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[archangel1996]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The VI in Project Overlord is organic?


This is not about Davids or Shepards body. It's about their minds, their conciousness. In Project Overlord Davids mind is used to give the VI his conciousness to control the geth. In the Control ending Shepards mind is used to give the Catalyst his conciousness to control the Reapers.

Sorry here is night and i am half asleep but i think you just confirmed what i sayed before Shepard becomes something else when he/she choose, he becomes a Syntehtic
David is an organic WHO is capable to control Synthetics, infact during the mission of Grissom Accademy we see that he has still some Synthetic attitude
I am not saying that he is Synthesis, i am saying that he is something like the first stage of it

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Step nr.4: Don't act like a little baby. 

Step nr.5: Stop hurling insults at other people.

Ummm...

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think the reason some people aren't getting the Overlord = Synthesis thing is because they're having trouble with themes and things that are metaphors and symbolic. Megumi's refusal to see the Stargazer scene as an out of narrative message to the players and insistence on using very strict definitions of words fit this. Estebanus seems to be having this problem a bit too.

I think the reason why we "aren't getting" the Overlord = Synthesis thing and "refusing" the "Stargazer = scene out of narrative message" thing is because it's just speculative bullsh*t made up by a bunch of conspiracy theorists. There are most certainly some people here who have a problem, but I can assure you that it isn't Megumi, Estebanus or me.

There's no reason to act like that, Hanar. No need to insult other people.

[Home run MF]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

The catalyst it's talking about the previous civilizations not the current ones. He is basically telling you everyone will be connected to the Reapers.

That's just your  personal interpretion of it. Like I said, what he said is kinda ambiguous.

"The war is over, and the Reapers are helping to rebuild. Where once they threatened us with extinction ...they now bring us the collective knowledge of the cultures that came before."

"As the line between synthetic and organic disappears, we may transcend mortality itself...to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine."  why does this line sound familiar? Ah yes "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own. You cannot even imagine it."

So yes in synthesis organics and synthetics are not changed or connected in any way they just share information through bluetooth.

[spotlessvoid]

Estebanus your hypocrisy is astounding. Hanar readily admitted to trolling for months, then all of a sudden he decides to resort only to slight jabs and pokes...now he isn't a troll?

And YOU are telling someone to be polite? You?

You going to post a pic of a gun and tell me to remove myself from the gene pool, or is that the old estebanus of a few weeks ago?

[hukbum]

masster blaster wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...UgSPUkAss#t=67s

Guys did you notice in the Omega trailer Arias fleets are coming out of a relay. Are they going to Omega, the battle of Earth, or going to help recover Shepard?

Looks like the Omega battle to me. But we'll see tomorrow, or today (in my case).

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Estebanus your hypocrisy is astounding. Hanar readily admitted to trolling for months, then all of a sudden he decides to resort only to slight jabs and pokes...now he isn't a troll?

And YOU are telling someone to be polite? You?

You going to post a pic of a gun and tell me to remove myself from the gene pool, or is that the old estebanus of a few weeks ago?

A person trolls when he acts in a trolling behaviour. Yes, earlier on he did troll you, but is he doing so now? No. How about you judge him by the merits he's acting by right now than by those he acted as before? 

Not only that, but you essentially just admitted to being no better than me. I was acting like an ass, so you can too? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? That it?

Modifié par estebanus, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[archangel1996]

Good god this is ridiculous

[The Heretic of Time]

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The VI in Project Overlord is organic?


This is not about Davids or Shepards body. It's about their minds, their conciousness. In Project Overlord Davids mind is used to give the VI his conciousness to control the geth. In the Control ending Shepards mind is used to give the Catalyst his conciousness to control the Reapers.

Sorry here is night and i am half asleep but i think you just confirmed what i sayed before Shepard becomes something else when he/she choose, he becomes a Syntehtic
David is an organic WHO is capable to control Synthetics,

The only difference between Project Overlord and the Control ending is that David still has his organic body and still is capable of disconnecting from the geth consensus.

Meanwhile, the only similarity between Project Overlord and Synthetis is that in synthesis the organic minds are getting connected to the synthetics.


Synthesis and Project Overlord only have 1 small thing in common, while Project Overlord and Control have TONS OF THINGS in common.

infact during the mission of Grissom Accademy we see that he has still some Synthetic attitude

David was always like that, even before Project Overlord. So it's not a result from the project or anything, it's just how he is.

I am not saying that he is Synthesis, i am saying that he is something like the first stage of it

No it's not the first stage of it. What we see in Deus Ex Human Revolution would be the first stage of Synthesis.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think the reason some people aren't getting the Overlord = Synthesis thing is because they're having trouble with themes and things that are metaphors and symbolic. Megumi's refusal to see the Stargazer scene as an out of narrative message to the players and insistence on using very strict definitions of words fit this. Estebanus seems to be having this problem a bit too.

I would, and did pre EC.

[N7L4D]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[spotlessvoid]

6 months + of overt trolling vs a month or so of passive aggressive trolling. Hmmmmmmm


And if you are suggesting we ignore past behavior and only focus on the now.....well then you are without doubt a troll as well

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Just going to skip the last two pages of bull****

Overlord is a warning against what happens when a human mind is merged with a synthetic mind. It doesn't have to be permanent to be synthesis. It's a warning against controlling things more powerful than you, but it is, without any doubt, a dire warning of what can happen when the line between man and machine gets blurred.

Just because he can be unhooked doesn't mean it isn't synthesis while he is.

A synthesis is irreversible. A synthesis is when two different things form something new. If one of those things vanishes, it's not a synthesis. 
If this thing is hooked to him, then it's simply a prosthesis. Say for example when I get my hand cut of and I get a prostetic one instead. The thing itself works as a good replacement, but it's not a part of me. It's not something that defines me, since it's only a replacement. 

A synthesis is not a replacement. It's part of you, in and of itself. It can't be taken away from you. It will always be a part of you.

No.

Yes.

Allow me to rephrase.  Stop making up nonexistent rules to words to suit your viewpoint.  Go pick up a copy of Oxford and tell me where it says synthesis must be completely irreversible.  Spoiler warning: it doesn't.

[umadcommander]

so, it has come to this

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think the reason some people aren't getting the Overlord = Synthesis thing is because they're having trouble with themes and things that are metaphors and symbolic. Megumi's refusal to see the Stargazer scene as an out of narrative message to the players and insistence on using very strict definitions of words fit this. Estebanus seems to be having this problem a bit too.

I think the reason why we "aren't getting" the Overlord = Synthesis thing and "refusing" the "Stargazer = scene out of narrative message" thing is because it's just speculative bullsh*t made up by a bunch of conspiracy theorists. There are most certainly some people here who have a problem, but I can assure you that it isn't Megumi, Estebanus or me.

There's no reason to act like that, Hanar. No need to insult other people.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to be insulting, just pointing out something I noticed. IT requires symbolic and metaphorical thinking and viewing of events. If you want to look at cold hard facts and nothing else in literature, that could be the problem.

Even if Overlord isn't the exact same as ending Synthesis, the point is it's supposed to remnd you of it. You can go on about it being a different process, or having different results or motives, but then you're being too picky.

It's the same way you shouldn't think it possible to control the Reapers because of the countless times throughout Mass Effect you've been shown and told control doesn't work and leads to disaster. "But I'm not the Quarians and the Reapers aren't the Geth" would be a good real life arguement, but that's a terrible arguement in a work of fiction. That's ignoring themes.

[ZerebusPrime]

I was honestly hoping to see the thread discussing the Omega DLC trailer...

[archangel1996]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The VI in Project Overlord is organic?


This is not about Davids or Shepards body. It's about their minds, their conciousness. In Project Overlord Davids mind is used to give the VI his conciousness to control the geth. In the Control ending Shepards mind is used to give the Catalyst his conciousness to control the Reapers.

Sorry here is night and i am half asleep but i think you just confirmed what i sayed before Shepard becomes something else when he/she choose, he becomes a Syntehtic
David is an organic WHO is capable to control Synthetics,

The only difference between Project Overlord and the Control ending is that David still has his organic body and still is capable of disconnecting from the geth consensus.

Meanwhile, the only similarity between Project Overlord and Synthetis is that in synthesis the organic minds are getting connected to the synthetics.


Synthesis and Project Overlord only have 1 small thing in common, while Project Overlord and Control have TONS OF THINGS in common.

infact during the mission of Grissom Accademy we see that he has still some Synthetic attitude

David was always like that, even before Project Overlord. So it's not a result from the project or anything, it's just how he is.

I am not saying that he is Synthesis, i am saying that he is something like the first stage of it

No it's not the first stage of it. What we see in Deus Ex Human Revolution would be the first stage of Synthesis.

Are you serious? When in the blue hell did i say Synthesis and Overlord are the same?

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Estebanus your hypocrisy is astounding. Hanar readily admitted to trolling for months, then all of a sudden he decides to resort only to slight jabs and pokes...now he isn't a troll?

And YOU are telling someone to be polite? You?

You going to post a pic of a gun and tell me to remove myself from the gene pool, or is that the old estebanus of a few weeks ago?

A person trolls when he acts in a trolling behaviour. Yes, earlier on he did troll you, but is he doing so now? No. How about you judge him by the merits he's acting by right now than by those he acted as before?

And how about we all come down. Look you have done what Spot is doing, and so have I, heck almost all of us have done a far share of judge people as they acted before. Also I tried to defend Hanar that he likes IT now, but you Estebauns, say he doesn't. He may not believe in IT, but at least he accepts it, even though he can't see it happening, as do you/ many others.

[umadcommander]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I was honestly hoping to see the thread discussing the Omega DLC trailer...

yeah it seems i was mistaken 

[spotlessvoid]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I was honestly hoping to see the thread discussing the Omega DLC trailer...

We did. There isn't much to discuss..plus, it's out tomorrow

[byne]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I was honestly hoping to see the thread discussing the Omega DLC trailer...

We discussed it earlier. I guess you missed the part of the day where everyone is nice to each other and arent constantly arguing.

[masster blaster]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I was honestly hoping to see the thread discussing the Omega DLC trailer...

we did earlier, but there is really not much to speculate on.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

6 months + of overt trolling vs a month or so of passive aggressive trolling. Hmmmmmmm


And if you are suggesting we ignore past behavior and only focus on the now.....well then you are without doubt a troll as well

How quaint you should say that. In your opinion, what is a troll? Is a troll somebody who simply disagrees with you, or is a troll someone who aims to be aggravating and to get reactions out of other people? 

If the latter is what you think a troll is, then you and Rifneno both currently fit under that categorization.

[IronSabbath88]

Oh joy. The thread has turned into another bash fest again.

I really don't get it. If you don't like what we say here then why post in the thread at all? I mean it can't be hard to just ignore this thread's existence, right?

Bah. Stupid.

[The Heretic of Time]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Estebanus your hypocrisy is astounding. Hanar readily admitted to trolling for months, then all of a sudden he decides to resort only to slight jabs and pokes...now he isn't a troll?

I am indeed not a troll anymore. Trolling gets boring after a while and I think having normal polite discussions can also be really fun. If you take offense by my slight jabs and pokes sometimes than all I can say is; too bad for you. I think a slight jab or poke from time to time is acceptable. I'm most certainly not as rude as some others are in this thread.