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[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

This^

Oh come on. The meaning of the two things are completely different. In the overlord picture, Shepard isn't some kinda abomination on life, unlike the upper one. He is being controlled by his own omnitool that has been taken over by the AI. The AI didn't turn him into a product of synthesis.

No I mean it looks the same. Yes they are diffrent, but it just reminds me who is in Control in Synthesis? If you don't think literaly.

[archangel1996]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

An organic became a God for the Synthetics, Synthesis was there, in an ambiguos form(more ambiguos) but it was there

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

No I mean it looks the same. Yes they are diffrent, but it just reminds me who is in Control in Synthesis? If you don't think literaly.

Everyone is in control in synthesis.

Shepard was also still in control of himself during that event in Project Overlord.

[The Heretic of Time]

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

An organic became a God for the Synthetics, Synthesis was there, in an ambiguos form(more ambiguos) but it was there

Last time I checked, "an organic becoming a god for the synthetics" was the the theme of the CONTROL ending, not the Synthesis ending. Synthesis has NOTHING to do with it, not even in an ambiguous way.

[archangel1996]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

This^

Oh come on. The meaning of the two things are completely different. In the overlord picture, Shepard isn't some kinda abomination on life, unlike the upper one. He is being controlled by his own omnitool that has been taken over by the AI. The AI didn't turn him into a product of synthesis.

No I mean it looks the same. Yes they are diffrent, but it just reminds me who is in Control in Synthesis? If you don't think literaly.

The design of the Shadow Broker ship, the dead bodies of the Collector ship, the eyes of Saren and TIM when Shep choose Synthesis and Control and this.......To me all of those are Shepard's memories

[masster blaster]

http://www.youtube.c...UgSPUkAss#t=67s

Guys did you notice in the Omega trailer Arias fleets are coming out of a relay. Are they going to Omega, the battle of Earth, or going to help recover Shepard?

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[archangel1996]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

An organic became a God for the Synthetics, Synthesis was there, in an ambiguos form(more ambiguos) but it was there

Last time I checked, "an organic becoming a god for the synthetics" was the the theme of the CONTROL ending, not the Synthesis ending. Synthesis has NOTHING to do with it, not even in an ambiguous way.

The Catalyst is organic?

[The Heretic of Time]

They're obviously going to Omega, but we'll know for certain tomorrow.

[spotlessvoid]

Just going to skip the last two pages of bull****

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

[estebanus]

archangel1996 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

This^

Oh come on. The meaning of the two things are completely different. In the overlord picture, Shepard isn't some kinda abomination on life, unlike the upper one. He is being controlled by his own omnitool that has been taken over by the AI. The AI didn't turn him into a product of synthesis.

No I mean it looks the same. Yes they are diffrent, but it just reminds me who is in Control in Synthesis? If you don't think literaly.

The design of the Shadow Broker ship, the dead bodies of the Collector ship, the eyes of Saren and TIM when Shep choose Synthesis and Control and this.......To me all of those are Shepard's memories

And what If Shepard never decided to do project overlord and LOTSB? What then?

[Rifneno]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

There are no synthesis themes in Project Overlord.

And again, you are lying to my face...
You're trolling...

I have to agree with Heretic_Hanar here, Bill Casey. I've necer seen any intentional Synthesis themes in the Project Overlord DLC. Accidentally, perhaps, but not intentionally.

Good thing we have LDS here to tell us what the designers intended.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If you argue that way I can also say the Normandy SR1 is an example of synthesis as it's the synthesis of Humand and Turian technology.

Is estebanus around? I want to hear "Megumi's an ITer again." I could really use a laugh tonight.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Synthesis is the creation of something new by combining two different things, or the artificial creation of something.
If you don't want this definition you have to redefine the word for this topic, but if you do you have to keep in mind to create a clear base, because sometimes the usual definition here doesn't entail what you just wrote.

Yes, because the dictionary definition that includes everything from the way sweaters are made to sexual reproduction is the exact same thing as merging man and machine. You're playing word games because you know you don't have a leg to stand on with this. It's just more of your passive-aggressive drivel.

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

Exactly. A synthesis is when something is molded together into one shape. From two things, something new is created. At most, the VI David is attached to could be seen as a prosthetic; something which is attached to his body, but isn't itself an actual part of it.

EDIT: Top!

I feel stupider just for having read that. Did you people just spam the skip dialogue key all the way through overlord? Or did you not hear David refered to as hybrid intelligence like a dozen ****ing times? Was the green circuitry and eyes all over the place too subtle a connection for you?

[archangel1996]

estebanus wrote...
And what If Shepard never decided to do project overlord and LOTSB? What then?

I think that's canon but i am not sure

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[The Heretic of Time]

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It plays a major role...

No it doesn't. Control does. The main point of project overlord isn't synthesis, but control. Synthesis is only alluded to by a minor margin.

Actaully it's half.

No, it's 100% Control and 0% Synthesis. Nothing got synthesised in Project Overlord. David Archer was still 100% organic and himself when ge got disconnected from the VI interface.

An organic became a God for the Synthetics, Synthesis was there, in an ambiguos form(more ambiguos) but it was there

Last time I checked, "an organic becoming a god for the synthetics" was the the theme of the CONTROL ending, not the Synthesis ending. Synthesis has NOTHING to do with it, not even in an ambiguous way.

The Catalyst is organic?

The VI in Project Overlord is organic?


This is not about Davids or Shepards body. It's about their minds, their conciousness. In Project Overlord Davids mind is used to give the VI his conciousness to control the geth. In the Control ending Shepards mind is used to give the Catalyst his conciousness to control the Reapers.

[spotlessvoid]

Oh look, estebanus agrees with the troll, how unexpected.

Whoever skips major narrative DLC can stfu about their story being incomplete

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Just going to skip the last two pages of bull****

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

A synthesis is irreversible. A synthesis is when two different things form something new. If one of those things vanishes, it's not a synthesis. 
If this thing is hooked to him, then it's simply a prosthesis. Say for example when I get my hand cut of and I get a prostetic one instead. The thing itself works as a good replacement, but it's not a part of me. It's not something that defines me, since it's only a replacement. 

A synthesis is not a replacement. It's part of you, in and of itself. It can't be taken away from you. It will always be a part of you.

[The Heretic of Time]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

Yeah, about that...

[estebanus]

archangel1996 wrote...

estebanus wrote...
And what If Shepard never decided to do project overlord and LOTSB? What then?

I think that's canon but i am not sure

Well, in ME3, there is actually alternative dialogue regarding if you finished LOTSB, Overlord, and Arrival.

[BleedingUranium]

I think the reason some people aren't getting the Overlord = Synthesis thing is because they're having trouble with themes and things that are metaphors and symbolic. Megumi's refusal to see the Stargazer scene as an out of narrative message to the players and insistence on using very strict definitions of words fit this. Estebanus seems to be having this problem a bit too.

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Just going to skip the last two pages of bull****

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

A synthesis is irreversible. A synthesis is when two different things form something new. If one of those things vanishes, it's not a synthesis. 
If this thing is hooked to him, then it's simply a prosthesis. Say for example when I get my hand cut of and I get a prostetic one instead. The thing itself works as a good replacement, but it's not a part of me. It's not something that defines me, since it's only a replacement. 

A synthesis is not a replacement. It's part of you, in and of itself. It can't be taken away from you. It will always be a part of you.

No.

[The Heretic of Time]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh look, estebanus agrees with the troll, how unexpected.

Whoever skips major narrative DLC can stfu about their story being incomplete

Except their story is complete. If you skip LOTSB and PO then you still have a complete story in ME3. The narrative nicely adapts in that case and tells you that Liara killed the Shadowbroker all by herself if Shepard never did that mission and David never got unhooked from the Project Overlord and eventually died if Shepard never did that mission.

So yeah, why don't you just shut the f*ck up yourself?

[byne]

Good lord are we still talking about Overlord? Cant we just agree to disagree?

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh look, estebanus agrees with the troll, how unexpected.

Whoever skips major narrative DLC can stfu about their story being incomplete

Step nr.1: Understand what a troll is. 

Step nr.2: Stop forcing your own game experience down other peoples'  throats. 

Step nr. 3: Be open about other peoples' opinions. 

Step nr.4: Don't act like a little baby. 

Step nr.5: Stop hurling insults at other people.

After completing those 5 steps, return and resume the discussion.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Good lord are we still talking about Overlord? Cant we just agree to disagree?

No.  We're too busy making up arbitrary rules for words to support our poor observational skills.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think the reason some people aren't getting the Overlord = Synthesis thing is because they're having trouble with themes and things that are metaphors and symbolic. Megumi's refusal to see the Stargazer scene as an out of narrative message to the players and insistence on using very strict definitions of words fit this. Estebanus seems to be having this problem a bit too.

I think the reason why we "aren't getting" the Overlord = Synthesis thing and "refusing" the "Stargazer = scene out of narrative message" thing is because it's just speculative bullsh*t made up by a bunch of conspiracy theorists. There are most certainly some people here who have a problem, but I can assure you that it isn't Megumi, Estebanus or me.

[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Just going to skip the last two pages of bull****

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

A synthesis is irreversible. A synthesis is when two different things form something new. If one of those things vanishes, it's not a synthesis. 
If this thing is hooked to him, then it's simply a prosthesis. Say for example when I get my hand cut of and I get a prostetic one instead. The thing itself works as a good replacement, but it's not a part of me. It's not something that defines me, since it's only a replacement. 

A synthesis is not a replacement. It's part of you, in and of itself. It can't be taken away from you. It will always be a part of you.

No.

Yes.