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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

Yeah. Quite a while ago, actually. It pissed a lot of people off.

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Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

That thread annoyed me because of all the "I can't stand IT but this is great" comments  when it's the same dang theory.

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TSA_383 wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

That "the indoctrinated theory is false" thread barely lasted the first 2 pages before it got locked.

Hah, magnificent.
Link?


http://social.biowar...ndex/13525473/2

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TSA_383 wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

That "the indoctrinated theory is false" thread barely lasted the first 2 pages before it got locked.

Hah, magnificent.
Link?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13525473
Thankfully he didn't come here after it was locked.

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Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

I did, it really irritated me that people treated it like this is somehow seperate from indoctrination theory, and that the OP treated it like these were his original ideas, when it's largely a compilation of what we've all been saying for months.

It is well written though.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

That thread annoyed me because of all the "I can't stand IT but this is great" comments  when it's the same dang theory.


If someone said 'I hate soda, but I freakin love Coca-Cola!' no one would take them seriously, but they take people saying that seriously.

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Speaking of Zaeed, I found this lovely bit in the dialogue files. Never heard it in-game though even though I always save the workers and let Vido escape. Maybe bugged, maybe just a pain in the ass to get to hear. Either way, probably not a lot have seen it and it's worth seeing.

Zaeed: I had Vido to hunt down after he got away from us on Zorya.
Zaeed: Cost me nearly everything I'd made to track him down, but I did it. Found him on Suns base inside a colony.
Zaeed: Hired some men. Stormed the place. Blew up the shuttleport first, this time.
Shepard: So what happened to Vido?
Zaeed: Vido was holed up in a tower with nowhere to go. I was close. We could hear Vido panicking, screaming orders.
Zaeed: Then this shadow fell over everything. Damndest thing, hearing a battlefield go quiet like that.
Zaeed: Bet you can guess what happened.
Shepard: The Reapers...
Zaeed: Yeah. Completely tore up the base. Bunch of Harvesters scooped up everyone in sight.
Zaeed: Saw one grab Vido. Can still hear the bastard's scream. He tried shooting, but the gun fell out of his hand.
Zaeed: Then he looked straight at me. Finally saw me. Begged me to shoot him.
Shepard: What'd you do?
Zaeed: I walked away.

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Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of Zaeed, I found this lovely bit in the dialogue files. Never heard it in-game though even though I always save the workers and let Vido escape. Maybe bugged, maybe just a pain in the ass to get to hear. Either way, probably not a lot have seen it and it's worth seeing.

Zaeed: I had Vido to hunt down after he got away from us on Zorya.
Zaeed: Cost me nearly everything I'd made to track him down, but I did it. Found him on Suns base inside a colony.
Zaeed: Hired some men. Stormed the place. Blew up the shuttleport first, this time.
Shepard: So what happened to Vido?
Zaeed: Vido was holed up in a tower with nowhere to go. I was close. We could hear Vido panicking, screaming orders.
Zaeed: Then this shadow fell over everything. Damndest thing, hearing a battlefield go quiet like that.
Zaeed: Bet you can guess what happened.
Shepard: The Reapers...
Zaeed: Yeah. Completely tore up the base. Bunch of Harvesters scooped up everyone in sight.
Zaeed: Saw one grab Vido. Can still hear the bastard's scream. He tried shooting, but the gun fell out of his hand.
Zaeed: Then he looked straight at me. Finally saw me. Begged me to shoot him.
Shepard: What'd you do?
Zaeed: I walked away.


I always wondered why that Vosque guy was the leader of the Blue Suns instead of Vido.

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I heard that too. I can't even guess to why it was cut.

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It's funny that the topic that has most replies in the IT group is the one that's not related to IT at all.

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RavenEyry wrote...

I heard that too. I can't even guess to why it was cut.



A lot of things may well have been because of disc space. The 360 is really showing its age now and games are getting bigger and bigger in data size.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 05 août 2012 - 07:47 .


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It was probably made for when you could have ZAEED on the ship after a mission or so and it's just a "press A to listen" 'conversation'

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estebanus wrote...

It's funny that the topic that has most replies in the IT group is the one that's not related to IT at all.

IT talk generally comes here.

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's funny that the topic that has most replies in the IT group is the one that's not related to IT at all.

IT talk generally comes here.

I guess you're right.

EDIT: Chris Priestly just came online. Maybe he'll answer my question now.

Modifié par estebanus, 05 août 2012 - 07:56 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Have you guys read this thread yet? It's a pretty good read and it brings up some very good points in favor of IT.

http://social.biowar.../index/13419372

Sorry I don't know how to make the link clickable :/

I did, it really irritated me that people treated it like this is somehow seperate from indoctrination theory, and that the OP treated it like these were his original ideas, when it's largely a compilation of what we've all been saying for months.

It is well written though.


I wasnt really paying attention to what other people said but i didnt think so. It is pretty much exactly what you guys have been saying this whole time, but it was kinda nice to have it all in one place like that. I mean theres 3 threads for this theory now and theyre all huge so not alot of people are going to be able to sit down and read everything you all have said. I've been reading through these ever since i finished the ending and im sure there's been a TON of stuff i missed. I just thought it complimented what you nguys have been saying very well.

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Who says it was cut? It may just be bugged, like how the engineers are missing dialogue if Ashhole doesn't like you (because she's busy being dead).

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Rifneno wrote...

Who says it was cut? It may just be bugged, like how the engineers are missing dialogue if Ashhole doesn't like you (because she's busy being dead).


Does Kaidan have any redeeming qualities? I find him extremely boring. I only have one file where he's alive compared to ~30 where Ash is alive, and in the ME3 playthrough I did with him alive, he even seemed to agree that he was boring.

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I like Kaidans voice more but I think I prefer Ash due to her maturing as a person and character throughout. Kaidans is just a bit generic.

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Who says it was cut? It may just be bugged, like how the engineers are missing dialogue if Ashhole doesn't like you (because she's busy being dead).


Does Kaidan have any redeeming qualities? I find him extremely boring. I only have one file where he's alive compared to ~30 where Ash is alive, and in the ME3 playthrough I did with him alive, he even seemed to agree that he was boring.


Kaiden is the most boring thing in the galaxy.  Once I set Kaiden up to the Crucible instead of Shepard.  The Reapers still all fell over and I thought he picked destroy.  Turned out he was telling them a Jump Zero story in that monotone, "Legion has more emotional inflection than I do" voice of his and they all fell asleep.  They're machines, they don't even sleep naturally, I don't know how the hell he did it.

He has one redeeming quality: he's not that ***** Ashley.  I don't like either of the VS'es, but Kaiden is definitely less of a dick to Shepard because he had the nerve to be resurrected by the wrong people.

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Who says it was cut? It may just be bugged, like how the engineers are missing dialogue if Ashhole doesn't like you (because she's busy being dead).


Does Kaidan have any redeeming qualities? I find him extremely boring. I only have one file where he's alive compared to ~30 where Ash is alive, and in the ME3 playthrough I did with him alive, he even seemed to agree that he was boring.


Kaiden is the most boring thing in the galaxy.  Once I set Kaiden up to the Crucible instead of Shepard.  The Reapers still all fell over and I thought he picked destroy.  Turned out he was telling them a Jump Zero story in that monotone, "Legion has more emotional inflection than I do" voice of his and they all fell asleep.  They're machines, they don't even sleep naturally, I don't know how the hell he did it.

He has one redeeming quality: he's not that ***** Ashley.  I don't like either of the VS'es, but Kaiden is definitely less of a dick to Shepard because he had the nerve to be resurrected by the wrong people.


I was totally about to edit my post to say that 'Not being Ashley doesnt count as a redeeming quality,' but I refreshed the page and saw you'd already claimed that as his redeeming quality.

I know you too well.

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That Ash/Kaiden talk reminds me:

Did the EC remove that odd cameo of Ash during the scene where Kaiden is brought to Huerta Memorial?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 05 août 2012 - 08:02 .


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Well the main question is does the Leviathan have plans for Shepard?

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So I guess everyone left the thread. Well byne did you know Earthborn Shepard, and cork where here?

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masster blaster wrote...

So I guess everyone left the thread. Well byne did you know Earthborn Shepard, and cork where here?

Well, I'm currently waiting on Chris to respond to my PM, so that's why I'm not really doing anything.

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Since the thread's at a slowdown, here's something that caught my eye. In Revelations, for a very brief chapter you're at the point of view of a batarian Blue Suns. He's your typical terrorist slaver bag of crap batarian and he thinks back with disgust to when the Blue Suns started letting humans join.

But... Zaeed and Vido founded the Blue Suns and eventually it was humans who let batarians join, not the other way around. I'm sure they just forgot that passing remark in the novel when they wrote it, but wouldn't it be a kicker if it turned out Zaeed was full of crap about everything?