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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Andromidius wrote...

I was born in Hanover, you know?

Hannover is rather known for being boring ... and corrupted by corrupt politicians :o

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MegumiAzusa wrote...
*snip*

Shepard. They know you. They wish you to understand. They are shepherds, too.


That's cool. Fits rather well with this interpretation of Shepard also being someone who indoctrinates in some way. Never noticed it (or missed/forgot it if already posted).



@Bill

Wow, either this is an optical illusion, odd graphics bug or this batarian has quite a lot of prosthetics. Interesting emphasis.


I prefer not to call it Indoctrination, but Inspiration.

The TRUE evolution of organic life. Suck it Reapers/Leviathans/Thorian/whatever

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byne wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
*snip*

Shepard. They know you. They wish you to understand. They are shepherds, too.


That's cool. Fits rather well with this interpretation of Shepard also being someone who indoctrinates in some way. Never noticed it (or missed/forgot it if already posted).



@Bill

Wow, either this is an optical illusion, odd graphics bug or this batarian has quite a lot of prosthetics. Interesting emphasis.


I always kind of wondered if Shepard was like the Jedi Exile in KotOR 2.

Have you noticed that when you act, others follow? Those that travel with you, they follow you without question. Without hesitation. Against their instincts, and sometimes against their sense.


Even though KOTOR2 isn't a Bioware creation, I'm VERY sure that Bioware's writers take some cues and lessons from it. KOTOR2 was regarded as the one with the better writing overall, even though so much of the game was cut short.

And I friggin love Kreya and her place in Star Wars lore. More characters like her and I'd actually be a Star Wars fan.

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archangel1996 wrote...

Cerberus and batarians? :blink: The organization that "works" for humanity and the race that is know to enslave humans? :blink:


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Petrovsky is the type of guy who would make offers to people of other species...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:28 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Megumi isn't getting rebuked for disagreeing it's all the insults that get under peoples skin. Entitled, idiots, stupid, etc
Also this
"You can't prove anything conclusively"
followed by
"IT is definitely wrong"


I cannot believe the hypocrisy.
I can not allow myself to get sucked into this negativity

Okay, I admit bad wording, but I said it "the right way" many more times.
Before the EC: everything is going.
after: everything but the difference in the Crucible firing or not which invalidates that part of IT, but still not all of it.

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Cerberus is more "pro human" than anti batarian. If they can use batarians to further TIMs goals, of course they do it.

If the batarian sees cerberus for what they are as hindering instead of helping humanity, I could see some sort if alignment happening.

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Was playing Mass Effect 2...

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I think there's going to be a choice of whether to side with Aria or Cerberus.

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I loled.

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archangel1996 wrote...

Cerberus and batarians? :blink: The organization that "works" for humanity and the race that is know to enslave humans? :blink:


Crackpot theory:

-Cerberus wants domination of the galaxy, or at least TIM does lol
-TIM uses indoctrination on followers and troops now. Not all of em, but getting there.
-MANY of TIM's lines seem DIRECTLY parallel to Leviathan

Conclusion: TIM doesn't mind the idea of having lower slave races and Batarians are a good example for him. Indoctrination time! <3

Oh and TIM is a special Controller - I think he's taking cues from the Leviathans (which we'll find out) but going down the path of the Reapers.

He's going to be the ultimate grey character. Your enemy that has the tools that you need to win, rofl.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Was playing Mass Effect 2...

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What is your point? The why are you green part?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Cerberus and batarians? :blink: The organization that "works" for humanity and the race that is know to enslave humans? :blink:


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Cerberus is also known for using aliens against other aliens. As long as it furthers Cerberus goals, why not?


I was in paragon mode when i wrote that post......My renegade mode agrees

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Bill Casey wrote...

Was playing Mass Effect 2...


roflroflroflroflBiowarerofl

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

What is your point? The why are you green part?

Coupled with the "invasive procedures without consent" part...

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SwobyJ wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Cerberus and batarians? :blink: The organization that "works" for humanity and the race that is know to enslave humans? :blink:


Crackpot theory:

-Cerberus wants domination of the galaxy, or at least TIM does lol
-TIM uses indoctrination on followers and troops now. Not all of em, but getting there.
-MANY of TIM's lines seem DIRECTLY parallel to Leviathan

Conclusion: TIM doesn't mind the idea of having lower slave races and Batarians are a good example for him. Indoctrination time! <3

Oh and TIM is a special Controller - I think he's taking cues from the Leviathans (which we'll find out) but going down the path of the Reapers.

He's going to be the ultimate grey character. Your enemy that has the tools that you need to win, rofl.

Doesn't mind the idea? His goal is in his words "to dominate".

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

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Each Mech carries a Harrier.


Rampart Prime/Captain/Leader?

The strange thing is the Batarian who seems to work with Cerberus because of that.


Maybe he's a prisoner?

It seems it's Anto (Aria's right hand who thought he could take over Omega after Aria was lured away by Cerberus). Though he doesn't really look like a prisoner... or since when do you give a prisoner body armor?

I don't think it's armor. It looks more like one of the clothing styles you see the Batarians on the Citadel in.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Cerberus and batarians? :blink: The organization that "works" for humanity and the race that is know to enslave humans? :blink:


Crackpot theory:

-Cerberus wants domination of the galaxy, or at least TIM does lol
-TIM uses indoctrination on followers and troops now. Not all of em, but getting there.
-MANY of TIM's lines seem DIRECTLY parallel to Leviathan

Conclusion: TIM doesn't mind the idea of having lower slave races and Batarians are a good example for him. Indoctrination time! <3

Oh and TIM is a special Controller - I think he's taking cues from the Leviathans (which we'll find out) but going down the path of the Reapers.

He's going to be the ultimate grey character. Your enemy that has the tools that you need to win, rofl.

Doesn't mind the idea? His goal is in his words "to dominate".


I was using a bit of sarcasm.

But yeah - so far, I consider him:
-indoctrinated into Reaper thinking
-obsessed with Leviathan orientation

But a lot of my thoughts on him may have to wait, unless I'm just totally wrong and nothing new will be revealed.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Was playing Mass Effect 2...

What is your point? The why are you green part?


Coupled with what Shiala's saying

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Bill Casey wrote...

Was playing Mass Effect 2...

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>invasive procedures without our consent
>why are you green

:mellow:

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I think the krogans are mercenaries of the blood pack, the blood pack works for Aria

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That was fast. This is pretty much what I figured when Nyreen's message said they needed codebreakers. Get on it!

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Well Megumi, I disagree with your assertion. I don't see what you see, or agree with the implication even if you are right regarding Shepard being shielded during high ems destroy. I disagree with your assertion that Shepard is definitively on the Citadel.

You think Shepard is on the Citadel and that the crucible fires. That only leaves whether some essentially narrative irrelevant hallucinating goes on and whether control and synthesis are legit. That's WNT and Deception theory.


There may be many variations, but "IT" as it is known is what this thread has always suggested: The crucible hasn't been fired and Shepard is undergoing an indoctrination attempt and the ending is in Sheps head.
You act like you have conclusively proved IT false. I don't see your case as being strong at all.

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archangel1996 wrote...

I think the krogans are mercenaries of the blood pack, the blood pack works for Aria


I wonder if you'll have to do the quest to get all the mercs working for Aria before you assault Omega?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Was playing Mass Effect 2...

What is your point? The why are you green part?


Coupled with what Shiala's saying

Still don't really get it what he is getting at :P

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paxxton wrote...

I think there's going to be a choice of whether to side with Aria or Cerberus.

I hope we can spare General Oleg Petrovsky and turn him to our cause. I loved him in the Invasion comics and it looks like they haven't changed him from that in the DLC.