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CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee at school! :o Oh yeah, you live outside of the confines of the UK! :D

I don't start doing any work until 9:30pm anymore. Then I go to the library and write :P

Common university schedule worldwide...

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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The pie thing scares and confuses me.

What's wrong with pie? How can you not enjoy a slice of that juicy, salacious god's gift to earth?

I don't like gravy.

To each their own I guess. Personally, I love gavy, but you don't have to have gravy everytime you eat pie! Posted Image

How can one not like gravy? I consume loads of it at each thanksgiving!

I'm not sure. Got to go! See everyone later! Enjoy your respective pies (with or without gravy)! Posted Image

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't like gravy. I'm a vegetarian.

Gravy can be another word for the stuff that comes on pie, I think. As long as you're not a vegan, you should be able to eat it.

Are you a vegetarian by principle, or is something else going on?

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estebanus wrote...

Hi Banshee!

Hey Estebanus! You know what I had for dinner last night?

Shepard's pie! Posted Image

I didn't know what that is and I looked it up in Urban Dictionary... very unsettling.

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Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.

It's more that the writers of the community don't believe the BW writers could make such stupid and obvious writing mistakes. That's all.


That's not an answer to my question. My question was: Why are so many people on this board self-proclaimed writers? What's up with that?


But to reply to what you said: Any proffesional writer or even pseudo-proffesional writer here on this board should realize how terrible ME3 is written. And not just the ending.

Last semester I took some writing classes myself on my college. I'm not a writer though, I'm a 3D artist, I was just interested in learning a bit about writing. I learned a lot of basics about writing. Lots of theory. I quickly noticed how ME3 defies pretty much everything I've learned that semester. That alone shows how amateuristic the ME3 writing is.


Well, if you say that an entry level community college "professor" has different ideas, then who are we to argue?


Except I don't study at an community college but at an university, studying Game Architecture & Design.

Now please STFU if you don't have anything useful to say.

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Restrider wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee at school! :o Oh yeah, you live outside of the confines of the UK! :D

I don't start doing any work until 9:30pm anymore. Then I go to the library and write :P

Common university schedule worldwide...


I'm even giving up the drinking tomorrow night. It's student night and I'm working :o Ignoring the huge binge we're going on Saturday night :P

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You know, asking why people here are 'self proclaimed writers' and then declaring that 'any pseudo writer should understand why ME3's writing sucks' isn't going to win you any favours.

Instead it seems to suggest you fail to understand what making a writer tick. And your ignorance frustrates you.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.

It's more that the writers of the community don't believe the BW writers could make such stupid and obvious writing mistakes. That's all.


That's not an answer to my question. My question was: Why are so many people on this board self-proclaimed writers? What's up with that?


But to reply to what you said: Any proffesional writer or even pseudo-proffesional writer here on this board should realize how terrible ME3 is written. And not just the ending.

Last semester I took some writing classes myself on my college. I'm not a writer though, I'm a 3D artist, I was just interested in learning a bit about writing. I learned a lot of basics about writing. Lots of theory. I quickly noticed how ME3 defies pretty much everything I've learned that semester. That alone shows how amateuristic the ME3 writing is.


Well, if you say that an entry level community college "professor" has different ideas, then who are we to argue?


Except I don't study at an community college but at an university, studying Game Architecture & Design.

Now please STFU if you don't have anything useful to say.


Watch out, we have an internet toughguy here!

Seriously, take your own advice sometimes.  You whine how bad ME3's writing is, and yet you don't go elsewhere.  Which suggests you enjoy bad things.  Which is very sad indeed.

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Haven't seen this mentioned before, but looking at the supposed pre-release script linked in another thread, apparently Javik was at one point intended to be the catalyst, and rather than being ignorant of the crucible's purpose, he said it allowed the prothean memory-sense to work on vast scales of time/space.

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Andromidius wrote...

You know, asking why people here are 'self proclaimed writers' and then declaring that 'any pseudo writer should understand why ME3's writing sucks' isn't going to win you any favours.

Instead it seems to suggest you fail to understand what making a writer tick. And your ignorance frustrates you.


Makes sense.  I know his ignorance frustrates me.

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estebanus wrote...

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I don't like gravy. I'm a vegetarian.

Gravy can be another word for the stuff that comes on pie, I think. As long as you're not a vegan, you should be able to eat it.

Are you a vegetarian by principle, or is something else going on?


Yeah I know there are vegetarian gravy recipes.


About me being a vegetarian:

I have no problem with killing animals for food. Killing animals for food is a natural thing. It happens in mother nature all the time.There is nothing wrong with that.
I do however have a problem with the current state of our meat industry world wide. It's the most corrupt and dirty industry responsible for the biggest amount of pollution each year. The meat industry is not only f*cking up our planet, they're also holding humanity back as a whole. Did you know that if the meat industry disappeard that we could feed everyone in the world with the grain, corn and soy beens that we feed to our livestock right now? Tons of land, food, money and resources are wasted on breeding, feeding and slaughtering livestock just so you can have your piece of meat on your plate at the end of the day. It's ridiculous if you ask me. I don't want to contribute to such madness. That's why I've become a vegetarian.

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Roarkh wrote...

Haven't seen this mentioned before, but looking at the supposed pre-release script linked in another thread, apparently Javik was at one point intended to be the catalyst, and rather than being ignorant of the crucible's purpose, he said it allowed the prothean memory-sense to work on vast scales of time/space.

I've heard of that. Furthermore that Javik does not join you directly but rather goes amok like Jack on Purgatory. Then you had to get to Javik before Cerberus could get their hands on him, at least that's what I remember someone else say about it.
Could you link to the source?

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Finally got around to watching the cutscenes from leviathan and it's odd that the beings whose race was wiped out by the reapers even though they can kill them in seconds are really, really reluctant to do anything about it. The one you chat with almost seems to approve of the cycle.
I also thought Shepard on hands and knees told to breath was very reminiscent of 'wake up'.

And Leviathans have got that three dot eye thing going on that everyone has.

EDIT: And Harby the completely irrelevant major villain gets namechecked again.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't like gravy. I'm a vegetarian.

Gravy can be another word for the stuff that comes on pie, I think. As long as you're not a vegan, you should be able to eat it.

Are you a vegetarian by principle, or is something else going on?


Yeah I know there are vegetarian gravy recipes.


About me being a vegetarian:

I have no problem with killing animals for food. Killing animals for food is a natural thing. It happens in mother nature all the time.There is nothing wrong with that.
I do however have a problem with the current state of our meat industry world wide. It's the most corrupt and dirty industry responsible for the biggest amount of pollution each year. The meat industry is not only f*cking up our planet, they're also holding humanity back as a whole. Did you know that if the meat industry disappeard that we could feed everyone in the world with the grain, corn and soy beens that we feed to our livestock right now? Tons of land, food, money and resources are wasted on breeding, feeding and slaughtering livestock just so you can have your piece of meat on your plate at the end of the day. It's ridiculous if you ask me. I don't want to contribute to such madness. That's why I've become a vegetarian.

To each his own, I guess. I love meat.

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Andromidius wrote...

You know, asking why people here are 'self proclaimed writers' and then declaring that 'any pseudo writer should understand why ME3's writing sucks' isn't going to win you any favours.

Instead it seems to suggest you fail to understand what making a writer tick. And your ignorance frustrates you.


I'm not frustrated friend. I don't know where you get that idea from.

I'm just curious about 2 things:

1) Why it is that so many writers (either wannabe-writers or proffesional-writers, I don't care) gather on BSN?

2) How can it be that the basic writing 101 that I learned last semester contradicts everything I've seen in ME3? Does that mean ME3 is badly written? Sure seems so to me.

I mean I get it that as a writer you sometimes need to think outside of the box, outside of the rules, but if you're being too creative you can potentially make a big mess of your story. I wonder what went wrong during the production of ME3. I wonder why ME3 seems to be so different from ME1 and ME2 in so many ways. Could it really be it's because Drew Karpyshyn left the team?

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I am with you Heretic. I've been weening myself off meat for a while, though it's taking a while for me to stop eating da chicken.

I hate the prawn industry the most though.

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estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I don't like gravy. I'm a vegetarian.

Gravy can be another word for the stuff that comes on pie, I think. As long as you're not a vegan, you should be able to eat it.

Are you a vegetarian by principle, or is something else going on?


Yeah I know there are vegetarian gravy recipes.


About me being a vegetarian:

I have no problem with killing animals for food. Killing animals for food is a natural thing. It happens in mother nature all the time.There is nothing wrong with that.
I do however have a problem with the current state of our meat industry world wide. It's the most corrupt and dirty industry responsible for the biggest amount of pollution each year. The meat industry is not only f*cking up our planet, they're also holding humanity back as a whole. Did you know that if the meat industry disappeard that we could feed everyone in the world with the grain, corn and soy beens that we feed to our livestock right now? Tons of land, food, money and resources are wasted on breeding, feeding and slaughtering livestock just so you can have your piece of meat on your plate at the end of the day. It's ridiculous if you ask me. I don't want to contribute to such madness. That's why I've become a vegetarian.

To each his own, I guess. I love meat.


Sure. And I respect that. I would be the last person to tell you that you shouldn't eat meat. Everyone should make that decision themselves on their own initiative.

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CoolioThane wrote...

I am with you Heretic. I've been weening myself off meat for a while, though it's taking a while for me to stop eating da chicken.


Good to hear. Even if you would just eat less meat (instead of stop eating it entirely), that would already be a good step in the right direction. Every small bit helps you know.


I hate the prawn industry the most though.


'Tis all the same to me. When I said I'm vegetarian I meant that I don't eat fish too.

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Restrider wrote...

Roarkh wrote...

Haven't seen this mentioned before, but looking at the supposed pre-release script linked in another thread, apparently Javik was at one point intended to be the catalyst, and rather than being ignorant of the crucible's purpose, he said it allowed the prothean memory-sense to work on vast scales of time/space.

I've heard of that. Furthermore that Javik does not join you directly but rather goes amok like Jack on Purgatory. Then you had to get to Javik before Cerberus could get their hands on him, at least that's what I remember someone else say about it.
Could you link to the source?

If I'm not mistaken this is the leaked script.
There is also another test TLK file in the From Ashes DLC that has a short dialogue between a Reaper and Javik.

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Andromidius wrote...

You whine how bad ME3's writing is, and yet you don't go elsewhere.  Which suggests you enjoy bad things.  Which is very sad indeed.


Except I'm not whining, but merely stating my observations and asking questions. But of course if anyone even dares to mention "bad writing" in this thread you guys all of the sudden go into attack mode. It's rather unnecessary really.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.



I'm not a self-proclaimed writer - just training to enter it as my profession.

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CoolioThane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.

It's more that the writers of the community don't believe the BW writers could make such stupid and obvious writing mistakes. That's all.


I would agree with this.

I'm not a writer per se (I read geography (WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY) at uni despite being a geologist at heart) but I do like to write stuff. I think being empathatic is why I believe in the IT. I put myself in their shoes and think "writers write, these writers have backgrounds in psychology etc." I think this makes more sense in a logical way I guess...

RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE sorry


That's really how I take it, too.

Doesn't mean the developers, coders, and writers are infallable, but it does mean that I don't take 'Bad Writing Theory' as the automatic truth.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Except I'm not whining, but merely stating my observations and asking questions. But of course if anyone even dares to mention "bad writing" in this thread you guys all of the sudden go into attack mode. It's rather unnecessary really.

Everyone is aware of your stance on bad writing. I think they get hostile because they're sick of you bringing it up in every other post.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 28 novembre 2012 - 08:40 .


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SwobyJ wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.



I'm not a self-proclaimed writer - just training to enter it as my profession.


Well when I said "self-proclaimed writer" I really meant anyone who's either writing as a hobby or anyone who's training to become a writer (but isn't a professional writer yet). Basically anyone on the BSN who calls himself a writer, be it a hobby writer, a professional writer or a writer in training.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Random question: Why are so many Mass Effect fans self-proclaimed writers themselves? What's up with everyone here on this board wanting to write a story?

Just something I was wondering.



I'm not a self-proclaimed writer - just training to enter it as my profession.


Well when I said "self-proclaimed writer" I really meant anyone who's either writing as a hobby or anyone who's training to become a writer (but isn't a professional writer yet). Basically anyone on the BSN who calls himself a writer, be it a hobby writer, a professional writer or a writer in training.


I dunno, they like stories and the possible symbolism, messages, and themes they contain or may contain?

When I meet CoD fans, there's a large number of them in the military or wanting to be in it.