtably very powerful, they might well be throwing everything they've got at the Galaxy. No reserves, no backup plan, all or nothing. The fact they've already taken losses, something they rarely suffer, also fits into that concept.

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The reaction to all writers jumping on board to write a DLC seems less than positive overall.

http://social.biowar...ndex/15030476/3

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estebanus wrote...

Has an Omega trailer been released yet?


No.

Still.

Waiting.

*ticktock*

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@ TSA: You might want to check out Eden Prime Datapads Clues and EDI destroy ending analogy.

#icalledIT

Mass Effect 4 will be a direct sequel to Mass Effect 3. The war isn't over. The story will continue where we thought it ended. And we will play as Shepard.

*continues single player playthrough*

lmao - this game is just completely full of foreshadowing. It's one analogy after the other.

Private Campbell: "When this war is over, I hope we find every race that sat back while we bled, and get some payback."

Private Westmoreland: "That's a great plan... follow war with more war."


Mass Effect 4! :wizard:

Get a load of this one. NICE ending foreshadowing.

Shepard: "You know, there are views like that on the Citadel. Next time we're there, you should take some shore leave. Clear your head."
Steve Cortez: "I don't know. Maybe."
Shepard: "Take some time off on the Citadel, Steve. Do it as a favour to me."
Steve: "If you put it that way, how can I say no?"
Shepard: "You can't."


Check this one. (This applies to what we were discussing earlier)

Javik: "Only the foolish mourn the loss of innocence. It is inevitable. The galaxy has never rewarded the naive."

This seems to completely foreshadow the naivety of the control/synthesis options, where you decide to trust the Reapers so you can save everyone. At some point it will be revealed to be a trap that people fell for (loss of innocence), which is not something that should be seen as deplorable. A naive course of action shouldn't be rewarded.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:54 .


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Eh, the next game not being a direct sequel is one of the few things they're very firm on. I know they lie, but I doubt it about this.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The reaction to all writers jumping on board to write a DLC seems less than positive overall.

http://social.biowar...ndex/15030476/3


Hmpph

I think Bioware could anounce a new free single player DLC featuring new romance scenes for every romance option and some people would still complain.

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@Raven

I know, I know.

Have you seen the Eden Prime datapads?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:55 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

Eh, the next game not being a direct sequel is one of the few things they're very firm on. I know they lie, but I doubt it about this.

Maybe, but if it was they wouldn't admit to it anyways.

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I'm just calling it now. Call me crazy, but I've seen enough hints. ALL that dialogue with 4th wall breaking dual layers, it can't be coincidence.

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just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm just calling it now. Call me crazy, but I've seen enough hints. ALL that dialogue with 4th wall breaking dual layers, it can't be coincidence.


To me all that dialogue hinting at the end r something after is just ice on top of a delicious cake...ice which is pilling up to the huge propotions.

Not our last fight, drinks in Rio, promise to come back, the word "nightmare" beeing used repeatdedly in context with the Reapers, waking up, the speeche against control. If there is not something hidden in all those lines then someone failed spectacularly at foreshadowing 101.

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dorktainian wrote...

just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........


And the Rahcni would have a huge impact on the ending, always loved that one ^_^

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........


And the Rahcni would have a huge impact on the ending, always loved that one ^_^


I always liked the people who, even after the game came out, insisted there were actually 16 different endings.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


To me all that dialogue hinting at the end r something after is just ice on top of a delicious cake...ice which is pilling up to the huge propotions.

Not our last fight, drinks in Rio, promise to come back, the word "nightmare" beeing used repeatdedly in context with the Reapers, waking up, the speeche against control. If there is not something hidden in all those lines then someone failed spectacularly at foreshadowing 101.


They wouldn't have just had to fail at foreshadowing, but extremely lucky to get all those 'hints' to come together to make a single, logical conclusion.

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What else could ME4 possibly be except a direct sequel? It'd be pretty hard to dream up an enemy more menacing than the reapers.

Also, the war in ME3 has gone on for at most 3-5 months. It'd be foolish to think that a galaxy less advanced, although more diverse, than the prothean cycle, would be able to defeat the reapers in less than a year.

The protheans fought for centuries against the reapers. We may have a completed crucible by the end of ME3, but its highly unlikely that this device will work as advertised, which is to say its very likely the crucible is a trap.

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byne wrote...
I always liked the people who, even after the game came out, insisted there were actually 16 different endings.


Even stretching it, I can think of...

Low/Medium/High Destroy
Low/High Control
Synthesis

x2 for Male and Female Shepard.

Even that's only 12.  Where's the other 4 people are talking about?

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Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...
I always liked the people who, even after the game came out, insisted there were actually 16 different endings.


Even stretching it, I can think of...

Low/Medium/High Destroy
Low/High Control
Synthesis

x2 for Male and Female Shepard.

Even that's only 12.  Where's the other 4 people are talking about?


No clue. I never understood where they got 16.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........


And the Rahcni would have a huge impact on the ending, always loved that one ^_^


My favorite.

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

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The official guide actually puts multiple ways to get the same ending as different endings.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........


And the Rahcni would have a huge impact on the ending, always loved that one ^_^


Don't forget the bit about "No Reaper off switch". 

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And the fact that those statements are from February 2012!

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*continues playthrough*

Got another.

Javik: "Your species thought the Protheans built the mass relays. The Reapers are cunning in their deceptiveness. Letting us flourish for centuries and centuries, believing ourselves to be masters of the cosmos. Then the truth becomes known. There are monsters out there in the darkness, preying on us."

Replace Reapers with Bioware and this explains that they're deceiving us by letting us think we won and are masters of the cosmos (endings), and they make us wait forever, believing that. Then eventually they will reveal the Reapers are still out there, and it's not over.

This quote nicely supplements this:

Garrus (after Grissom Academy) : "If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part, life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie.They wake up to see these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever cared about.If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out there looking for answers."

#icalledIT

From Ashes is the DLC that foreshadows the return of Shepard, who (like Javik), will rise from ashes, as an avatar of vengeance.


Hence the name of the DLC (it has a double meaning, like everything in the DLC) and all the revelations and hints in the From Ashes content, the Eden Prime datapads, to Shepard's return and the war not being over.

Mind = blown?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 25 novembre 2012 - 07:36 .


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So many of the quotes from people are so off from the game we got that I wonder if any of them actually played the version that got released, or if they have some special version that doesnt suck.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

What else could ME4 possibly be except a direct sequel? It'd be pretty hard to dream up an enemy more menacing than the reapers.

Also, the war in ME3 has gone on for at most 3-5 months. It'd be foolish to think that a galaxy less advanced, although more diverse, than the prothean cycle, would be able to defeat the reapers in less than a year.

The protheans fought for centuries against the reapers. We may have a completed crucible by the end of ME3, but its highly unlikely that this device will work as advertised, which is to say its very likely the crucible is a trap.


They wouldnt necesarily have to go with a more deadly enemy in a sequel. Sometimes I think it is okay to cut back and take a different approach.

Like a game focused on the aftermaths of the war, the war torn galaxy where the old mighty races have fallen from graze (the mighty Turian military is practically gone, the Asari are revealed to have been hoarding Prothean Tech and the Salarians have internal struggles as well as potentially not really doing much in the war) and new races (Krogan, Geth, Quarians and Rahcni) are rising to fill the void of power now open. Combine it with the Batarian systems pratcially wiped out and up for grabs and slavage of both Reaper and other races floating about in huge amounts even as the galaxy tries to find ist footing again.

Imagine playing a race of your choice and watching (and obviusly) helping the Galaxy rebuild, shaping its path as you do, helping determine who will rise to power.

I could see that beeing very interesting.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

just like they said me3 would give you many different endings..........


And the Rahcni would have a huge impact on the ending, always loved that one ^_^


Love that one too ;)