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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#52001
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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Everything that exists conclusively disproves IT to some people. It's like the 'ruined forever' page on the transformers wiki.


And everything that exists conclusively proves IT to other people. It's a two-way street.

Correct. I fully expect to see threads from every end of the IT scale and the general game opinion scale for a few days.

#52002
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If by "chaos" you mean "random mutations v.s natural selection" than sure, you're absolutely right Paxxton. In a way we are indeed nothing more than an "accident". Our entire evolution is nothing more than random chance v.s mother nature (who can also be quite random at times), it is quite chaotic indeed.

#52003
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paxxton wrote...

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You know what a big thing about Omega might be?

Omega is the chaos, the lawless of the galaxy.

Organics are the chaos, the lawless of evolution.

Don't be daft, synthetics are the chaos, not organics. Please ignore everything Sovereign said, he hit the bottle pretty bad that day on Virmire.

No. That one is a fact. Organics are chaos. Synthetics are order.

Synthesis - bring order to chaos = stop evolution? Now that's one beautiful future some people chose and defend ...

#52004
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I do have to wonder though...

Why did they delay the trailer this long? How could it have taken them so long to make it?

Only answer I have is they were busy doing other things. Exciting things.

#52005
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Andromidius wrote...

I do have to wonder though...

Why did they delay the trailer this long? How could it have taken them so long to make it?

Only answer I have is they were busy doing other things. Exciting things.

Pfft, I bet they were just too busy playing Halo 4 or something.

#52006
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RavenEyry wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

You know what a big thing about Omega might be?

Omega is the chaos, the lawless of the galaxy.

Organics are the chaos, the lawless of evolution.

Don't be daft, synthetics are the chaos, not organics. Please ignore everything Sovereign said, he hit the bottle pretty bad that day on Virmire.


And Harbinger has been known to drink alot during the long journey to the galaxy, says it helps him think clearly when talking to the Organics.

#52007
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hukbum wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

You know what a big thing about Omega might be?

Omega is the chaos, the lawless of the galaxy.

Organics are the chaos, the lawless of evolution.

Don't be daft, synthetics are the chaos, not organics. Please ignore everything Sovereign said, he hit the bottle pretty bad that day on Virmire.

No. That one is a fact. Organics are chaos. Synthetics are order.

Synthesis - bring order to chaos = stop evolution? Now that's one beautiful future some people chose and defend ...

Progress cannot be halted. Evolution cannot be stopped. It just happens. Posted Image

#52008
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Andromidius wrote...

I do have to wonder though...

Why did they delay the trailer this long? How could it have taken them so long to make it?

Only answer I have is they were busy doing other things. Exciting things.


Nah, the trailer was probably long done. The reason why they waited is a marketing strategic move.

#52009
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estebanus wrote...

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Brace yourself, people asking "does this prove IT?" or "this disproves IT" incomming tomorrow.

I certainly don't think it'll support IT. As a matter of fact, I don't think it will have anything to do with the ending at all, or at least not like Leviathan.


So far, I only think it'll have a thematic connection to several ideas connected to IT and a feeling of true triumph that, if IT is right, will foreshadow the larger galactic triumph.*


*to be sold with EA DLC $$$$

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Andromidius wrote...

I do have to wonder though...

Why did they delay the trailer this long? How could it have taken them so long to make it?

Only answer I have is they were busy doing other things. Exciting things.

Or maybe they were just to bored and simply took their time.

#52011
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estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Brace yourself, people asking "does this prove IT?" or "this disproves IT" incomming tomorrow.

I certainly don't think it'll support IT. As a matter of fact, I don't think it will have anything to do with the ending at all, or at least not like Leviathan.


Maybe, maybe not, but no matter what I expect a few people to come in here thinking they can rub it in our faces for some reason. One allready said outright he was going to troll us once Omega came out.

#52012
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At 1.05 - is that Aria choosing control????

At 1.32 - the much rumored purple ending + collectror weapons on Shepard's back. Collectors in Omega?

Modifié par demersel, 26 novembre 2012 - 04:57 .


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demersel wrote...

At 1.05 - is that Aria choosing control????

That's the romance scene. Posted Image

#52014
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Got to admit though. Those Cerberus mechs look pretty awesome.

#52015
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paxxton wrote...

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Synthesis - bring order to chaos = stop evolution? Now that's one beautiful future some people chose and defend ...

Progress cannot be halted. Evolution cannot be stopped. It just happens. Posted Image

I know ... but the brat is talking about "final" evolution. Makes you think what the 'lil one really had in his twisted mind ...

#52016
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hukbum wrote...

paxxton wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Synthesis - bring order to chaos = stop evolution? Now that's one beautiful future some people chose and defend ...

Progress cannot be halted. Evolution cannot be stopped. It just happens. Posted Image

I know ... but the brat is talking about "final" evolution. Makes you think what the 'lil one really had in his twisted mind ...

Maybe he means final at the moment. Or maybe he means something else. Or maybe it's one of those story inconsistencies. Who knows.

#52017
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The only way to stop evolution permanently would be to wipe out all life entirely and then patrol around to crush anything new that forms. Not give everyone green lines and vaguely defined 'understanding'.

#52018
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At 1.05, whe Aria is choosing control - there are clearly black oily shadows present.

#52019
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RavenEyry wrote...

The only way to stop evolution permanently would be to wipe out all life entirely and then patrol around to crush anything new that forms. Not give everyone green lines and vaguely defined 'understanding'.


Which isn't even evolution, even if it was possible.  Its augmentation and alteration.  For it to be evolution it would have to happen over many generations, since evolution by definition cannot alter a being that already exists.

Instead its better to call it mutation.  Which doesn't sound as pretty, hense why that word isn't used.

#52020
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Andromidius wrote...

Instead its better to call it mutation.  Which doesn't sound as pretty, hense why that word isn't used.

Mutation is a vital part of evolution. Artifical alteration is the closest I can think of.

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demersel wrote...

At 1.05, whe Aria is choosing control - there are clearly black oily shadows present.


Well she's not hanging onto anything like Shepard did when s/he chooses Control.  In the trailer, it looks like some type of containment device with four beams, one for each limb maybe.  First impression is Aria preforms some type of biotic kaboom to break free.

#52022
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paxxton wrote...

hukbum wrote...

paxxton wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Synthesis - bring order to chaos = stop evolution? Now that's one beautiful future some people chose and defend ...

Progress cannot be halted. Evolution cannot be stopped. It just happens. Posted Image

I know ... but the brat is talking about "final" evolution. Makes you think what the 'lil one really had in his twisted mind ...

Maybe he means final at the moment. Or maybe he means something else. Or maybe it's one of those story inconsistencies. Who knows.

It's his coice of words overall:
Control - "you'll lose everything" - My first thought: No free will anymore (and it's funny to see how the control supporters ignore this one).
Synthesis - "final evolution" - My thought: There is no such thing. You can't stop evolution, this so called solution solves nothing.

There are just to many points that feel odd just to be "bad writing" or inconsistencies ...

#52023
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The romance option is not necessarily there, could just be a hug. Doesn't mean you can **** her.

Also a lot of action and not enough IT related story as it seems, but we'll see tomorrow.

#52024
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RavenEyry wrote...

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Instead its better to call it mutation.  Which doesn't sound as pretty, hense why that word isn't used.

Mutation is a vital part of evolution. Artifical alteration is the closest I can think of.


It doesn't work the same way though.  A person cannot evolve, only a species via reproduction.

#52025
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On the screen it says NOVEMBER 27 - there is an underlaying image of omega + there are oily black shadows coming from the bottom left corner  to the center of the screen. (it passes right above the www.masseffect.com)

Modifié par demersel, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:19 .