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[401 Kill]

Thiat is one of the things about IT I still have been unable to grasp. I get that the Catalyst uses the child's image to seem less threatening and influence Shepard, but I cannot see how the boy on Earth is not there.
(this was a question that I was addressing)

I think someone here has made a video just on that topic.
Short version: Shepard sees a child playing on a rooftop, then the Reapers come. The child has a short amount of time to leave the park on the roof. Later in the level, you can see the same place where the child was at the beginning of the game- except that there is not park there anymore.

Next, the kid would have to travel a very long distance to the near top of another massive building. The child can be seen sitting near the edge of that building, watching a Reaper. As you move closer, he runs through a locked door to get in the building, which is later destroyed by the Reapers. A massive explosion happens in the room where the child is hiding .

When you enter the building, you hold open a stuck door for Anderson. When Anderson goes through, Shepard goes to an air vent with the child in it. The conversation with the child is eerie ("You can't save me."), what child refuses help from a millatary officer? When Anderson aproaches, the child is gone. And a Reaper growl sounds.

At the Evac sight for the child, nobody except Shepard seems to notice him. The child struggles to climb into the shuttle, and nobody even attempts to help him. When the child climbs in, he looks up, directly at Shepard.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 28 novembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Rifneno]

Even when we just had the demo and no clue about IT or the ending or anything, BSN already had "WTF? That kid's not real, is he?" posts.

[Samtheman63]

Rifneno wrote...

Even when we just had the demo and no clue about IT or the ending or anything, BSN already had "WTF? That kid's not real, is he?" posts.

exactly

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alluance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

[Rifneno]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alluance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

Ahh, Megumi.  You look different.

[Roarkh]

Consider at the end there are only two ways the guardian could look like the kid:
1) Shepard is hallucinating
2) It's interfacing with Shepard's brain to cull the image (ie, Shep is indoctrinated)

Given that such shenanigans are taking place, its not unreasonable to become skeptical about the kid's appearances on Earth, but its not a load-bearing pillar of the theory.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Do you really think it takes THAT LONG to close a door? Not even metro, train and bus doors in 2012 take THAT LONG to close. So surely a spaceship from the future can close its doors faster, right?

Right???

I don't know, I don't live there. Can only speculate on what I see, which leads us to where we are now. I'm more in the park of thinking the Child is an illusion of some kind after thevent scene, might only be real in the opening scene. Either way, his scenes are odd, all of them.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alluance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

While that's true it adds weight to both sides of the arguement. You can't see where their eyes are looking, therefore you can't see if they're looking at the Child or not.

[lex0r11]

Look at everyone go you can't know this, you can't prove that and you certainly can't show me/us/spacehamster everything else!

So cute!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rifneno wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alluance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

Ahh, Megumi.  You look different.

I'm sorry, i don't mean to bring down a part of the theory but this is one thing I have never been able to mentally grasp no matter how hard I try to so I thought I'd ask others to explain it to me.

[byne]

To be fair, I personally dont even think the Reaper destroyer is even there. I'm probably the only person here who thinks that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alliance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

While that's true it adds weight to both sides of the arguement. You can't see where their eyes are looking, therefore you can't see if they're looking at the Child or not.

Granted, I'll give you that. But that neatralizes that point more than anything because quite simply "you can't know either way".

[Krimzie]

Roarkh wrote...

Consider at the end there are only two ways the guardian could look like the kid:
1) Shepard is hallucinating
2) It's interfacing with Shepard's brain to cull the image (ie, Shep is indoctrinated)

Given that such shenanigans are taking place, its not unreasonable to become skeptical about the kid's appearances on Earth, but its not a load-bearing pillar of the theory.

QFT.

Whether the kid is actually there or not is not actually chained to the interpretation of the ending. The"eeire" feeling of his presence, though, has got to be an intentional mood-setter. It creates the atmosphere wherein we question our avatar's mental stability. It's thematically sound whether the kid's there or not. 

Modifié par Krimzie, 28 novembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[Andromidius]

Roarkh wrote...

Consider at the end there are only two ways the guardian could look like the kid:
1) Shepard is hallucinating
2) It's interfacing with Shepard's brain to cull the image (ie, Shep is indoctrinated)

Given that such shenanigans are taking place, its not unreasonable to become skeptical about the kid's appearances on Earth, but its not a load-bearing pillar of the theory.

Exactly!

Though there is a third option, which is completely ridiculous.  Which is that the Destroyer that killed the kid was recording the whole scene, and the Catalysts deduced that this kid's death would somehow hurt Shepard the most, and thus decides to take his form for when Shepard eventually gets to him.  Even though 'no Organic has ever made it this far'.

Really there's no other option that I can think of.  Its either a massively lucky guess, an image taken from Shep's mind, or it was a Reaper hallucination to begin with.

One is so unlikely that its utterly implausible.  The others both require getting inside Shepard's head.  Fill in the dots.

[Rifneno]

Not to mention there are other things. Like Shepard is drawn to see the kid in the vent because of the noise of him climbing around in there. They talk, then Anderson distracts Shepard, then he look back and the kid is gone. Vanished. The noise of his dopey ass climbing around is what drew Shepard to it, but there was none of that noise when he disappeared into thin air. Then you get to Mars and they introduce Liara by having her escaping from Cerberus mooks in the ducts seemingly for the sole purpose of showing you that they do in fact understand that people crawling around in ducts is noisy as holy hell. Where's the noise from him disappearing? And why didn't they fix it if it truly was an oversight or bug? Nevermind fixing it in EC like they did with many actual bugs that got mistaken for IT clues, they didn't even fix it before release when it was pointed out from the beta.

[Krimzie]

byne wrote...

To be fair, I personally dont even think the Reaper destroyer is even there. I'm probably the only person here who thinks that.

Eeeeeep, but I could get behind a theory like that, too. Shepard's gazing out a window the first time we saw her, and that reminds me of my sole survivor beginning of ME1, wherein Anderson and Hackett were questioning if she is fit to save the galaxy because "she can have some serious mental scars."

And then she's sitting on a damn bed, of all things. After being cooped up for 6 months. Could have just gone bat**** in that time.

And then there's the whole getting knocked out on the bench part.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

To be fair, I personally dont even think the Reaper destroyer is even there. I'm probably the only person here who thinks that.

I can top that.  I still very much doubt that the Leviathans are what they say they are.  I'm probably the only one who doubts that.

[Bill Casey]

That ****ing reaper growl, man...
Kid's gone; reaper growl...

That kid was creepy enough before that...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 novembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
no one looks at the kid apart from shepard.

You can't know that for certain, since the Alliance soldiers were wearing helmets so you couldn't see where their eyes were looking.

While that's true it adds weight to both sides of the arguement. You can't see where their eyes are looking, therefore you can't see if they're looking at the Child or not.

Granted, I'll give you that. But that neatralizes that point more than anything because quite simply "you can't know either way".

Yes, we can't know for sure if anyone else see's the Child, mostly the Alliance soldiers. But, we can be sure Shepard see's the Child, and often, and the Catalyst choosing him as an image for some reason. So there's a good size puzzle piece for us.

[lex0r11]

What about the mere fact that he says "you cannot save me"? And don't give me that children are calm and reasonable in a situation like this telling adults that it is useless. What scared little kid in the middle of a f**king reaper invasion would say something like that and then disappear?

I too was one of the people who thought the kid in the demo was odd. Very odd.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

To be fair, I personally dont even think the Reaper destroyer is even there. I'm probably the only person here who thinks that.

I can top that.  I still very much doubt that the Leviathans are what they say they are.  I'm probably the only one who doubts that.

I'm with you on that.  The Leviathans are lying scumbag cuttlefish.

[lex0r11]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

To be fair, I personally dont even think the Reaper destroyer is even there. I'm probably the only person here who thinks that.

I can top that.  I still very much doubt that the Leviathans are what they say they are.  I'm probably the only one who doubts that.

I'm with you on that.  The Leviathans are lying scumbag cuttlefish.

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

What about the mere fact that he says "you cannot save me"? And don't give me that children are calm and reasonable in a situation like this telling adults that it is useless. What scared little kid in the middle of a f**king reaper invasion would say something like that and then disappear?

I too was one of the people who thought the kid in the demo was odd. Very odd.

To quote myself from Banshee's wall of awesome:

Wrex - 1000+ year old super badass krogan: Needs Shepard's help

Rachni Queen - Giant freakin bug that can produce thousands of mindless workers: Needs Shepard's help

Quarian Migrant Fleet - 50,000 ships, housing 17 million quarians: Needs Shepard's help

GethConsensus - countless millions of geth, including extremely durablecombat platforms and tons of ships: Needs Shepard's help

Turian Hierarchy - Strongest military in the galaxy: Needs Shepard's help

Catalyst - LEADER OF THE FREAKIN REAPERS - Needs Shepard's help

8 year old boy - 8 year old boy: Doesn’t need Shepard's help

Seems legit.

[Bill Casey]

I think the Leviathan are being mostly truthful...
It seems like they know something about the Crucible, though...

[Andromidius]

Bill Casey wrote...

I think the Leviathan are being mostly truthful...
It seems like they know something about the Crucible, though...

Lie of omission, at the very least.  But I can't shake the idea that the Reapers themselves were the Leviathan's idea for conquering the Galaxy.