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[estebanus]

Okay, let's compare David Archer to god-emperor Shepard, shall we?

In the control ending, Shepard grips unto ("Gets attached to", if you will) to electric handles, after which his/her body disintegrates, and an AI is created using Shepard's essence. The AI replaces the catalyst and interfaces directly with the reapers, allowing it to control them.

Now, Project overlord.

In Project overlord, the idea was to allow a human mind to interface with the geth by attaching a person to a VI, thus creating an AI, more or less. To do this, they needed a person with extraodinary mathematical skills, who could process the complex mathematical formulas that a computer could solve. The entire goal of the project was however not to attach the human with a computer, but to allow this human's mind to interface with the geth through the computer, thus allowing this person (Or rather his mind) to control them. 

See the similarities?

Modifié par estebanus, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[SirLugash]

SirLugash wrote...

Hey guys.
Just a short question:
Pre-EC Anderson on the Citadel represented 1000 EMS points (you needed 4000 EMS for the breath scene when Anderson was not shot by TIM and 5000 when TIM shot him).
Is this still the case after EC ?

Sorry to bring this up again, but this thread is moving to fast ^^

RavenEyry wrote...
I think it does still have an affect but the totals needed changed.

Yes I know that, but I wanted to know whether there is still this huge amount of points associated to Anderson just for surviving a few seconds longer.
For me it plays in favour for IT.

Kyrene wrote...
Don't think so, as the breath scene now only requires 3100 EMS.

I heard of 4100.
Could it be that it's 3100 when you prevent Anderson from getting shot by TIM and 4100 when TIM kills Anderson ?

[byne]

SirLugash wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Hey guys.
Just a short question:
Pre-EC Anderson on the Citadel represented 1000 EMS points (you needed 4000 EMS for the breath scene when Anderson was not shot by TIM and 5000 when TIM shot him).
Is this still the case after EC ?

Sorry to bring this up again, but this thread is moving to fast ^^

RavenEyry wrote...
I think it does still have an affect but the totals needed changed.

Yes I know that, but I wanted to know whether there is still this huge amount of points associated to Anderson just for surviving a few seconds longer.
For me it plays in favour for IT.

Kyrene wrote...
Don't think so, as the breath scene now only requires 3100 EMS.

I heard of 4100.
Could it be that it's 3100 when you prevent Anderson from getting shot by TIM and 4100 when TIM kills Anderson ?

Well, I know for a fact 3100 is enough if you save Anderson, as I just did it with 3300 a few days ago. I dont know if not saving him makes it higher though.

[Samtheman63]

EMS got nerfed, i think its 3100 with anderson alive now

not sure about dead but id guess 4000ish

[SirLugash]

byne wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Hey guys.
Just a short question:
Pre-EC Anderson on the Citadel represented 1000 EMS points (you needed 4000 EMS for the breath scene when Anderson was not shot by TIM and 5000 when TIM shot him).
Is this still the case after EC ?

Sorry to bring this up again, but this thread is moving to fast ^^

RavenEyry wrote...
I think it does still have an affect but the totals needed changed.

Yes I know that, but I wanted to know whether there is still this huge amount of points associated to Anderson just for surviving a few seconds longer.
For me it plays in favour for IT.

Kyrene wrote...
Don't think so, as the breath scene now only requires 3100 EMS.

I heard of 4100.
Could it be that it's 3100 when you prevent Anderson from getting shot by TIM and 4100 when TIM kills Anderson ?

Well, I know for a fact 3100 is enough if you save Anderson, as I just did it with 3300 a few days ago. I dont know if not saving him makes it higher though.

Would have have a save file and the time to try and let TIM shoot him and see whether the breath scene plays ?

[Bill Casey]

estebanus wrote...

Okay, let's compare David Archer to god-emperor Shepard, shall we?

In the control ending, Shepard grips unto ("Gets attached to", if you will) to electric handles, after which his/her body disintegrates, and an AI is created using Shepard's essence. The AI replaces the catalyst and interfaces directly with the reapers, allowing it to control them.

Now, Project overlord.

In Project overlord, the idea was to allow a human mind to interface with the geth by attaching a person to a VI, thus creating an AI, more or less. To do this, they needed a person with extraodinary mathematical skills, who could process the complex mathematical formulas that a computer could solve. The entire goal of the project was however not to attach the human with a computer, but to allow this human's mind to interface with the geth through the computer, thus allowing this person (Or rather his mind) to control them. 

See the similarities?

Noone is arguing control themes aren't present in Overlord...
However, some are arguing synthesis themes are not...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[estebanus]

Samtheman63 wrote...

EMS got nerfed, i think its 3100 with anderson alive now

not sure about dead but id guess 4000ish

3000 for synthesis, 3100 for high EMS destroy with alive Anderson. Not sure about dead Anderson, though.

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

"Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with synthetic technology."

"intergrating" is a word that can mean many things. Integrate can also mean bringing 2 groups together, uniting 2 groups or bringing together 2 things. It does not necessarily mean that the organics are no longer organic, or that the synthetics are no longer synthetic.

"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us."

Organics are completely separate from synthetics? I think someone needs to play the game again.

I admit I haven't played ME3 ever since the release of the extended cut. However, I do notice something interesting in that quote:

"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us."

Look at the bolded part. It sort of proves me right. Everyone keeps their current form. The organics stay organic, the synthetics stay synthetic.


And as I said earlier, the way I interpretated "connected to all of us" was that everyone would be connected to everyone, much like the Helios ending in Deus Ex 2.

However, connected does not mean that they become one and the same entity. You and I are also connected (we're connected through the internet for example, allowing us to communicate right here right now), yet we're different persons.

[estebanus]

Bill Casey wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Okay, let's compare David Archer to god-emperor Shepard, shall we?

In the control ending, Shepard grips unto ("Gets attached to", if you will) to electric handles, after which his/her body disintegrates, and an AI is created using Shepard's essence. The AI replaces the catalyst and interfaces directly with the reapers, allowing it to control them.

Now, Project overlord.

In Project overlord, the idea was to allow a human mind to interface with the geth by attaching a person to a VI, thus creating an AI, more or less. To do this, they needed a person with extraodinary mathematical skills, who could process the complex mathematical formulas that a computer could solve. The entire goal of the project was however not to attach the human with a computer, but to allow this human's mind to interface with the geth through the computer, thus allowing this person (Or rather his mind) to control them. 

See the similarities?

Noone is arguing control themes aren't present in Overlord...
However, some are arguing synthesis themes are not...

I think that the reason for this is that at most, synthesis itself plays a very minor role in project overlord.

[Restrider]

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[Bill Casey]

estebanus wrote...

I think that the reason for this is that at most, synthesis itself plays a very minor role in project overlord.

It plays a major role...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[Humakt83]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

And he also says it connects the reapers to everyone...

The Starbrat doesn't say any of the sort. You're just making stuff up. And you dare to accuse me of lying?

http://www.youtube.c...VEOMTHU0#t=657s

Well I always thought he meant to say that everyone is connected to everyone, much like the Helios ending in Deus Ex 2.

But yeah, I can see now that you can also intepreate "all of us" as "all of the reapers". It's a bit ambiguous.

On purpose. "Child" is trying to deceive the player after all.

[estebanus]

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

[masster blaster]

Bill Casey wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Okay, let's compare David Archer to god-emperor Shepard, shall we?

In the control ending, Shepard grips unto ("Gets attached to", if you will) to electric handles, after which his/her body disintegrates, and an AI is created using Shepard's essence. The AI replaces the catalyst and interfaces directly with the reapers, allowing it to control them.

Now, Project overlord.

In Project overlord, the idea was to allow a human mind to interface with the geth by attaching a person to a VI, thus creating an AI, more or less. To do this, they needed a person with extraodinary mathematical skills, who could process the complex mathematical formulas that a computer could solve. The entire goal of the project was however not to attach the human with a computer, but to allow this human's mind to interface with the geth through the computer, thus allowing this person (Or rather his mind) to control them. 

See the similarities?

Noone is arguing control themes aren't present in Overlord...
However, some are arguing synthesis themes are not...

Look it's both. I saw Control, ans Synthesis in overlord.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

[byne]

SirLugash wrote...

byne wrote...

Well, I know for a fact 3100 is enough if you save Anderson, as I just did it with 3300 a few days ago. I dont know if not saving him makes it higher though.

Would have have a save file and the time to try and let TIM shoot him and see whether the breath scene plays ?

I've got the file right before the assault on TIM's base, but I played a lot of MP since then so my readiness isnt 50% anymore. I have too much EMS now.

[masster blaster]

http://isocrates.hub...rination-Theory

Hey did we ever look at this artical?

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[masster blaster]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

This^

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

byne wrote...

Well, I know for a fact 3100 is enough if you save Anderson, as I just did it with 3300 a few days ago. I dont know if not saving him makes it higher though.

Would have have a save file and the time to try and let TIM shoot him and see whether the breath scene plays ?

I've got the file right before the assault on TIM's base, but I played a lot of MP since then so my readiness isnt 50% anymore. I have too much EMS now.

Start the game, disconnect from the internet, launch the assault on the base.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

This^

Oh come on. The meaning of the two things are completely different. In the overlord picture, Shepard isn't some kinda abomination on life, unlike the upper one. He is being controlled by his own omnitool that has been taken over by the AI. The AI didn't turn him into a product of synthesis.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

*snip*

This^

That image doesn't prove anything. Prothean biotics and technology are also green. When Javik uses his biotic abilities his eyes also turn green. Does that mean the Protheans chose synthesis? We all know they didn't. They hated synthetics, especially Javik.

Edit: Also what Megumi said.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[Home run MF]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

"Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with synthetic technology."

"intergrating" is a word that can mean many things. Integrate can also mean bringing 2 groups together, uniting 2 groups or bringing together 2 things. It does not necessarily mean that the organics are no longer organic, or that the synthetics are no longer synthetic.

"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us."

Organics are completely separate from synthetics? I think someone needs to play the game again.

I admit I haven't played ME3 ever since the release of the extended cut. However, I do notice something interesting in that quote:

"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us."

Look at the bolded part. It sort of proves me right. Everyone keeps their current form. The organics stay organic, the synthetics stay synthetic.


And as I said earlier, the way I interpretated "connected to all of us" was that everyone would be connected to everyone, much like the Helios ending in Deus Ex 2.

However, connected does not mean that they become one and the same entity. You and I are also connected (we're connected through the internet for example, allowing us to communicate right here right now), yet we're different persons.

I see you conveniently discard the word fully.

The catalyst it's talking about the previous civilizations not the current ones. He is basically telling you everyone will be connected to the Reapers.

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

Exactly. A synthesis is when something is molded together into one shape. From two things, something new is created. At most, the VI David is attached to could be seen as a prosthetic; something which is attached to his body, but isn't itself an actual part of it. 

EDIT: Top!

Modifié par estebanus, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

The catalyst it's talking about the previous civilizations not the current ones. He is basically telling you everyone will be connected to the Reapers.

That's just your  personal interpretion of it. Like I said, what he said is kinda ambiguous.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:40 .