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[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

Though some of the voices say things like "don't trust the child" and "stay away", don't they?

No.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Though some of the voices say things like "don't trust the child" and "stay away", don't they?

No.

Oh shut the hell up.  No one knows for sure what the whispers are.

[Andromidius]

No yourself. I'm not going to talk to you anymore until you grow up a bit and stop being so surly and anti.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Though some of the voices say things like "don't trust the child" and "stay away", don't they?

No.

Oh shut the hell up.  No one knows for sure what the whispers are.

No.
He was talking about the squadmates. What they say is pretty clear.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[dorktainian]

hehe

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

No yourself. I'm not going to talk to you anymore until you grow up a bit and stop being so surly and anti.

Didn't know you thought it was a rhetorical question.

[The Heretic of Time]

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

True. But as it stands now it doesn't make much sense from an IT perspective. If the IT was true, BioWare could have solved this more cleverly by perhaps making the EC more ambiguous with more IT clues. Or they could have simply skipped the EC altogether. Or they could have revealed the IT plot right there right then with the EC.

Instead, BioWare chose not to expand on the IT with the EC. They decided to give us closure and show us the direct results AND future results of our final choice instead. The few extra clues that the EC might have provided for the IT are in my opinion just accidental. It's pure coicidence that some of the scenes and dialogue in the IT could be intepretated from an IT perspective. That's what I think.

The EC was never planned and BW obviously did not expect that backlash due to their original endings. They expected speculations, everyone scratching their head and due to this vagueness selling DLC, slowly giving more context/clues to what really happened (Leviathan as a huge bolster for IT; Omega as it seems not really that much) and have a huge reveal at the end of the cycle and thus creating a possible hype for ME4.
Now, everything went wrong, fans raging and they had to appease them with some sort of closure while not totally jeopardizing their long term plan. Maybe they have even given up on that plan, who knows?
If the whole thing was revealed too soon, the following DLCs and the twists in them would've rendered pointless.

At least that is something I can imagine that happened. Of course this leaves you with the fact that you've been given an incomplete game, but we are talking about EA here, so it is totally believable.

You know, an actual good company with good developers. a good reputation and good storytelling capablities doesn't need weird twists, illusions or grand schemes to sell their products and DLC.

You'd think that BioWare, was one of those companies that was capable of developing a good game with lots of fans for its great story. You'd think that BioWare didn't need to resort to weird schemes to sell DLC and create a hype for ME4.

If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

Just saying.

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

I agree with you there. Whatever there plan may have been it didn't work and their damage control is the worst I've ever seen.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

True. But as it stands now it doesn't make much sense from an IT perspective. If the IT was true, BioWare could have solved this more cleverly by perhaps making the EC more ambiguous with more IT clues. Or they could have simply skipped the EC altogether. Or they could have revealed the IT plot right there right then with the EC.

Instead, BioWare chose not to expand on the IT with the EC. They decided to give us closure and show us the direct results AND future results of our final choice instead. The few extra clues that the EC might have provided for the IT are in my opinion just accidental. It's pure coicidence that some of the scenes and dialogue in the IT could be intepretated from an IT perspective. That's what I think.

The EC was never planned and BW obviously did not expect that backlash due to their original endings. They expected speculations, everyone scratching their head and due to this vagueness selling DLC, slowly giving more context/clues to what really happened (Leviathan as a huge bolster for IT; Omega as it seems not really that much) and have a huge reveal at the end of the cycle and thus creating a possible hype for ME4.
Now, everything went wrong, fans raging and they had to appease them with some sort of closure while not totally jeopardizing their long term plan. Maybe they have even given up on that plan, who knows?
If the whole thing was revealed too soon, the following DLCs and the twists in them would've rendered pointless.

At least that is something I can imagine that happened. Of course this leaves you with the fact that you've been given an incomplete game, but we are talking about EA here, so it is totally believable.

You know, an actual good company with good developers. a good reputation and good storytelling capablities doesn't need weird twists, illusions or grand schemes to sell their products and DLC.

You'd think that BioWare, was one of those companies that was capable of developing a good game with lots of fans for its great story. You'd think that BioWare didn't need to resort to weird schemes to sell DLC and create a hype for ME4.

If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

Just saying.

This is just your opinion. I, for example, think that ME3 is the best Mass Effect game so far.

[dorktainian]

anyways as i was saying.... whispers.

You know like someone whispering in your ear. like an itch you can't scratch. The reapers dont want anything but conversion. The whispering is subliminal in shepards mind. He only really 'hears' it or realises it's there in his sleep. I'll add this little vid as an example of conversion. Listen to the message for so long eventually you might start to believe it is the truth....therefore indoctrination is complete.

www.youtube.com/watch 

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much.

I agree with you there. Whatever there plan may have been it didn't work and their damage control is the worst I've ever seen.

Still Omega was in itself, and ignoring the bugs, a great character piece.

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

anyways as i was saying.... whispers.

You know like someone whispering in your ear. like an itch you can't scratch. The reapers dont want anything but conversion. The whispering is subliminal in shepards mind. He only really 'hears' it or realises it's there in his sleep. I'll add this little vid as an example of conversion. Listen to the message for so long eventually you might start to believe it is the truth....therefore indoctrination is complete.

www.youtube.com/watch 

I loved the scene in Omega when you hit the button (at least at the second interrupt, dunno about the other two) Shepard will yell "Shut up!" to Petrovski.

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

True. But as it stands now it doesn't make much sense from an IT perspective. If the IT was true, BioWare could have solved this more cleverly by perhaps making the EC more ambiguous with more IT clues. Or they could have simply skipped the EC altogether. Or they could have revealed the IT plot right there right then with the EC.

Instead, BioWare chose not to expand on the IT with the EC. They decided to give us closure and show us the direct results AND future results of our final choice instead. The few extra clues that the EC might have provided for the IT are in my opinion just accidental. It's pure coicidence that some of the scenes and dialogue in the IT could be intepretated from an IT perspective. That's what I think.

The EC was never planned and BW obviously did not expect that backlash due to their original endings. They expected speculations, everyone scratching their head and due to this vagueness selling DLC, slowly giving more context/clues to what really happened (Leviathan as a huge bolster for IT; Omega as it seems not really that much) and have a huge reveal at the end of the cycle and thus creating a possible hype for ME4.
Now, everything went wrong, fans raging and they had to appease them with some sort of closure while not totally jeopardizing their long term plan. Maybe they have even given up on that plan, who knows?
If the whole thing was revealed too soon, the following DLCs and the twists in them would've rendered pointless.

At least that is something I can imagine that happened. Of course this leaves you with the fact that you've been given an incomplete game, but we are talking about EA here, so it is totally believable.

You know, an actual good company with good developers. a good reputation and good storytelling capablities doesn't need weird twists, illusions or grand schemes to sell their products and DLC.

You'd think that BioWare, was one of those companies that was capable of developing a good game with lots of fans for its great story. You'd think that BioWare didn't need to resort to weird schemes to sell DLC and create a hype for ME4.

If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

Just saying.

This is just your opinion. I, for example, think that ME3 is the best Mass Effect game so far.

So you think Mass Effect 3 was a complete game that didn't need an Extended Cut or an IT reveal? You think that the vanilla ME3 alone without anything added to it would be a good and complete experience? You're saying that was not broken and/or incomplete?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So you think Mass Effect 3 was a complete game that didn't need an Extended Cut or an IT reveal? You think that the vanilla ME3 alone without anything added to it would be a good and complete experience? You're saying that was not broken and/or incomplete?

Yes, yes, and yes.

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

True. But as it stands now it doesn't make much sense from an IT perspective. If the IT was true, BioWare could have solved this more cleverly by perhaps making the EC more ambiguous with more IT clues. Or they could have simply skipped the EC altogether. Or they could have revealed the IT plot right there right then with the EC.

Instead, BioWare chose not to expand on the IT with the EC. They decided to give us closure and show us the direct results AND future results of our final choice instead. The few extra clues that the EC might have provided for the IT are in my opinion just accidental. It's pure coicidence that some of the scenes and dialogue in the IT could be intepretated from an IT perspective. That's what I think.

The EC was never planned and BW obviously did not expect that backlash due to their original endings. They expected speculations, everyone scratching their head and due to this vagueness selling DLC, slowly giving more context/clues to what really happened (Leviathan as a huge bolster for IT; Omega as it seems not really that much) and have a huge reveal at the end of the cycle and thus creating a possible hype for ME4.
Now, everything went wrong, fans raging and they had to appease them with some sort of closure while not totally jeopardizing their long term plan. Maybe they have even given up on that plan, who knows?
If the whole thing was revealed too soon, the following DLCs and the twists in them would've rendered pointless.

At least that is something I can imagine that happened. Of course this leaves you with the fact that you've been given an incomplete game, but we are talking about EA here, so it is totally believable.

You know, an actual good company with good developers. a good reputation and good storytelling capablities doesn't need weird twists, illusions or grand schemes to sell their products and DLC.

You'd think that BioWare, was one of those companies that was capable of developing a good game with lots of fans for its great story. You'd think that BioWare didn't need to resort to weird schemes to sell DLC and create a hype for ME4.

If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

Just saying.

This is just your opinion. I, for example, think that ME3 is the best Mass Effect game so far.

So you think Mass Effect 3 was a complete game that didn't need an Extended Cut or an IT reveal? You think that the vanilla ME3 alone without anything added to it would be a good and complete experience? You're saying that was not broken and/or incomplete?

Personally I would rather say ME3 was complete without EC then it was with EC. Simply because the ending was left ambiguous on purpose so you can fill it in yourself, and they didn't want to do a ME game that plays after ME3. The community and their need for the EC broke that and introduced many flaws that make the ending way less ambiguous and because they still retain their nature of not showing many things it creates the feeling of being unfinished.
Matter of taste.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:48 .

[dorktainian]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So you think Mass Effect 3 was a complete game that didn't need an Extended Cut or an IT reveal? You think that the vanilla ME3 alone without anything added to it would be a good and complete experience? You're saying that was not broken and/or incomplete?

Yes, yes, and yes.

 remember what i was just saying about whispers and if you hear them for long enough you begin to believe them?

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
So you think Mass Effect 3 was a complete game that didn't need an Extended Cut or an IT reveal? You think that the vanilla ME3 alone without anything added to it would be a good and complete experience? You're saying that was not broken and/or incomplete?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Really? So if there's NEVER an IT reveal, not even in ME4, you'd be okay with that? You'd still think the vanilla ME3 without any DLC added to it is an okay and complete product, telling a complete story?

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Personally I would rather say ME3 was complete without EC then it was with EC. Simply because the ending was left ambiguous on purpose so you can fill it in yourself, and they didn't want to do a ME game that plays after ME3. The community and their need for the EC broke that and introduced many flaws that make the ending way less ambiguous and because they still retain their nature of not showing many things it creates the feeling of being unfinished.
Matter of taste.

I have to disagree with that. Ending a video-game trilogy the way they originally did was about the worst idea anyone has ever come up with. Although the EC introduced many new plotholes to the story, it also fixed a lot and gave us a proper resolution. The original ME3 completely lacked any sort of resolution. It was incomplete as hell.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Restrider]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You know, an actual good company with good developers. a good reputation and good storytelling capablities doesn't need weird twists, illusions or grand schemes to sell their products and DLC.

You'd think that BioWare, was one of those companies that was capable of developing a good game with lots of fans for its great story. You'd think that BioWare didn't need to resort to weird schemes to sell DLC and create a hype for ME4.

If they just delivered a complete quality product from the very beginning, IT or not IT, it doesn't matter, their original ME3 release should have been complete with a proper ending, without any EC or IT scheme needed. Maybe if BioWare did that they would still be the old BioWare that we once respected so much. 

Just saying.

No argument here.
Edit: I blame EA, lolz.

Modifié par Restrider, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[dorktainian]

anyways....back to indoctrination. Another vid. Basically on the subject of sacrifice. What may be required of Shepard if he is to win this war. (note JS John Sheridan/John Shepard) How does this fit in with indoctrination? Jack is looking for a man willing to die for all the wrong reasons.

www.youtube.com/watch 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dorktainian wrote...
  remember what i was just saying about whispers and if you hear them for long enough you begin to believe them?

I'm not indoctrinated, if that's what you're insinuating. I've felt this way since my first playthrough so if I was indoctrinated it would have been rapid indoctrination. But if that was the case, I'd be a gibbering animal by now, wouldn't I.

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Really? So if there's NEVER an IT reveal, not even in ME4, you'd be okay with that? You'd still think the vanilla ME3 without any DLC added to it is an okay and complete product, telling a complete story?

I'd be very okay with that. While the Indoctrination Theory is an interesting theory, hence why I come here, I don't need it to be true in order for ME3 to be a complete product telling a complete story.

[dorktainian]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
  remember what i was just saying about whispers and if you hear them for long enough you begin to believe them?

I'm not indoctrinated, if that's what you're insinuating. I've felt this way since my first playthrough so if I was indoctrinated it would have been rapid indoctrination. But if that was the case, I'd be a gibbering animal by now, wouldn't I.

you're funny you know

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dorktainian wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
  remember what i was just saying about whispers and if you hear them for long enough you begin to believe them?

I'm not indoctrinated, if that's what you're insinuating. I've felt this way since my first playthrough so if I was indoctrinated it would have been rapid indoctrination. But if that was the case, I'd be a gibbering animal by now, wouldn't I.

you're funny you know

I'm glad I amuse you.

[RavenEyry]

Each to their own as usual. I'll never understand why some like the ending, but many will never understand why I like DA2,

[dorktainian]

would love it if IT is correct. really really love it.