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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Oh my god Paragon Lost sucks.

I don't even care about the conspiracy theory reference - the anime just sucks.

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Andromidius wrote...

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Paxxton

Now you're okay with just influencing the catalyst? What happens if he says "ok, seeen enough. This isn't working. Harbinger! Begin the harvest!"

I'm just saying that the Catalyst may be a collective construct combining memories and experiences of thousands upon thousands of individuals.


You mean a Reaper?

I agree.

Or the actual program that runs on the Reaper Shell.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

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Now you're okay with just influencing the catalyst? What happens if he says "ok, seeen enough. This isn't working. Harbinger! Begin the harvest!"

I'm just saying that the Catalyst may be a collective construct combining memories and experiences of thousands upon thousands of individuals.


Doesn't mean it shouldn't die

Tbh, I was surprised at your violence-infested answer. Posted Image

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Promoting my new thread Restrider style:

Restrider wrote...
Promoting the Galactic Real Estate thread.



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I do like Leviathans achievements. Conspiracy theorists. You know from that point Bioware created leviathan for IT. I mean Conspiracy theorists alone is just enough that it was for IT people. Bioware just wanted to call us that because the literalist/trolls call us Conspiracy theorists, so they went along with it as an achievement.

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Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.

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masster blaster wrote...

I do like Leviathans achievements. Conspiracy theorists. You know from that point Bioware created leviathan for IT. I mean Conspiracy theorists alone is just enough that it was for IT people. Bioware just wanted to call us that because the literalist/trolls call us Conspiracy theorists, so they went along with it as an achievement.



Jut finished my first playthrough of leviathan.  Dunno whether it confirms IT or not to be fair.  If anything it backs up star brat imo.  Whatever happened to the slick gaming that was Mass Effect 1 & 2?

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demersel wrote...

Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.


Right, because the clip they decided to release to promote the movie was one that they didnt finish yet. That makes sense.

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dorktainian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I do like Leviathans achievements. Conspiracy theorists. You know from that point Bioware created leviathan for IT. I mean Conspiracy theorists alone is just enough that it was for IT people. Bioware just wanted to call us that because the literalist/trolls call us Conspiracy theorists, so they went along with it as an achievement.



Jut finished my first playthrough of leviathan.  Dunno whether it confirms IT or not to be fair.  If anything it backs up star brat imo.  Whatever happened to the slick gaming that was Mass Effect 1 & 2?


Nah.  It backs up the idea of a rogue AI slaughtering its masters, who then stole the abilities of its former masters.

Which totally backs up IT, and discredits Starbinger's motives and assertions even more.

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To the Paragon Lost discussion:
Afaik, Liara only appears only in a holographic dialogue between her disciple and herself. I could live with it that Vega simply forgot about Liara. Or do you remember everyone an acquaintance of yours called and you had the possibility to listen to that conversation?

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.


Right, because the clip they decided to release to promote the movie was one that they didnt finish yet. That makes sense.


Not to mention its animated, and isn't just a screenshot.  And it clearly shows Alliance vessels towing it - with cables no less, and not mass effect fields!

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Restrider wrote...

To the Paragon Lost discussion:
Afaik, Liara only appears only in a holographic dialogue between her disciple and herself. I could live with it that Vega simply forgot about Liara. Or do you remember everyone an acquaintance of yours called and you had the possibility to listen to that conversation?


Liara knew Shepard. Vega is a Shepard fanboy. He'd remember.

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demersel wrote...

Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.

Er, what? Now you're just making **** up.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:18 .


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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.


Right, because the clip they decided to release to promote the movie was one that they didnt finish yet. That makes sense.


It is a very common practice, really. 

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Vega is unstable. Did you see that he shook and almost pull the asari to the ground? Or is it just the anime style of expressing a feeling of surprise.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:20 .


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Andromidius wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I do like Leviathans achievements. Conspiracy theorists. You know from that point Bioware created leviathan for IT. I mean Conspiracy theorists alone is just enough that it was for IT people. Bioware just wanted to call us that because the literalist/trolls call us Conspiracy theorists, so they went along with it as an achievement.



Jut finished my first playthrough of leviathan.  Dunno whether it confirms IT or not to be fair.  If anything it backs up star brat imo.  Whatever happened to the slick gaming that was Mass Effect 1 & 2?


Nah.  It backs up the idea of a rogue AI slaughtering its masters, who then stole the abilities of its former masters.

Which totally backs up IT, and discredits Starbinger's motives and assertions even more.


And it proved that Shepard can be fooled into thinking what is real, is not real.

I mean come on SHepard.

Shepard: Ann what are you doing here.

Shepard failed for it. Oh and it also proved that the ending could be all in Shepard's head/ Leviathan takes the apperance of Ann, and the other 2 people Shepard had meet. Also Leviathan created Ann's fathers lab table out of Shepard memorys.

#51517
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byne wrote...

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So, where exactly is this "Liara in Paragon Lost" thing coming from?

Linky?


Here you go: 


That clip... I dont even...

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Hey, remember that time the Citadel went to some random planet, turned off all its lights, and towed a totally intact Sovereign somewhere?

ME NEITHER!


God good...
Why the hell the strings attached to Sovereign are positioned as if there is gravity there?
Even the number of "tentacles" asari have on their heads is wrong...

If they are going to create such a low quality product, better not to create it at all...

Restrider wrote...

So, I've recently played the Arrival DLC.
I've come to the conclusion that Kenson is in no way an example for Refuse. She may has refused to launch that rock into the relay, but that is because she actually wanted the Reapers to come to the galaxy due to her indoctrination. She depicts several times how the Reapers may help the galaxy and this in a way that can only be described with superstitious awe.
Regardless of the outcome of Refuse in the end of the DLC cycle, Kenson is not an advocate for Refuse.



Kenson example of refuse?
I can clearly remember her saying:

I will die without ever see the Reaper blessings! And you will die!! ( or something equivalent )

Where is she refusing anything in that?

#51518
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I'm reposting this because it's the bridge between IT and the Literal Interpretation of Control.

paxxton wrote...

I just rewatched the Control ending linked in my sig. A thought occurred to me. The new Catalyst says that only now he understands the full extent of Shepard's sacrifice. That means he didn't understand it before and that implies he'd existed before Shepard chose Control. Taken even further, it might mean that Shepard was absorbed and incorporated into the OLD Catalyst's cognitive processes. But it also means he exerted great influence on the Catalyst. An influence that made the Reapers stop the harvest and embrace the notion that they, Organics and Synthetics can coexist..



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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

To the Paragon Lost discussion:
Afaik, Liara only appears only in a holographic dialogue between her disciple and herself. I could live with it that Vega simply forgot about Liara. Or do you remember everyone an acquaintance of yours called and you had the possibility to listen to that conversation?


Liara knew Shepard. Vega is a Shepard fanboy. He'd remember.


ta Vega sating.

She knew Commander Shepard.

gave that away.

#51520
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I told you what it could be. (maybe this is that shiity, and they will end up having that placeholder in final product, who knows, - japaneese animation is known for cutting costs and being cheep).
I make movies and comercial for a living. I had my share of working with animation and pre-vis. Think whatever you want. I really don;t care either way.

Modifié par demersel, 25 novembre 2012 - 09:24 .


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Restrider. You should add the video logs of Kenson/ the logs about the nightmares in Arrival to the Indoctrination in General.

Yep, I'll do an update to the list when I'll migrate it to the MARK IV. I will add the Arrival stuff, possible Omega stuff and in gerenal throw stuff out that is too circumvential and add other, newer finds.

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Andromidius wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I do like Leviathans achievements. Conspiracy theorists. You know from that point Bioware created leviathan for IT. I mean Conspiracy theorists alone is just enough that it was for IT people. Bioware just wanted to call us that because the literalist/trolls call us Conspiracy theorists, so they went along with it as an achievement.



Jut finished my first playthrough of leviathan.  Dunno whether it confirms IT or not to be fair.  If anything it backs up star brat imo.  Whatever happened to the slick gaming that was Mass Effect 1 & 2?


Nah.  It backs up the idea of a rogue AI slaughtering its masters, who then stole the abilities of its former masters.

Which totally backs up IT, and discredits Starbinger's motives and assertions even more.

 actually....yeah.  all this 'there is no war...only the harvest' rubbish.  The reapers were intelligent enough to function without some lame ass non-strategy.  

''Harbinger talks of you''.  The reaper on rannoch.  Now if all the reapers were doing was some pre-ordained harvesting why would they communicate with each other?  They would just follow their programming.  An Intelligence would not go about slaughtering billions of sentient creatures for a trumped up excuse of a reason.  They were AI's.  Each a nation.  Intelligence beyond our understanding.  

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Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider. You should add the video logs of Kenson/ the logs about the nightmares in Arrival to the Indoctrination in General.

Yep, I'll do an update to the list when I'll migrate it to the MARK IV. I will add the Arrival stuff, possible Omega stuff and in gerenal throw stuff out that is too circumvential and add other, newer finds.


kk, but be ready. At this rate by next week we should be on mark 4.

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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

To the Paragon Lost discussion:
Afaik, Liara only appears only in a holographic dialogue between her disciple and herself. I could live with it that Vega simply forgot about Liara. Or do you remember everyone an acquaintance of yours called and you had the possibility to listen to that conversation?


Liara knew Shepard. Vega is a Shepard fanboy. He'd remember.

Touché.
But I think we all here are less concerned about Vega not knowing Liara rather then by other unsettling things shown in that clip. Am I correct?

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, so i watched the clip, and i can tell you all that we can relax - it is not techically part of the cartoon - it is a placeholder, previsualisation - that part isn't ready yet.


Right, because the clip they decided to release to promote the movie was one that they didnt finish yet. That makes sense.


It is a very common practice, really. 


Kinda like some of the stuff seen in the first Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess trailer never made it into the actual game?