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[CoolioThane]

How was TIM being indoctrinated the big reveal?
HE WAS CLEARLY INDOCTRINATED throughout the whole bloody game

[RavenEyry]

EXMEFan wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If they didn't want Shepard to use the crucible, why bring them up to the control area?

Because they don't control what happens in the crucible

The lift was on the citadel.

EDIT: As was the choice-o-matic. As was the 'catalyst'.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 27 novembre 2012 - 08:04 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

RavenEyry wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If they didn't want Shepard to use the crucible, why bring them up to the control area?

Because they don't control what happens in the crucible

The lift was on the citadel.

I would like to see how he argues this point 

[cavs25]

A lot of people in here are losing sight of what the indoctrination theory is...
Shepard is on Earth
Everything that happens after getting hit with the laser is an illusion all in Shepard's head
He is not on the citadel
and neither are TIM or Anderson
They are representations of Shepard's mind.
Godchild is Harbinger last attempt at taking Shepard's mind by presenting him the control and synthesis option. Destroy is Shepard's will creating the option to break free from it all.
Why you get destroy on low EMS is because even with hope the fleet has no chance of beating the reapers, so they just let Shepard break indoctrination because he is going to die either way or something like that.
Thats what some people believed when the question was asked.

[EXMEFan]

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

The game played the Indoctrination card with The Illusive man, he was at his breaking point, he was visually at his breaking point.....you help the Illusive Man break his indoctrination, because he could have easily just took the elevator, and activated the crucible himself and used the Reapers to destroy all the races but Human Kind....

Would the Reapers rather have The Illusive Man, who is easy to manipulate, than Shepard?

See, you guys Theory fails....

Reapers would have wanted the Illusive Man, not Shepard

 No Because TIM would have enslaved them given the chance.  They want Shepard because they want a hero of humanity to fall.  To betray his people.  Remember the indoctrination codex about how if indoctrination takes hold of a leader the effects can be devastating?  TIM is insignificant to the reapers because he does not represent humanity.  Shepard does.

Then why was The Illusive Man indoctrinated in the first place? Why was he still being indoctrinated and lead to go up to the crucible until the moment Shepard showed up?

See how you don't make sense at all?  THEY INDOCTRINATED HIM! HE WAS ACTIVELY INDOCTRINATED and broke out of it with the help of Shepard,   IF they didnt want The Illusive Man they would have never indoctrinated him....plain and simple.

Lmfao you guys do not make sense.  And the Illusive Man LOVED humanity, but he HATES all the other races.  He would do anything it takes.

He was just like Saren, if they thought Saren was perfect, then certainly they would have loved to have the Illusive Man, in which they did, that was the whole reason of him turning on Shepard.

The indoctrination card was played on the Illusive Man, the big reveal was that TIM was indoctrinated, thats why he was acting differently than he was in Mass Effect 2.

They knew by dividing up humanity, they could win Earth.

You guy do not understand the story at all.

oh dear god.  thats not my theory at all but hey ho never mind.  there is no story.  it doesnt make any sense because TIM is not there.  Anderson is not there.  Shepard is not there.  It's an illusion.  It's Harbinger. It's a lie.  It's all a lie.  Indoctrination.  the 3 people on the citadel are ALL representations of Shepard.  Tim (control) Anderson (destroy) trying to push Shepard into synthesis (indoctrination).  /facepalm #indoctrinationFTW

Then there are two theories going on here........

Because at first there were people IN THIS VERY THREAD who said the ending happens, but Shepard is tricked into picking Control or Synthesis....that was the indoctrination..

Now you guys are saying what I had rebutted at first...you said it all was an hallucination, which I came into this thread and said why would Bioware waste time FIXING THE ENDING, IF THE ENDING NEVER EXISTED!?

I proved both versions of the theory wrong.  

And either way it would mean your choice didn't matter, the ending never existed, so you didn't pay for a full game.  And then they fix the ending, only for it not to be the real ending anways?

Doesn't make sense.....

You guys lose, I win.......its funny seeing you guys scramble for answers when you are obviously lost.  I enjoy seeing you guys be wrong time and time again.

It feels good to know I'm right, and  you guys are wrong.  some of you even feel like you are wrong, but you don't want to give up hope yet.  You just hoping something is said, or something gives at least a very clear knod at your theory...but it never shows up.

You guys hang on to press release, heart jumping, hoping something pops up.

Its been 9 months....you guys are losers...and its funny.

Most of the Mass Effect players don't want this ending, and think it would further prove the ending made no sense....and that the writing is bad.

They are not going to side with you nerds on this,  They are gong to leave the ending alone, and focus on the 4th game.

I win

[CoolioThane]

cavs25 wrote...

A lot of people in here are losing sight of what the indoctrination theory is...
Shepard is on Earth
Everything that happens after getting hit with the laser is an illusion all in Shepard's head
He is not on the citadel
and neither are TIM or Anderson
They are representations of Shepard's mind.
Godchild is Harbinger last attempt at taking Shepard's mind by presenting him the control and synthesis option. Destroy is Shepard's will creating the option to break free from it all.
Why you get destroy on low EMS is because even with hope the fleet has no chance of beating the reapers, so they just let Shepard break indoctrination because he is going to die either way or something like that.
Thats what some people believed when the question was asked.

There are many interpretations of the IT. This is one of them.

[dorktainian]

cavs25 wrote...

A lot of people in here are losing sight of what the indoctrination theory is...
Shepard is on Earth
Everything that happens after getting hit with the laser is an illusion all in Shepard's head
He is not on the citadel
and neither are TIM or Anderson
They are representations of Shepard's mind.
Godchild is Harbinger last attempt at taking Shepard's mind by presenting him the control and synthesis option. Destroy is Shepard's will creating the option to break free from it all.
Why you get destroy on low EMS is because even with hope the fleet has no chance of beating the reapers, so they just let Shepard break indoctrination because he is going to die either way or something like that.
Thats what some people believed when the question was asked.

 this one understands

[RavenEyry]

EXMEFan wrote...
I proved both versions of the theory wrong.  

Saying things doesn't make them true.

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...
I proved both versions of the theory wrong.  

Saying things doesn't make them true.

Witnessing them doesn't either if you are indoctrinated.  The truth is subjective.  Plus Shepard has reaper eyes.

[EXMEFan]

RavenEyry wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If they didn't want Shepard to use the crucible, why bring them up to the control area?

Because they don't control what happens in the crucible

The lift was on the citadel.

EDIT: As was the choice-o-matic. As was the 'catalyst'.

The little badly written AI even said the crucible presented him with new solutions....

Reapers gain nothing from any of those options, especially one that includes being destroyed.

If they controlled the lift, the best thing was to just have Shepard sit there until the invasion was over.  If they controlled the lift WHY did the crucible have to be used?

So why do you think the Reapers wanted the crucible to be used?  Because if you choose walk away....wouldn't the Reapers just found somebody else to use the crucible other than continue to destroy the universe again?  Only for Liara's plans to be found by another civilization down the road?

None of what you are saying makes sense.

You are saying the Reapers wanted to lose.  And thats not true, if they controlled the lift, they would have just kept Shepard where was

[RavenEyry]

EXMEFan wrote...

The little badly written AI even said the crucible presented him with new solutions....

Reapers gain nothing from any of those options, especially one that includes being destroyed.

If they controlled the lift, the best thing was to just have Shepard sit there until the invasion was over.  If they controlled the lift WHY did the crucible have to be used?

So why do you think the Reapers wanted the crucible to be used?  Because if you choose walk away....wouldn't the Reapers just found somebody else to use the crucible other than continue to destroy the universe again?  Only for Liara's plans to be found by another civilization down the road?

None of what you are saying makes sense.

You are saying the Reapers wanted to lose.  And thats not true, if they controlled the lift, they would have just kept Shepard where was

The AI says it's in charge of the reapers, so yes, they do want you to use the crucible if you take everything at face value.

[cavs25]

EXMEFan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

The game played the Indoctrination card with The Illusive man, he was at his breaking point, he was visually at his breaking point.....you help the Illusive Man break his indoctrination, because he could have easily just took the elevator, and activated the crucible himself and used the Reapers to destroy all the races but Human Kind....

Would the Reapers rather have The Illusive Man, who is easy to manipulate, than Shepard?

See, you guys Theory fails....

Reapers would have wanted the Illusive Man, not Shepard

 No Because TIM would have enslaved them given the chance.  They want Shepard because they want a hero of humanity to fall.  To betray his people.  Remember the indoctrination codex about how if indoctrination takes hold of a leader the effects can be devastating?  TIM is insignificant to the reapers because he does not represent humanity.  Shepard does.

Then why was The Illusive Man indoctrinated in the first place? Why was he still being indoctrinated and lead to go up to the crucible until the moment Shepard showed up?

See how you don't make sense at all?  THEY INDOCTRINATED HIM! HE WAS ACTIVELY INDOCTRINATED and broke out of it with the help of Shepard,   IF they didnt want The Illusive Man they would have never indoctrinated him....plain and simple.

Lmfao you guys do not make sense.  And the Illusive Man LOVED humanity, but he HATES all the other races.  He would do anything it takes.

He was just like Saren, if they thought Saren was perfect, then certainly they would have loved to have the Illusive Man, in which they did, that was the whole reason of him turning on Shepard.

The indoctrination card was played on the Illusive Man, the big reveal was that TIM was indoctrinated, thats why he was acting differently than he was in Mass Effect 2.

They knew by dividing up humanity, they could win Earth.

You guy do not understand the story at all.

oh dear god.  thats not my theory at all but hey ho never mind.  there is no story.  it doesnt make any sense because TIM is not there.  Anderson is not there.  Shepard is not there.  It's an illusion.  It's Harbinger. It's a lie.  It's all a lie.  Indoctrination.  the 3 people on the citadel are ALL representations of Shepard.  Tim (control) Anderson (destroy) trying to push Shepard into synthesis (indoctrination).  /facepalm #indoctrinationFTW

Then there are two theories going on here........

Because at first there were people IN THIS VERY THREAD who said the ending happens, but Shepard is tricked into picking Control or Synthesis....that was the indoctrination..

Now you guys are saying what I had rebutted at first...you said it all was an hallucination, which I came into this thread and said why would Bioware waste time FIXING THE ENDING, IF THE ENDING NEVER EXISTED!?

I proved both versions of the theory wrong.  

And either way it would mean your choice didn't matter, the ending never existed, so you didn't pay for a full game.  And then they fix the ending, only for it not to be the real ending anways?

Doesn't make sense.....

You guys lose, I win.......its funny seeing you guys scramble for answers when you are obviously lost.  I enjoy seeing you guys be wrong time and time again.

It feels good to know I'm right, and  you guys are wrong.  some of you even feel like you are wrong, but you don't want to give up hope yet.  You just hoping something is said, or something gives at least a very clear knod at your theory...but it never shows up.

You guys hang on to press release, heart jumping, hoping something pops up.

Its been 9 months....you guys are losers...and its funny.

Most of the Mass Effect players don't want this ending, and think it would further prove the ending made no sense....and that the writing is bad.

They are not going to side with you nerds on this,  They are gong to leave the ending alone, and focus on the 4th game.

I win

Dear Mr. Dummy
The indoctrination theory was orinally created to give bioware a chance to hit the reset button on the terrible endings.
The so called CHOICES you are rambling about suked and the whole literal ending abandons all the themes previously explored in Mass Effect: The choice in an IT ending; is that you need to make the right choice to break free from indoctrination
sighh 
Which is why you see a bunch of wake up Shepard banners.
The point of DLC is so that after Shepard wakes up you go and finish the fight.  The crucible could be this giant disruptor shield beam thing and it gives the fleet a chance to take out most of the reapers 
however Bioware wants to do it.
Sorry you are so confused

[dorktainian]

divide and conquer.

[EXMEFan]

dorktainian wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

A lot of people in here are losing sight of what the indoctrination theory is...
Shepard is on Earth
Everything that happens after getting hit with the laser is an illusion all in Shepard's head
He is not on the citadel
and neither are TIM or Anderson
They are representations of Shepard's mind.
Godchild is Harbinger last attempt at taking Shepard's mind by presenting him the control and synthesis option. Destroy is Shepard's will creating the option to break free from it all.
Why you get destroy on low EMS is because even with hope the fleet has no chance of beating the reapers, so they just let Shepard break indoctrination because he is going to die either way or something like that.
Thats what some people believed when the question was asked.

 this one understands

That means Bioware wasted money, and lied to the people when they made the EC DLC

so no, that theory is false by the fact that it was ending DLC made for FREE....if this was bioware's plan, they wouldn't care how mad people got about an ending they planned to never exist. 

They added dialog options for the Star Child, and fleshed out explantions, that would mean I wasted my time, yet again, by downloading the DLC to witness something that doesn't matter.

If they come out and say OH THE ENDING NEVER EXISTED, people will get mad yet again, because that means they keep on lying.

What Bioware has said is that the ending is intended to be just that, the ending.  Thats how they wanted to end the game, thats why they didn't fundemental change the ending, they just tried to explain more of it with the DLC.

You guys are wrong.....

[CoolioThane]

Rape and pillage

[RavenEyry]

cavs25 wrote...

The indoctrination theory was orinally created to give bioware a chance to hit the reset button on the terrible endings.

No, it was created because people thought this was the plan in the first place.

[EXMEFan]

RavenEyry wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

The little badly written AI even said the crucible presented him with new solutions....

Reapers gain nothing from any of those options, especially one that includes being destroyed.

If they controlled the lift, the best thing was to just have Shepard sit there until the invasion was over.  If they controlled the lift WHY did the crucible have to be used?

So why do you think the Reapers wanted the crucible to be used?  Because if you choose walk away....wouldn't the Reapers just found somebody else to use the crucible other than continue to destroy the universe again?  Only for Liara's plans to be found by another civilization down the road?

None of what you are saying makes sense.

You are saying the Reapers wanted to lose.  And thats not true, if they controlled the lift, they would have just kept Shepard where was

The AI says it's in charge of the reapers, so yes, they do want you to use the crucible if you take everything at face value.

Why?  What made them want the crucible to be built after all this time?  They stopped it from being built every time, but this time around the galaxy was united and they couldn't stop it from being built.

So why would they want it used by Shepard?  And if they controlled this whole operation, why would they put a damn destroy us button in there.

Doesn't make sense.  Too many logical flaws in that.

And again, the game never says this, so its not true.

[EXMEFan]

RavenEyry wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

The indoctrination theory was orinally created to give bioware a chance to hit the reset button on the terrible endings.

No, it was created because people thought this was the plan in the first place.

No it was thought by a guy on youtube, who pointed out the flaws in the ending, and thought bioware meant them to be there.  However everything that started the theory was patched in the EC ending.  

Now the rest of you fools are just running along with it.

[RavenEyry]

EXMEFan wrote...

Why?  What made them want the crucible to be built after all this time?  They stopped it from being built every time, but this time around the galaxy was united and they couldn't stop it from being built.

I don't know I'm not the catalyst so don't have special knowledge on it's convoluted motivations.

[dorktainian]

EXMEFan wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

The little badly written AI even said the crucible presented him with new solutions....

Reapers gain nothing from any of those options, especially one that includes being destroyed.

If they controlled the lift, the best thing was to just have Shepard sit there until the invasion was over.  If they controlled the lift WHY did the crucible have to be used?

So why do you think the Reapers wanted the crucible to be used?  Because if you choose walk away....wouldn't the Reapers just found somebody else to use the crucible other than continue to destroy the universe again?  Only for Liara's plans to be found by another civilization down the road?

None of what you are saying makes sense.

You are saying the Reapers wanted to lose.  And thats not true, if they controlled the lift, they would have just kept Shepard where was

The AI says it's in charge of the reapers, so yes, they do want you to use the crucible if you take everything at face value.

Why?  What made them want the crucible to be built after all this time?  They stopped it from being built every time, but this time around the galaxy was united and they couldn't stop it from being built.

So why would they want it used by Shepard?  And if they controlled this whole operation, why would they put a damn destroy us button in there.

Doesn't make sense.  Too many logical flaws in that.

And again, the game never says this, so its not true.

oh dear.

[cavs25]

Bioware threw a bunch of bones to the IT crowd with the EC
Later they came out with DLC all about indoctrination
you know leviathan
The game Bioware is playing here is: We are going to keep hope alive for both sides so they keep buying our DLC
Wether they make an actual IT DLC or not is yet to be seem. I am skeptics about it, and I am not one of those people who believes that Bioware planned the whole IT ending. I believe this was a bunch of incoherent crap that Bioware made and the amazing fans that Bioware has found a way to make it somewhat genius. Wether they take it and run with it is a different story.

[EXMEFan]

cavs25 wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

The game played the Indoctrination card with The Illusive man, he was at his breaking point, he was visually at his breaking point.....you help the Illusive Man break his indoctrination, because he could have easily just took the elevator, and activated the crucible himself and used the Reapers to destroy all the races but Human Kind....

Would the Reapers rather have The Illusive Man, who is easy to manipulate, than Shepard?

See, you guys Theory fails....

Reapers would have wanted the Illusive Man, not Shepard

 No Because TIM would have enslaved them given the chance.  They want Shepard because they want a hero of humanity to fall.  To betray his people.  Remember the indoctrination codex about how if indoctrination takes hold of a leader the effects can be devastating?  TIM is insignificant to the reapers because he does not represent humanity.  Shepard does.

Then why was The Illusive Man indoctrinated in the first place? Why was he still being indoctrinated and lead to go up to the crucible until the moment Shepard showed up?

See how you don't make sense at all?  THEY INDOCTRINATED HIM! HE WAS ACTIVELY INDOCTRINATED and broke out of it with the help of Shepard,   IF they didnt want The Illusive Man they would have never indoctrinated him....plain and simple.

Lmfao you guys do not make sense.  And the Illusive Man LOVED humanity, but he HATES all the other races.  He would do anything it takes.

He was just like Saren, if they thought Saren was perfect, then certainly they would have loved to have the Illusive Man, in which they did, that was the whole reason of him turning on Shepard.

The indoctrination card was played on the Illusive Man, the big reveal was that TIM was indoctrinated, thats why he was acting differently than he was in Mass Effect 2.

They knew by dividing up humanity, they could win Earth.

You guy do not understand the story at all.

oh dear god.  thats not my theory at all but hey ho never mind.  there is no story.  it doesnt make any sense because TIM is not there.  Anderson is not there.  Shepard is not there.  It's an illusion.  It's Harbinger. It's a lie.  It's all a lie.  Indoctrination.  the 3 people on the citadel are ALL representations of Shepard.  Tim (control) Anderson (destroy) trying to push Shepard into synthesis (indoctrination).  /facepalm #indoctrinationFTW

Then there are two theories going on here........

Because at first there were people IN THIS VERY THREAD who said the ending happens, but Shepard is tricked into picking Control or Synthesis....that was the indoctrination..

Now you guys are saying what I had rebutted at first...you said it all was an hallucination, which I came into this thread and said why would Bioware waste time FIXING THE ENDING, IF THE ENDING NEVER EXISTED!?

I proved both versions of the theory wrong.  

And either way it would mean your choice didn't matter, the ending never existed, so you didn't pay for a full game.  And then they fix the ending, only for it not to be the real ending anways?

Doesn't make sense.....

You guys lose, I win.......its funny seeing you guys scramble for answers when you are obviously lost.  I enjoy seeing you guys be wrong time and time again.

It feels good to know I'm right, and  you guys are wrong.  some of you even feel like you are wrong, but you don't want to give up hope yet.  You just hoping something is said, or something gives at least a very clear knod at your theory...but it never shows up.

You guys hang on to press release, heart jumping, hoping something pops up.

Its been 9 months....you guys are losers...and its funny.

Most of the Mass Effect players don't want this ending, and think it would further prove the ending made no sense....and that the writing is bad.

They are not going to side with you nerds on this,  They are gong to leave the ending alone, and focus on the 4th game.

I win

Dear Mr. Dummy
The indoctrination theory was orinally created to give bioware a chance to hit the reset button on the terrible endings.
The so called CHOICES you are rambling about suked and the whole literal ending abandons all the themes previously explored in Mass Effect: The choice in an IT ending; is that you need to make the right choice to break free from indoctrination
sighh 
Which is why you see a bunch of wake up Shepard banners.
The point of DLC is so that after Shepard wakes up you go and finish the fight.  The crucible could be this giant disruptor shield beam thing and it gives the fleet a chance to take out most of the reapers 
however Bioware wants to do it.
Sorry you are so confused

Lmfao this has got to be the dumbest pipe dreamn commment I have ever read....

LMFAO, WAKE UP IT'ers! Thats what the banner needs to be.

Mass Effect wouldn't dare renig on their ending after taking up for it.....Nor would they give you an unfinished or false ending, even going so far as to patch it with free DLC......only to make you pay for the real ending with payed DLC.

You guys are dillusional

and the fact you guys are now throwing 2 theories out shows me you don't even know what you believe......

You guys are making up this ending as if you have Bioware's personal files

You can't explain something the creators HAVE PLANNED before its even out.

What you guys are talking about are plot holes

until something different comes out, you can't just make up a damn theory.....

[EXMEFan]

You guys lost........admit it, you gotta make up story from your head just to take up from your theory. I'm using facts, I'm not just making up something.

[RavenEyry]

EXMEFan wrote...
and the fact you guys are now throwing 2 theories out shows me you don't even know what you believe......

No, it shows that we aren't a hive mind.

The thing about someone's personal interpretation is that it's personal.