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[Dwailing]

OK, I'm off after this. I just wanted to say one more thing. Jar-Jar is nowhere near aa bad as Brat. Good night.

[Rifneno]

Starbinger is to a sympathetic character what Jacob is to an interesting character.

[401 Kill]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm off after this. I just wanted to say one more thing. Jar-Jar is nowhere near aa bad as Brat. Good night.

Good night! Omega trailer tommorow and Omega Tuesday is something to look forward too!

[401 Kill]

Rifneno wrote...

Starbinger is to a sympathetic character what Jacob Ashley is to an interesting good character.

I have nothing against Jacob or Ashley- but I just don't "connect" to them like I do the other squadmates.

[masster blaster]

No. This ends here. I think both of you guys are right and wrong.

1. Leviathans say the war between Organics and Synthetics just happened. Wrong. I bet you this is what happened. The thrall races built Synthetics to help them in their lives. Over time the Synthetics begain to evolve. Then it happened. The Synthetics races saw their creators being enslaved by the Leviathans. They saught to free their creators. When the Leviathan saw this it ordered the thrall races to attack the Synthetics.

Over time the Leviathans saw that the Synthetics were winning, and they could not gain Control over the Synthetics, and so the Catalyst is born. It was programed to stop the Synthetics from killing Organics, but as it watched it soon learned that once he found the solution to the problem his creators would kill him. So it hacked the Synthetics and built a modle of his creator that created him.

He then told his creator that he found the soultion. So once his creator, and however else came to the place the brat said to meet it happened. The Synthetics killed all Leviathans, and turned them into genetic Material. Thus Harbinger is born, but in fear that Harbinger would betray him, he installed himself in Harbinger, thus WE is born.

Now the brat could Indoctrinated both the Synthetics, and Organics. Once it was ready, it gave the word to all the Organics, and Synthetics under Harbinger Control, and Harbinger won. Then after the war was over. Harbinger knew that Organics and Synthetics could never learn to get along because it saw first hand what would happen. So it ordered the trall races, and the Synthetics to build the mass relays, and the Citadel. It then told all the Synthetics to round up the organics and turn them into Destroyer Reapers. Then it told the Synthetics to shut down.

But before Harbinger could leave, it rewrote the race that created the Synthetics, and they shall forever be shackelled to the Citadel.


Now you have to think about it. In every cycle there was war with Synthetics vs Organics right, but what if there wasn't. We are lead to believe that war with them is boundless. But what if in some cycles there was peace, but Harbinger did not like it because it goes against it's programing. Thus he Indoctrinates/ hacks the Synthetics, and they betray the organics races. Or he Indoctrinates the organics races, and they attack the Synthetics.

Now in Javiks cycle yes the Synthetics betrayed their creators, but why. If you listen to Javik the organics implanted themself with tech they created, but over time the tech rewrote the genetic material/ dna of the Organic, and boom the Synthetics are created. But the Reapers used them to attack the Protheans. Now why would Harbinger/ the Catalyst do that. Because his logic is bs. He does not preserve the Synthetics, no. Organics yes, but Synthetics no because it's was a Synthetic, and it knows that there can only be one.

Now when we get to Shepard's cycle. Yes Quarians attack Geth, but the Geth had a choice right. They could have killed the last of the Quarians, but they didn't. So this Synthetic races out of all the cycles we know did not finish off their creators. And they were waiting for them to come back, and live on their planted again.

But no Nazara came and hacked the Geth. Legion says in ME2, that the reason why the Geth followed Nazara was because of a Math Error. So they were Hacked in a sense, like we can hack Geth units for a bit, and they attack the Geth that we are fighting. Now why would that brat/Harbinger tell Nazara to hack the Geth. Shouldn't the brat study this new event that has happened? Nope it tells Nazara to use them, as well as Saren, and activate the Citadel.

Now what's funnt about this is that Saren says the Nazara does not care about the Geth, nor will let them live. The brat says it preserves both organics, and Synthetics, yet no it doesn't.

But really guys it's the brat's fault that we are at war with the Geth. Think about it. In ME1 the Geth are attacking the organics because they are under the Reapers Control. We think that well they are Synthetics, and they are evil, but they aren't. Because in ME2 Legion says that the Geth Shepard fought were Indoctrinated in a sense. They were hacked due to a Math Error code.

Now in ME3, we see first hand what really is the cause of Synthetics vs Organics. This leads me to believe that is what happened to the Leviathans. They saw these Synthetics learning, understanding, and above all can't ve controlled.

[masster blaster]

Also the Synthetics in Javiks cycle were actually Synthesis already. The creators again installed tech in themselves, but it changed them, and thus they became Synthesis. But they were called Synthetic because they were mostly machin. Now if the brat wants Synthesis which it does, then why not study this, or see the ERRORS it has been doing. It trys to implant tech with Organics flesh/ genetic material. Your not suppose to do that.

Why do you think when we ask the brat about Synthesis he says " We.. have tried..., but...it always failed." Um again look at the Prothean beacons what do you see. The Protheans being turned into Collectors/ being inplanted with tech. Heck in ME2 if you find that Prothean beacon on a side mission, it even shows the Protheans being turned into Collectors.

The proplem again is The brat is forcing everything.

It tells us what we should do, what we should not do. What path should we follow. Why do you think there are three paths. It's because they represent the paths the brat wants us to follow, yet Destroy no. It can't stop us from picking Control because it can't control Shepard. Shepard has to allow the Reapers/ the Brat/ Harbinger to let them Control him/her. Hence Control.

We no longer Control Shepard, and he/she is now under the Reapers control.

In Synthesis we allow Shepard to become one with the brat/ Harbinger. Thus making Harbinger complete, but it will not stop him from harvesting the cycles. Because more Shepard avatar will begain to emerge, and Harbinger can't have that. Remember Reapers see themselfs as the apex of evolution, so it will still harvest.

Destroy is the player is giving the brat the middle finger because you may try to scary me into killing my friends, but you know what I will take my chances, as well as the galaxys.

Refuse is the player refusing to listen use the crucible, but if you look at Shepard he/she is looking at the player when he/she says.

And if I die. I die knowing I did everything I could to stop you. And I will die free., it's a slap in the face saying.

Shepard: It's okay pick Destroy. If I die in Destroy as well as the Synthetics, then at least we did everything we could to stop the Reapers, and I and all the Synthetics will die free.

I mean Shepard doesn't know about the player, but it's the 4 wall breaking.

Because think about this in Destroy Shepard did everything he/she could to stop the Reapers right, and he/she dies knowing that he/she did everything she/he could to stop the Reapers, and dies free, but....

Shepard does not feel like he/she has finished anything, and remebers why he/she is trying to stop the Reapers, and then he/she wakes up.

[masster blaster]

SwobyJ yep it's very clear, and even again in ME3 that the Reapers mostly cause Synthetics, and Organics to fight eachother. Ye Quarians were attacking the Geth, but all they had to do was contact the Quarains, and tell them they are leaving the planet because they don't want to fight them. Yet they were in a panic attack, and the Reapers came to help them, ya right it was more like.

Harbinger/ the Brat: okay we will help you Geth.

A Reaper: Sir are we really going to help them?

Harbinger/ the Brat: Really like I would help help the inferior Geth just because I feel sorry for them/ want to protect them. No once I they kill their creators with the help from us. We will use them to attack the organics races in the galaxy.

A Reaper: evil laugh

Harbinger/ the Brat: prepare the Geth for the ascention.

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I am out for the night.

[dorktainian]

analogy....

meeting star brat is like sleeping with and waking up next to susan boyle.

[estebanus]

dorktainian wrote...

analogy....

meeting star brat is like sleeping with and waking up next to susan boyle.

Not too bad if you're drunk and are wearing a blindfold, I suppose.

[paxxton]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

How did we never pick up on all these hints before?

Nurse in the hospital: "He can't remember his own name without the VI in his head telling him what it is. Trust me, in this place, we know dead."

What does it have to do with hinting at IT?

It's a discussion between the hospital receptionist and a visitor. receptionist claims that Huerta is dead, the visitor says he isn't.

Hospital Visitor: "It's completely tasteless to call this place Huerta Memorial."

Hospital Receptionist: "President Huerta died of a stroke two years ago, ma'am."

Hospital Visitor: "I think you meant to say 'the man was dead for an hour and a half, and his political enemies piled on enough propaganda to get the name of the hospital changed.'"

Hospital Receptionist: "He can't remember his own name without the VI in his head telling him what it is. Trust me, in this building, we know dead."

Hospital Visitor: "The supreme court says he is alive."

Hospital Receptionist: "Five Justices say he is alive, two of which appointed by him. The name is what it is."

This could foreshadow the events after ME3, where people think Shepard is dead, but Shepard isn't. Completely consistent with my recent finds.

Is this my confirmation bias at work, or am I on to something here?

Also, Avina says the donor who suggested the hospital name desired to remain anonymous.

So, if all of this is indeed foreshadowing, Shepard will be partly indoctrinated after the events of ME3. He'll be considered (brain)dead and there will be some kind of thing called after Shepard, as if (s)he died. The one who did this, is Shepard's political enemy.

The Illusive Man? The Reapers?

Might be. I proposed something similar a few months ago. Namely, that Shepard is left paralyzed and hence there's a need for a new protagonist. It would be a sad end for a hero though. Another solution would be to make Shepard the new villain of ME4, or concentrate the story on Shepard fighting off Indoctrination.

EDIT: I'm sure by the end of the 22nd Century there will have been cures for paralysis and all sorts of brain damage found.

Modifié par paxxton, 26 novembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm off after this. I just wanted to say one more thing. Jar-Jar is nowhere near aa bad as Brat. Good night.

Good night! Omega trailer tommorow and Omega Tuesday is something to look forward too!

There's only two things we can guarentee here.  1 - Having a good night and 2 - Omega on Tuesday.  We hope the trailer comes tomorrow.  I think they'll release the trailer on the same day as Omega because of the implications in the trailer

[CmdrShep80]

Btw Omega comes out 11/28 for PS3. Bet trailer either comes out Tuesday or at worse, end of day Tuesday

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Btw Omega comes out 11/28 for PS3. Bet trailer either comes out Tuesday or at worse, end of day Tuesday

It comes out for X360 and PC tomorrow. The railer should surface today then.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

Might be. I proposed something similar a few months ago. Namely, that Shepard is left paralyzed and hence there's a need for a new protagonist. It would be a sad end for a hero though.

This just in: ME4 includes cameo of Shepard in a full body wheelchair speaking only in beeps.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Might be. I proposed something similar a few months ago. Namely, that Shepard is left paralyzed and hence there's a need for a new protagonist. It would be a sad end for a hero though.

This just in: ME4 includes cameo of Shepard in a full body wheelchair speaking only in beeps.

If only BioWare were that rapid in confirming IT.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

How did we never pick up on all these hints before?

Nurse in the hospital: "He can't remember his own name without the VI in his head telling him what it is. Trust me, in this place, we know dead."

What does it have to do with hinting at IT?

It's a discussion between the hospital receptionist and a visitor. receptionist claims that Huerta is dead, the visitor says he isn't.

Hospital Visitor: "It's completely tasteless to call this place Huerta Memorial."

Hospital Receptionist: "President Huerta died of a stroke two years ago, ma'am."

Hospital Visitor: "I think you meant to say 'the man was dead for an hour and a half, and his political enemies piled on enough propaganda to get the name of the hospital changed.'"

Hospital Receptionist: "He can't remember his own name without the VI in his head telling him what it is. Trust me, in this building, we know dead."

Hospital Visitor: "The supreme court says he is alive."

Hospital Receptionist: "Five Justices say he is alive, two of which appointed by him. The name is what it is."

This could foreshadow the events after ME3, where people think Shepard is dead, but Shepard isn't. Completely consistent with my recent finds.

Is this my confirmation bias at work, or am I on to something here?

Also, Avina says the donor who suggested the hospital name desired to remain anonymous.

So, if all of this is indeed foreshadowing, Shepard will be partly indoctrinated after the events of ME3. He'll be considered (brain)dead and there will be some kind of thing called after Shepard, as if (s)he died. The one who did this, is Shepard's political enemy.

The Illusive Man? The Reapers?

Might be. I proposed something similar a few months ago. Namely, that Shepard is left paralyzed and hence there's a need for a new protagonist. It would be a sad end for a hero though. Another solution would be to make Shepard the new villain of ME4, or concentrate the story on Shepard fighting off Indoctrination.

EDIT: I'm sure by the end of the 22nd Century there will have been cures for paralysis and all sorts of brain damage found.

Dosent have to be a physical condition putting Shepard out of the fight. Even if he fights of Indoctrination it wont be gone for good. As we know the damage is not something which can simply be undone and will continue to grow. In short even if Shepard breaks free and turns the battle at Earth around he might realize just how close he was to failing and opt to go in voluntary confinement so that he wont turn upon all he love.

That would pave the way for a new hero to rise even as Shepard remains alive but out of the fight. A key part of a sequel could then be finding a way to detect and cure or at least a way to halt Indoctrination, both for Shepard and other troops.

It could also open some potentially heartbreaking moments if you transfer over a game where Shepard had a LI and seeing her or him visit Shepard in his confinement, watching as they talk to him through a glass wall or similar. Make it even more horrifying and depict Shepard's decent into Indoctrination with him potentially starting to go increasingly mad from the Indoctrination, talking to himself and hearing voices with the LI looking on in grief unable to help him/her. Bonus points if the LI is Liara who visits with her's and Shepard's child.

To add the final heartbreaking or loving moment make Shepards recovery entirely dependent on the player's choices and/or speed at which he pursues a cure.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[MWMike2011]

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Btw Omega comes out 11/28 for PS3. Bet trailer either comes out Tuesday or at worse, end of day Tuesday

It comes out for X360 and PC tomorrow. The railer should surface today then.

I think it comes out in the morning. Mike Gamble said to keep an eye on MassEffect.com "tomorrow" in a Tweet on Sunday.

[MWMike2011]

So, other than debating and Doomsday pointing out different spots in earlier games of possible IT hints, was there anything new today?

Personally, I'm surprised no one really jumped on the Tweet Jos Hendriks sent out Friday, I believe, which very clearly points out that he is working on (or at least helping out with) 3 different single player DLCs, and at least one of them has all of the writers helping out with it. I very much think this points to IT, or some sort of ending-changing DLC. Leaning more and more towards IT, though.

[BleedingUranium]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Dosent have to be a physical condition putting Shepard out of the fight. Even if he fights of Indoctrination it wont be gone for good. As we know the damage is not something which can simply be undone and will continue to grow. In short even if Shepard breaks free and turns the battle at Earth around he might realize just how close he was to failing and opt to go in voluntary confinement so that he wont turn upon all he love.

That would pave the way for a new hero to rise even as Shepard remains alive but out of the fight. A key part of a sequel could then be finding a way to detect and cure or at least a way to halt Indoctrination, both for Shepard and other troops.

It could also open some potentially heartbreaking moments if you transfer over a game where Shepard had a LI and seeing her or him visit Shepard in his confinement, watching as they talk to him through a glass wall or similar. Make it even more horrifying and depict Shepard's decent into Indoctrination with him potentially starting to go increasingly mad from the Indoctrination, talking to himself and hearing voices with the LI looking on in grief unable to help him/her. Bonus points if the LI is Liara who visits with her's and Shepard's child.

To add the final heartbreaking or loving moment make Shepards recovery entirely dependent on the player's choices and/or speed at which he pursues a cure.

Maybe, but I am of the opinion that Shepard beating indoctrination will be total and permanent, it's the natural character arc. This could be what Leviathan was talking about, with reference to Shepard being special.

Goodnight everyone!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Dosent have to be a physical condition putting Shepard out of the fight. Even if he fights of Indoctrination it wont be gone for good. As we know the damage is not something which can simply be undone and will continue to grow. In short even if Shepard breaks free and turns the battle at Earth around he might realize just how close he was to failing and opt to go in voluntary confinement so that he wont turn upon all he love.

That would pave the way for a new hero to rise even as Shepard remains alive but out of the fight. A key part of a sequel could then be finding a way to detect and cure or at least a way to halt Indoctrination, both for Shepard and other troops.

It could also open some potentially heartbreaking moments if you transfer over a game where Shepard had a LI and seeing her or him visit Shepard in his confinement, watching as they talk to him through a glass wall or similar. Make it even more horrifying and depict Shepard's decent into Indoctrination with him potentially starting to go increasingly mad from the Indoctrination, talking to himself and hearing voices with the LI looking on in grief unable to help him/her. Bonus points if the LI is Liara who visits with her's and Shepard's child.

To add the final heartbreaking or loving moment make Shepards recovery entirely dependent on the player's choices and/or speed at which he pursues a cure.

Maybe, but I am of the opinion that Shepard beating indoctrination will be total and permanent, it's the natural character arc. This could be what Leviathan was talking about, with reference to Shepard being special.

Goodnight everyone!

The problem is that no person has been completely immune. Both the Rachni Queen and the Asari from Zhu´s Hope who are our only examples of people who are resistant both mention how they hear the Reapers voices.

I dont think anything short of blowing every Reaper to kingdom come will ever truly free someone under the effect of Indoctrination and considering the way Indoctrination work that might not even be enough.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

magnetite wrote...

Wanted to share something. I found out how to work the flycam and I have revealed that Marauder Shields doesn't exist.



However, if I take two steps from where I took this screenshot, he pops up out of nowhere, along with the Three Husketeers (higher difficulties).

I guess that could be another piece of evidence.

Nah probably a simple case of spawn trigger. Most enemies work by that not beeing there until the player actually reaches a certain point.