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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Speaking of the endings, and the ciradel

leonia42 wrote...

Right, but do you really think Bioware has designed the end-game to be replayed so many times? If they added new sequences altogether that'd be something, maybe new combat sections added each time but a few dialogue changes here or there doesn't seem like much.

So basically I've been wondering for a while about something? It seems to me BW really wants us to replay the ending (EC, Leviathan changing them etc.). Why? I think the most likely option is they want us to play it so many times we don't fall for their trap. To see with each new DLC that it doesn't make any sense. To pick up on the fact that it seems so surreal. What do you think?

I've suspected this since i first learned about indoctrination theory. It's like how re-reading a book several times allows you to pick up on underlying themes and and connections you weren't aware of the first time. And, it's not that farfetched when you consider how many different possibilities there are via paragon/renegade actions, LI routes, etc. There was even that one message that occasionally showed during loading screens in Me2 encouraging you to start new playthroughs.

Exactly, to pick up on whatever people missed.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I hope you are right Banshee, but if the bugets are about to get cut, then they will either revel IT, or keep the endings as they are. Oh and Estebanus did Chris pm you?

Why Estebanus bothered PMing Chris I will never know...

Copyright infringement, perhaps?

Anyway, I've already started writing a script for how it could turn out. Will be finished within the next 2 wekks, I imagine.

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Pie.

Yummy!

Good thing is that the script will not take as long as I feared because my brother will be writing it with me.

I've already got a good idea on how the crucible might work. Oh, and the script will also have leviathan in it.

Modifié par estebanus, 05 août 2012 - 06:57 .


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So does anyone think Bioware may have Leviathan out on tuesday, or will tell us when it comes out, but a day before they will tell us?

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[quote]estebanus wrote...

[/quote]Yummy!

Good thing is that the script will not take as long as I feared because my brother will be writing it with me.

I've already got a good idea on how the crucible might work. Oh, and the script will also have leviathan in it.

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Sounds good, plus I'm gonna go eat some pie now. See you all later. Posted Image

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So Estebanus no pm for Chris yet?

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masster blaster wrote...

So does anyone think Bioware may have Leviathan out on tuesday, or will tell us when it comes out, but a day before they will tell us?

14th is my guess. Don't see it past the 21st.

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masster blaster wrote...

So Estebanus no pm for Chris yet?

Nope. I suppose since it's weekend, he'll be having the day off. I may first get a response tommorow evening, or maybe even day after tomorrow.

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Have you seen the latest person to try and disprove the IT? Its not even worth replying to, the man needs to learn how to use punctuation.

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AxStapleton wrote...

Have you seen the latest person to try and disprove the IT? Its not even worth replying to, the man needs to learn how to use punctuation.

His post gave me cancer.

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RavenEyry wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Have you seen the latest person to try and disprove the IT? Its not even worth replying to, the man needs to learn how to use punctuation.

His post gave me cancer.


My eyes are bleeding.

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Raven let's not go there because he can be lurking around in this thread, and I don't want to start anything again like lastnight.

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Interesting tid-bit regarding Leviathan:

https://twitter.com/...150083834097664

EDIT: Bah, ninja'd a page or so ago. Time for bed then, nothing to see here.

Modifié par leonia42, 05 août 2012 - 07:13 .


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AxStapleton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

Have you seen the latest person to try and disprove the IT? Its not even worth replying to, the man needs to learn how to use punctuation.

His post gave me cancer.


My eyes are bleeding.

And what I don't get is, what is this supposed "indoctrinated theory" he's talking about? I've never heard of a theory being indoctrinated! Is it the control support thread he's talking about? Well, in that case, how about he gives those controllers an M-3 Predator so that they can shoot themselves in the head! That's only way to break indoctrination, or so I hear.

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Speaking of the endings, and the ciradel

leonia42 wrote...

Right, but do you really think Bioware has designed the end-game to be replayed so many times? If they added new sequences altogether that'd be something, maybe new combat sections added each time but a few dialogue changes here or there doesn't seem like much.

So basically I've been wondering for a while about something? It seems to me BW really wants us to replay the ending (EC, Leviathan changing them etc.). Why? I think the most likely option is they want us to play it so many times we don't fall for their trap. To see with each new DLC that it doesn't make any sense. To pick up on the fact that it seems so surreal. What do you think?

I've suspected this since i first learned about indoctrination theory. It's like how re-reading a book several times allows you to pick up on underlying themes and and connections you weren't aware of the first time. And, it's not that farfetched when you consider how many different possibilities there are via paragon/renegade actions, LI routes, etc. There was even that one message that occasionally showed during loading screens in Me2 encouraging you to start new playthroughs.


I'm more of a lurker than a poster on this thread, but I just want to take a moment and comment that I finished replaying the trilogy (for the first time since EC came out), and I just realized the problem with IT. The T. It's not a theory, it is the truth. It is as much of a theory as evolution is a theory. Sure we cannot prove it beyond a doubt, but all the pieces fit into place. Can we just remove the "theory" part off of the titles of this thread and all of those videos? 

I don't need to rehash all of the themes that are consistent throughout the three games (everyone on these three threads has done an excellent job of that), but there is no doubt that the final scenes are a test of Shepard's will regardless of whether they ever come out and say it or release a DLC.

Everyone please keep speculating and posting on this thread. It makes me sick that there are people who wish to be so miserable and angry that they can't see the truth of what is happening in the ending. 

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FifthBeatle wrote...


I'm more of a lurker than a poster on this thread, but I just want to take a moment and comment that I finished replaying the trilogy (for the first time since EC came out), and I just realized the problem with IT. The T. It's not a theory, it is the truth. It is as much of a theory as evolution is a theory. Sure we cannot prove it beyond a doubt, but all the pieces fit into place. Can we just remove the "theory" part off of the titles of this thread and all of those videos? 

I don't need to rehash all of the themes that are consistent throughout the three games (everyone on these three threads has done an excellent job of that), but there is no doubt that the final scenes are a test of Shepard's will regardless of whether they ever come out and say it or release a DLC.

Everyone please keep speculating and posting on this thread. It makes me sick that there are people who wish to be so miserable and angry that they can't see the truth of what is happening in the ending. 


You're going into murky waters as soon as you proclaim it as absolute truth. There is only one group of people who know exactly what the case is, and that's Bioware.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 05 août 2012 - 07:17 .


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FifthBeatle wrote...

Everyone please keep speculating and posting on this thread. It makes me sick that there are people who wish to be so miserable and angry that they can't see the truth of what is happening in the ending. 

I don't mind people being doubtful. It's those who say it's completely wrong because, erm, well, they say so.

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I think he know that AX, but at least he supports IT, heck I think a lot of fans wish IT is true, but it's up to Bioware if they want to get rid of the T can keep the I.

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leonia42 wrote...

Interesting tid-bit regarding Leviathan:

https://twitter.com/...150083834097664

EDIT: Bah, ninja'd a page or so ago. Time for bed then, nothing to see here.

I are catninja :ph34r:

jojon2se wrote...

It adds one tiny wardrobe, with a mailslot inside, to the Citadel. You have to do 20 scan-and-fetch-quests in a row, returning each time to deposit the retreived item, before you get the next planet to scan. Once you're done, the door is locked for the rest of the game. ;P

 
Or:
You do 20 scan and fetch quests, and afterwards it gives you a special prize....

A special weight reduction upgrade for the predator pistol...

Now THAT is how you make a troll feature :D

Seriously though, I can't imagine a context outside the endings that would add new citadel areas. But I guess we'll see.

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

I've suspected this since i first learned about indoctrination theory. It's like how re-reading a book several times allows you to pick up on underlying themes and and connections you weren't aware of the first time. And, it's not that farfetched when you consider how many different possibilities there are via paragon/renegade actions, LI routes, etc. There was even that one message that occasionally showed during loading screens in Me2 encouraging you to start new playthroughs.

 
Well yeah, I do think they are doing that - I think they'll make the ending more "suspicious" with each iteration too, and eventually everyone will be forced into the "holy ****, was that all a trick?" realisation.

masster blaster wrote...

So does anyone think Bioware may have Leviathan out on tuesday, or will tell us when it comes out, but a day before they will tell us?

 
This tuesday? Probably not.
Next tuesday? Probably not.
The tuesday after? Maybe.

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Rosewind wrote...

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So I guess everyone wanted Zaeed back, well I did to. Zaeed my not be a major character, but he is funny as hell. And he is a bad ***. I need more people like Zaeed.

Any way I am at Ihop right now, so I will get back to this in a bit.

Yes my wallfes are here. Time to eat.


Zaeed and Kasumi never should of been DLC characters, they were much more intresting then most of the ME2 crew even their missions were awesome. Kasummi I can live with not being in the crew but come on Zaeed who doesn't like Zaeed. I always have this image of him fathering Grunt lol and playing poker with Garrus.

I let him burn :3

It's also interesting how similar his mission is compared to Anderson describes his mission with Saren.

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TSA_383 wrote...

A special weight reduction upgrade for the predator pistol...

Or a predator that reloads like a carnifex. That would be more trolly for us.

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TSA_383 wrote...

I are catninja :ph34r:


Gentlecat by day.
Catninja by night.:D

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That "the indoctrinated theory is false" thread barely lasted the first 2 pages before it got locked.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 05 août 2012 - 07:31 .


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AxStapleton wrote...

That "the indoctrinated theory is false" thread barely lasted the first 2 pages before it got locked.

Hah, magnificent.
Link?

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Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I let him burn :3

D:<

Modifié par estebanus, 05 août 2012 - 07:32 .