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Dwailing wrote...

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I just saw it seems my achievements didn't save :C


I think Leviathan had that problem when it came out because I didn't get achievements for it when I first played it.


I didnt even know the PC version had achievements.

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masster blaster wrote...

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Huh, that's odd. IGN and GameSpot both have not yet released Omega reviews. Given that it's been out for about sixteen hours now, you'd think that at least one of the two (IGN in particular) would have released a review.


weird, is there something else about Omega that we don't know about? Not the mission wise, but after Omega is taken? Or is there something in the files they found, or did something happen to the Retake Earth mission?

The only thing you visibly get is the Chessboard, maybe war assets, didn't check.

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just saw it seems my achievements didn't save :C


I think Leviathan had that problem when it came out because I didn't get achievements for it when I first played it.


I didnt even know the PC version had achievements.

Sure it does, since ME1, and Levi worked fine for me :o

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:26 .


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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just saw it seems my achievements didn't save :C


I think Leviathan had that problem when it came out because I didn't get achievements for it when I first played it.


I didnt even know the PC version had achievements.


It does, it's just that they're completely in-game rather than connected to Xbox Live or the PSN.  No real benefit for getting them on the PC besides bragging rights, though....

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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just saw it seems my achievements didn't save :C


I think Leviathan had that problem when it came out because I didn't get achievements for it when I first played it.


I didnt even know the PC version had achievements.


It does, it's just that they're completely in-game rather than connected to Xbox Live or the PSN.  No real benefit for getting them on the PC besides bragging rights, though....

Isn't that what achievements are all about anyway?

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~ you meet old side characters (though I'm not sure about Maelon, Patriarch, that boy in Garrus RM or Fist  since they were all dead in my playthrough)


Which old side characters did you meet?

Znq Cebcurg naq Uneebg... abg ernyyl fvqr punenpgre gubhtu :)))

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byne wrote...

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lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?

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Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

~ you meet old side characters (though I'm not sure about Maelon, Patriarch, that boy in Garrus RM or Fist  since they were all dead in my playthrough)


Which old side characters did you meet?

Znq Cebcurg naq Uneebg... abg ernyyl fvqr punenpgre gubhtu :)))


Uneebg cvffrq zr bss. Jurer qvq uvf pvtne tb, OvbJner?!

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Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Vibez wrote...

byne wrote...

lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?


Considering that in a full Paragon playthrough she automatically fcnerf crgebifxl without player input, she has no reason to or cvffrq ng gur cynlre.

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Well, I am at least happy that Petrofsky turned out to be like he was in Invasion.
I feared they'd butcher another rather complex character as they did with Kai Leng. Though that butcher business already happend for Leng in Deception afaik.

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Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Vibez wrote...

byne wrote...

lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?


V jnf shyy Cnentba naq fur whfg fgenatyrq uvz sbe n ovg gb 'fubj uvz jung qrngu sryg yvxr,' gura fur fgbccrq. Nsgrejneqf fur fnvq fbzrguvat nobhg ubj nsgre bayl n srj ubhef bs unatvat nebhaq jvgu Furcneq, fur'q tbar nyy fbsg, naq fnvq V jnf yvxr n qvfrnfr.

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I've got to say, one thing I like about this DLC is the change in Aria's attitude depending on if you're paragon or renegade the whole time.

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Hrothdane wrote...

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Vibez wrote...

byne wrote...

lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?


Considering that in a full Paragon playthrough she automatically fcnerf crgebifxl without player input, she has no reason to or cvffrq ng gur cynlre.



Hm... okay. I'm thinking about reloading and go full Renegade at the end since that is my most-renegade character so far. OTHO I just can't throw useful intel away... argh >.< . Ah, well. There are still a lot of Paragon/Renegon characters to come who will be loved or hated respectively. I guess Petrovsky will take one for the team, since I want a Renegade with good relationship to Aria. Reloading it is!

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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Vibez wrote...

byne wrote...

lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?


V jnf shyy Cnentba naq fur whfg fgenatyrq uvz sbe n ovg gb 'fubj uvz jung qrngu sryg yvxr,' gura fur fgbccrq. Nsgrejneqf fur fnvq fbzrguvat nobhg ubj nsgre bayl n srj ubhef bs unatvat nebhaq jvgu Furcneq, fur'q tbar nyy fbsg, naq fnvq V jnf yvxr n qvfrnfr.

btw in your full renegade playthrough was your Shep equally numb? In the trailer it looked a bit different, even if it was maleshep.

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Restrider wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Vibez wrote...

byne wrote...

lol, I like the completely random kiss from Aria after I finished my renegade playthrough.

Also... jnf Nevn na neqng-lnxfuv?

(to decipher spoilers)


I didn't get mine. 

Don't know if it's because I play femshep or full paragon:huh:

Don't use the last interrupt.


There is no last interrupt if you go full paragon. She stops herself. You just dont get a kiss.

I was rather Renegade and fnirq Crgebifxl. Nevn ungrf zr abj. Does that happen in a full Paragon playthrough? I guess not?


Considering that in a full Paragon playthrough she automatically fcnerf crgebifxl without player input, she has no reason to or cvffrq ng gur cynlre.



Hm... okay. I'm thinking about reloading and go full Renegade at the end since that is my most-renegade character so far. OTHO I just can't throw useful intel away... argh >.< . Ah, well. There are still a lot of Paragon/Renegon characters to come who will be loved or hated respectively. I guess Petrovsky will take one for the team, since I want a Renegade with good relationship to Aria. Reloading it is!


Petrovsky is worth like 30 points. Not that valuable, really.

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byne wrote...

I've got to say, one thing I like about this DLC is the change in Aria's attitude depending on if you're paragon or renegade the whole time.

Well... I hated Aria in my first playthrough. For real. Good to know that there is another way for her character to develop, maybe I'll have to edit my review.
OTHO, Renegons who want to get valuable info got staffed. But do choices matter if they are all correct?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw in your full renegade playthrough was your Shep equally numb? In the trailer it looked a bit different, even if it was maleshep.


My Shepard basically didnt react in any way, like she was having trouble processing what was going on. Was pretty funny.

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byne wrote...

Petrovsky is worth like 30 points. Not that valuable, really.

If we start to discuss EMS, a lot of things are not really that valuable. I would've really liked if they just had the EMS hidden.
I really like to pretend that it is important... as we all were guessing what the consequences would be throughout ME1 and 2. I think showing EMS is one of the things that really destroys the illusion of choice next to the endings itself and lack of War Asset cinematics.

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw in your full renegade playthrough was your Shep equally numb? In the trailer it looked a bit different, even if it was maleshep.


My Shepard basically didnt react in any way, like she was having trouble processing what was going on. Was pretty funny.

Yup, mine too, soo cute. Hoped for more, but it was basically like LotSB... it ended at its best moment.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:46 .


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V pna glcr enaqbz abafrafr jbeqf, gbb!

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So I got Harrot's quest but never got a chance to return to him?

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

V pna glcr enaqbz abafrafr jbeqf, gbb!

No, for that you have to be on official Sith business.

(btw anyone else had to laugh any time this was said in kotor?)

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:55 .


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So I got Harrot's quest but never got a chance to return to him?

Doesn't matter, you send him the location when you find the ... item.
Also it's nice the game remembered I had a discount.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:57 .


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Okay, this is rather off-topic, but I thought about a way how ME3 wouldn't have had destroyed the illusion of choice as it is rather often stated that it did:

1. Divide EMS in three different numbers:

- Effective Fleet Strength (EFS)
- Effective Groundforces Strength (EGS)
- Effective Crucible Strength (ECS)

This distribution of EMS was actually already existent in ME3. We had infantry units, tech and scientists, ships and fleets that contributed to different categories, but were all summed up in EMS. This would also render a few interesting points to decisions we make.
Do we save the Quarians, who give mor EFS but crappy EGS and ECS? Or do we go for the Geth that give less EFS but way more EGS and ECS? (this is just an example, mind you!)

2. Interdependence of EFS, EGS and ECS:
EFS may also increase the ECS a little bit, since a stronger fleet can defend the Crucible in the end battle.
EFS may also increase EGS a little bit, since air support is always crucial in groundbattle.
Make this interdepences not totally equal and predictable.

3. Different numbers trigger different events in the last mission:
Low EFS leads to no air support and thus Steve dies, regardless of the amount if interaction he had with Shepard and a evac scene (with a shuttle... not the Normandy plz!) cannot happen.
Low EGS leads to a weak groundforce and this leads to squadmates dying on the beamrun.
ECS triggers the various possibilities regarding the choices at the end.

4. Do not show crude numbers, it destroys the illusion of choice:
Introduce the different concepts (as they were already in the descriptions of the different assets) and give three short text messages that vaguely describe how you are holding up.

What do you guys/gals think about this rather easy concept to implement? I am full aware of the fact that BW is not going to change anything on the EMS system, but it may be an interesting concept for future games.

Modifié par Restrider, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:02 .


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so Omega looks decent but I'm waiting till it goes on sell or price drops completely