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Arian Dynas wrote...

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I swear why are the men more depressed then the women isn't it the other way around? Then again gamer women are a different branch entirely.


*Whistles guiltily*


That's what I like about us though, we're on a forum to discuss video games, and, while we do that, we also end up discussing things like philosophy, quantum mechanics, morality, and yes, each others problems.

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And I don't wanna shout - but while we were talkin' - I saw you nodded out!

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I...is... is it me, are is that quote in your sig something that I wrote, Uranium?

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estebanus wrote...

I...is... is it me, are is that quote in your sig something that I wrote, Uranium?


I would've put the whole thing if it would fit Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I...is... is it me, are is that quote in your sig something that I wrote, Uranium?


I would've put the whole thing if it would fit Posted Image

...That's really sweet of you. Thanks.

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We never stopped caring, man.

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Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......

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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I...is... is it me, are is that quote in your sig something that I wrote, Uranium?


I would've put the whole thing if it would fit Posted Image

...That's really sweet of you. Thanks.


It's one of my favourite posts from here

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Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......


Oh Rose... don't think we forgot you! Here, let me hold your hair for you.B)

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Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......

Yeah, this really is getting a little to dramatic to bear.

I guess I'll just play some MGS. Clear my head.

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Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......


*extends arms* c'mon guys bring it in. Don't look at me like that this is happening damnit, hurry before The Immortal Chris Priestly brings down the OT hammer.

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Did anyone every figure out that [EXPLETIVE DELETED] Strawberry Chocolate Cake? I know we had some theories but I never came to a reasonable conclusion myself.

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So... what if the Reaper don't give a crap about Shepard? What if Shep being dead, alive, Indoctrinated or not, does not matter one iota to them?

The Reapers are supposed to be infinitely patient. We've all wondered why Shep would be important to them. I can only imagine that maybe none of the events past Cronos happened and maybe they need Shep to activate the Citadel relay so the main Reapers forces can flood through and do what they do; shut down the relays and slowly harvest the galaxy.

Shep, in the grand scheme of things really won't matter. He won't live much more than 100-300 years (implants considered) and Hackett seems like an even better target. So what is Shep's importance, really? And why would the Reapers seem to push for the construction of the Crucible and allow and somewhat facilitate galactic cooperation.

What if the 'test' on the 'Citadel' is a measurement of Shepard's ability to resist Indoctrination and not actually an attempt at Indoctrination? A measurement of Shep's willingness to follow through on destroying the reapers no matter the cost.

With the exception of synthesis, which I personally see as a critical mission failure, and refuse which I see as Shepard not following through on trying to defeat the Reapers, Control (if they have the collector base), or destroy if they stick to the 'mission' set out on at the end of ME1, are both viable means to an ends...

What if the entire London mission or perhaps everything from some time during Cronos is Leviathan testing Shepard to see if he could be a useful tool in his efforts to destroy the Reapers.

What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.

Think about this if he backs up anything the 'crapalist' says on the Citadel post Leviathan DLC.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......


*extends arms* c'mon guys bring it in. Don't look at me like that this is happening damnit, hurry before The Immortal Chris Priestly brings down the OT hammer.

[/offtopic]

Did anyone every figure out that [EXPLETIVE DELETED] Strawberry Chocolate Cake? I know we had some theories but I never came to a reasonable conclusion myself.


The best theory I've heard is Mass Effect's birthday, which is November 20th, which, oh look, is a Tuesday again this year Posted Image

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Hey everyone. Have people stopped bloody crying yet?

I saw the treble-team of literalists earlier which was kinda retarded.

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@Turbo_J

I believe the Reapers want Shepard in part for his "superior Code" to paraphrase Legion. They want his genetics, his mind, whatever it is about him that accounts for the fire that gets people to fall in line behind him, ready to take on hell itself. It's proven that at least one Reaper, Harbinger, wants Shepard alive (if possible) or at least his/her body from the events of ME2 Collector missions.

That's just my opinion on that part of your post.

@BleedingUranium

Possible, but begs teh question, "why Strawberry Chocolate Cake?" Why not just a chocolate cake or a vanilla cake or one that said "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" on it? Unless the Bioware team took to celebrating with one on ME's birthday.... hmmm,

MaximizedAction around? I know we encouraged him to "tweet" Gamble a question about the cake.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Hey everyone. Have people stopped bloody crying yet?

I saw the treble-team of literalists earlier which was kinda retarded.


Sometimes, you just have a Really Bad Day.

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Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......

I second the motion.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Excuse me while I go vomit from all this lovely family crap......

I second the motion.

Thirded.

Really, this is getting waaaay to overdramatic.

I should have just stayed in bed...

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He is indeed, getting too old for this ****.

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Turbo_J wrote...

So... what if the Reaper don't give a crap about Shepard? What if Shep being dead, alive, Indoctrinated or not, does not matter one iota to them?

The Reapers are supposed to be infinitely patient. We've all wondered why Shep would be important to them. I can only imagine that maybe none of the events past Cronos happened and maybe they need Shep to activate the Citadel relay so the main Reapers forces can flood through and do what they do; shut down the relays and slowly harvest the galaxy.

Shep, in the grand scheme of things really won't matter. He won't live much more than 100-300 years (implants considered) and Hackett seems like an even better target. So what is Shep's importance, really? And why would the Reapers seem to push for the construction of the Crucible and allow and somewhat facilitate galactic cooperation.

What if the 'test' on the 'Citadel' is a measurement of Shepard's ability to resist Indoctrination and not actually an attempt at Indoctrination? A measurement of Shep's willingness to follow through on destroying the reapers no matter the cost.

With the exception of synthesis, which I personally see as a critical mission failure, and refuse which I see as Shepard not following through on trying to defeat the Reapers, Control (if they have the collector base), or destroy if they stick to the 'mission' set out on at the end of ME1, are both viable means to an ends...

What if the entire London mission or perhaps everything from some time during Cronos is Leviathan testing Shepard to see if he could be a useful tool in his efforts to destroy the Reapers.

What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.

Think about this if he backs up anything the 'crapalist' says on the Citadel post Leviathan DLC.


Harbinger makes it pretty clear the Reapers are interested in Shepard persoanlly throughout ME2 with several quotes directed at Shepard.

And to be honest I dont understand all those saying Hacket would be a better target. Yes on paper he has a higher rank than Shepard, but it was Shepard, not Hacket that brought the galaxy together, it was Shepard Hacket consulted in regards to when they should attack Cronos station (and by extension the entire battle to take Earth back) waiting for Shepard to give the go sign and in the battle for Earth Shepard is the one giving the attack orders.

It is pretty clear that the galaxy as a whole looks up to Shepard. Hacket only has command of the Systems Alliance forces and not the rest of the Allied forces. Neither has Shepard off course, but they follow him none the less. In some cases he saved their entire species (Krogan, Rachni, Geth, Quarians) saved their leaders (Turian and depedning on ME1 choice Asari and Salarian) and ended conflicts hundreds of years old.

Shepard is this cycles effective leader and even more importantly he is a symbol not just to Humanity, but to the whole Galaxy.

I think Wrex gives the best example of what Shepard is: "I want you to know that no matter what happens, you ahve been a champion to the Krogan people, a friend of clan Urdnot and a brother to me. To every Krogan born after this day the name Shepard will mean hero!"

I think that quote truly embodies what Shepard is to that cycle. He has a huge sway in any military discussion in a way even Hacket for his rank woyuld not and I dont think any place would be closed to Shepard if he truly wated to go there.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So... what if the Reaper don't give a crap about Shepard? What if Shep being dead, alive, Indoctrinated or not, does not matter one iota to them?

The Reapers are supposed to be infinitely patient. We've all wondered why Shep would be important to them. I can only imagine that maybe none of the events past Cronos happened and maybe they need Shep to activate the Citadel relay so the main Reapers forces can flood through and do what they do; shut down the relays and slowly harvest the galaxy.

Shep, in the grand scheme of things really won't matter. He won't live much more than 100-300 years (implants considered) and Hackett seems like an even better target. So what is Shep's importance, really? And why would the Reapers seem to push for the construction of the Crucible and allow and somewhat facilitate galactic cooperation.

What if the 'test' on the 'Citadel' is a measurement of Shepard's ability to resist Indoctrination and not actually an attempt at Indoctrination? A measurement of Shep's willingness to follow through on destroying the reapers no matter the cost.

With the exception of synthesis, which I personally see as a critical mission failure, and refuse which I see as Shepard not following through on trying to defeat the Reapers, Control (if they have the collector base), or destroy if they stick to the 'mission' set out on at the end of ME1, are both viable means to an ends...

What if the entire London mission or perhaps everything from some time during Cronos is Leviathan testing Shepard to see if he could be a useful tool in his efforts to destroy the Reapers.

What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.

Think about this if he backs up anything the 'crapalist' says on the Citadel post Leviathan DLC.


Harbinger makes it pretty clear the Reapers are interested in Shepard persoanlly throughout ME2 with several quotes directed at Shepard.

And to be honest I dont understand all those saying Hacket would be a better target. Yes on paper he has a higher rank than Shepard, but it was Shepard, not Hacket that brought the galaxy together, it was Shepard Hacket consulted in regards to when they should attack Cronos station (and by extension the entire battle to take Earth back) waiting for Shepard to give the go sign and in the battle for Earth Shepard is the one giving the attack orders.

It is pretty clear that the galaxy as a whole looks up to Shepard. Hacket only has command of the Systems Alliance forces and not the rest of the Allied forces. Neither has Shepard off course, but they follow him none the less. In some cases he saved their entire species (Krogan, Rachni, Geth, Quarians) saved their leaders (Turian and depedning on ME1 choice Asari and Salarian) and ended conflicts hundreds of years old.

Shepard is this cycle's effective leader and even more importantly he is a symbol not just to Humanity, but to the whole Galaxy.

I think Wrex gives the best example of what Shepard is: "I want you to know that no matter what happens, you ahve been a champion to the Krogan people, a friend of clan Urdnot and a brother to me. To every Krogan born after this day the name Shepard will mean hero!"

I think that quote truly embodies what Shepard is to that cycle. He has a huge sway in any military discussion in a way even Hacket for his rank woyuld not and I dont think any place would be closed to Shepard if he truly wated to go there.


"He's an icon" - Miranda Lawson

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Turbo_J wrote...

So... what if the Reaper don't give a crap about Shepard? What if Shep being dead, alive, Indoctrinated or not, does not matter one iota to them?

The Reapers are supposed to be infinitely patient. We've all wondered why Shep would be important to them. I can only imagine that maybe none of the events past Cronos happened and maybe they need Shep to activate the Citadel relay so the main Reapers forces can flood through and do what they do; shut down the relays and slowly harvest the galaxy.

Shep, in the grand scheme of things really won't matter. He won't live much more than 100-300 years (implants considered) and Hackett seems like an even better target. So what is Shep's importance, really? And why would the Reapers seem to push for the construction of the Crucible and allow and somewhat facilitate galactic cooperation.

What if the 'test' on the 'Citadel' is a measurement of Shepard's ability to resist Indoctrination and not actually an attempt at Indoctrination? A measurement of Shep's willingness to follow through on destroying the reapers no matter the cost.

With the exception of synthesis, which I personally see as a critical mission failure, and refuse which I see as Shepard not following through on trying to defeat the Reapers, Control (if they have the collector base), or destroy if they stick to the 'mission' set out on at the end of ME1, are both viable means to an ends...

What if the entire London mission or perhaps everything from some time during Cronos is Leviathan testing Shepard to see if he could be a useful tool in his efforts to destroy the Reapers.

What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.

Think about this if he backs up anything the 'crapalist' says on the Citadel post Leviathan DLC.


uh oh, you may of already figured out what the value of the Laviathan may be, without knowing it..so close but yet soooo far away.
probably should check spelling for catalyst though...rofl

edit: "What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.""

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 août 2012 - 10:49 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

So... what if the Reaper don't give a crap about Shepard? What if Shep being dead, alive, Indoctrinated or not, does not matter one iota to them?

The Reapers are supposed to be infinitely patient. We've all wondered why Shep would be important to them. I can only imagine that maybe none of the events past Cronos happened and maybe they need Shep to activate the Citadel relay so the main Reapers forces can flood through and do what they do; shut down the relays and slowly harvest the galaxy.

Shep, in the grand scheme of things really won't matter. He won't live much more than 100-300 years (implants considered) and Hackett seems like an even better target. So what is Shep's importance, really? And why would the Reapers seem to push for the construction of the Crucible and allow and somewhat facilitate galactic cooperation.

What if the 'test' on the 'Citadel' is a measurement of Shepard's ability to resist Indoctrination and not actually an attempt at Indoctrination? A measurement of Shep's willingness to follow through on destroying the reapers no matter the cost.

With the exception of synthesis, which I personally see as a critical mission failure, and refuse which I see as Shepard not following through on trying to defeat the Reapers, Control (if they have the collector base), or destroy if they stick to the 'mission' set out on at the end of ME1, are both viable means to an ends...

What if the entire London mission or perhaps everything from some time during Cronos is Leviathan testing Shepard to see if he could be a useful tool in his efforts to destroy the Reapers.

What if Leviathan has been looking for an organic species that could aid him in his 'vendetta' against the AI enslaving bastages that killed/enslaved the creators that now reside as goo within him.

Think about this if he backs up anything the 'crapalist' says on the Citadel post Leviathan DLC.


Harbinger makes it pretty clear the Reapers are interested in Shepard persoanlly throughout ME2 with several quotes directed at Shepard.

And to be honest I dont understand all those saying Hacket would be a better target. Yes on paper he has a higher rank than Shepard, but it was Shepard, not Hacket that brought the galaxy together, it was Shepard Hacket consulted in regards to when they should attack Cronos station (and by extension the entire battle to take Earth back) waiting for Shepard to give the go sign and in the battle for Earth Shepard is the one giving the attack orders.

It is pretty clear that the galaxy as a whole looks up to Shepard. Hacket only has command of the Systems Alliance forces and not the rest of the Allied forces. Neither has Shepard off course, but they follow him none the less. In some cases he saved their entire species (Krogan, Rachni, Geth, Quarians) saved their leaders (Turian and depedning on ME1 choice Asari and Salarian) and ended conflicts hundreds of years old.

Shepard is this cycle's effective leader and even more importantly he is a symbol not just to Humanity, but to the whole Galaxy.

I think Wrex gives the best example of what Shepard is: "I want you to know that no matter what happens, you ahve been a champion to the Krogan people, a friend of clan Urdnot and a brother to me. To every Krogan born after this day the name Shepard will mean hero!"

I think that quote truly embodies what Shepard is to that cycle. He has a huge sway in any military discussion in a way even Hacket for his rank woyuld not and I dont think any place would be closed to Shepard if he truly wated to go there.


"He's an icon" - Miranda Lawson


and why would Miranda 'bring him back', better yet, how/where could they? Tech like that is  extremely rare, if non existant...

edit: forgot to mention that it's strange that the tech wasn't more explored/explained, as in how such tech would be important, considering all the wounded during the battles. A fountain of youth could come in handy in the war agains reapers. It's like a 'pop up' in the game, then you just close it and keep on playing..out of sight, out of , well..hive mind?!?

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Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 août 2012 - 10:46 .