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[Andromidius]

I think the price doesn't hurt me as much because I technically only paid £3 for it, since I had a bunch of Bioware Points leftover from previously. So yeah, I paid the full price, but not all in one go.

...yeah.

Would still prefer it to have been longer, though. Or give me the option to go back and explore, talk to more people, shop around, dance The Shepard, etc.

[CmdrShep80]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Just finished Omega.

Absolutely loved it. Better than Shadow Broker, IMO.

It was so epic I immediately loaded my save game to play it all over again, haha.

Nothing much IT-related, although the Batarian Preacher said some awesome things, as always!

I thought it was just ok. Far too much flash and not enough substance. And absolutely not worth $15.

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@Big Boss (lol it's strange to say that given I too have played Metal Gear)

Fair use is described as:

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

It's number 3 that's really getting me on it because it really would have involved significant videos of Shepard idle and/or wandering to destinations.

In the end it's really number 3 that's the primary reason why I can't even though it's non-profit and educational in nature. It's just too much content

I totally understand your concern, but feel free to do some research about it. I promise you you are perfectly within your rights to do so. If you ever decide to, please post the links here!

LOL well from their earlier fair use statement, they said it was fine and they reserve the rights to yank it via YouTube but that's for something more like Acavyos' video on IT where it's a mashup of sounds, screen shots, and videos,

It's not one long stream of content that shows every square inch of gameplay.  That's how number 3 is different between the Acavyos and what I was doing.  Hence why I asked for the permissions.  But ya if I ever consider in the future doing a version similar to Acavyos' smaller, mashup short video I would let you all know.

[BleedingUranium]

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I mentioned a before that my theory is each Reaper, though its brain is made from millions of melted people, only has one consciousness, one mind. The Reapers only make one new Reaper per cycle, why? Because each Reaper's mind is taken from the best that cycle has to offer. At one point in the leaked script a Reaper said "We are all Shepards".

Except we know for a fact that the reapers do not have just 1 consciousness. Legion said this in ME2. He said that when Sovereign talked to the geth the programs within Sovereign called themselves Nazara.

Legion: "Sovereign. One ship, one will, many minds, like the geth."


So yeah, there goes your theory, into the water.

Bah! Why do you have to use that tone? D: We're all floating theories here and it works better when we don't get snippy about it.

While your rebuttal is textually sound, "one ship, one will, many minds" does not completely sink Uranium's theory. A consensus of many minds is still one conciousness within one ship, but each ship can have a different individual will. That individual ship could take the will of an avatar of the species, a la Harbinger showing very specific character traits likely associated with an apex member of the Leviathans.

Thanks Krimzie  I suppose you could say it's similar to how Legion as a very distinct personality even though he's made from many minds.

On another note, you were talking earlier about the ending music for ME1, and here's something interesting:

Mass Effect 1's ending.

Mass Effect 2's ending.

ME1's is called "The End", while ME2's is the same track with the end of "The Normandy Reborn" instead, which is a remake of "The End" anyway. This track doesn't play at all at the end of ME3.

[ElSuperGecko]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Just finished Omega.

Absolutely loved it. Better than Shadow Broker, IMO.

It was so epic I immediately loaded my save game to play it all over again, haha.

Nothing much IT-related, although the Batarian Preacher said some awesome things, as always!

Just finished Omega myself as well.  (Well, my second playthrough of it.  Had to go back through it to pick up that missed "Meticulous" achievement

And I really enjoyed it too - it was much more action orientated than Leviathan, but a lot less thought provoking as a whole, with less implications for the main story (that I saw, anyway).  However, I'd pretty much expected that.. and there were some nifty little lines of dialogue and some interesting parallels to the main storyline at points...

Aria was a total badass ****queen from hell... the first playthrough.  Second playthrough, she mellowed out a lot.  Interesting that Shepard (and Nyreen) had that much effect on her.  And as for Oleg... he was great - and not at all in any way shape or form indoctrinated, it would seem.  Interesting that he seemed to have a certain amount of morals for a Cerberus officer, and called off the troops at the end... odd considering he also happily sanctioning the Adjutant experiments. 

I liked that they brought up the Cerberus base beyond the Omega-4 relay.  Hinting at another future DLC, perhaps?  And are the Adjutants to the Insuannon what the Collectors are to the Protheans?

[Home run MF]

I've read somewhere it's mind hive= many minds one body, hive mind= one mind many bodies.

In this case could mind hive apply to individual Reapers and hive mind to the Catalyst/collective intelligence/Harbinger?
There is an EDI conversation on the bridge where she brings the Reaper form of government up.

"I was just reflecting... the quarians' historical error was not making the geth enough like them." 
"Units with networked intelligences will trend toward cooperation for mutual benefit."
"But units with central heuristics establishing an individual personality, such as myself, develop preferences."
"These preferences form attachments that keep my calculations from devaluing the worth of the lives aboard the Normandy."
"The only other notable synthetic society is the Reapers, and we do not know if they govern by consensus as the geth do."

Modifié par Home run MF, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I managed to miss some stuff for the sidequests so now they're clogging up my journal as active quests, even though I can't go back there.

Ah well, I'm playing it a second time anyway.

[Big_Boss9]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

What was not-so-cool?

I thought the amount of content was good. And they absolutely outdid themselves in the level design department. It looked amazing and you visit some really cool places. I loved how the story played out in my playthrough. I wonder what happens if you do things differently.

I loved it. Then again, Omega is my favourite place in the entire ME galaxy, so that helps.

I'll just repost Bleeding's summary since I couldn't have said it better --

BleedingUranium wrote...

Hey everyone! Yeah, this pretty much sums up Omega: a lot of wasted potential.

What was there was good, aside from a few small glitches and such, but the real problem was everything they could or should have done. Nyreen was even throwning hints about things to be revealed in the mines, but nope, nothing.

SPOILERS!

Things I'm confused about:
-What happened to Dragoons? They were confirmed to be in Omega, and they weren't.
-What happened to the Collector weapons? You still can't get them in SP and they were all over the Omega demos and the trailer.
-What the hell was up with the old screenshot of the Normandy beyond the Omega-4 relay? That certainly wasn't in.
-Are the SR HVB and AR Thermal Scope not in, or did I just miss them?

Things that annoyed me:
-Not having the option to have Nyreen and the Talons take over Omega. That was the biggest letdown by far.
-Aria not being able to die.
-Nyreen not being able to live.
-Both of the above combined.
-The entire last mission was very anticlimactic, especially since the eezo mine mission right before was really cool.
-Aria's glitchy speech.

Things they missed out on:
-Any kind of plot twist whatsoever.
-A purpose for the Adjutants. Seriously, they could have made them any normal Reaper troop for all the plot importance they have.
-Aria = Aleena
-Nyreen & Garrus at least meeting, or a comment from her about knowing about him.
-Anything related to the Collectors, Omega-4 relay (barely), and no trip there.
-A trip to Avernus Station, the base beyond the O4 relay that the Adjutants came from. The base named for the entrance to Hades.
-Anything to do with the Reapers building Omega.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[Rifneno]

I didn't really mind $15 for Omega... $2 for the nerfed and buggy typhoon though, that one bothers me.

[masster blaster]

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is, then who is leading the Reapers? Harbinger. I mean it's simply I believe that yes there was an AI, but I don't think an AI can Control Harbinger. Each Leviathan that was made to form Harbinger would Control all Synthetics, and Organics.

Just imagin the power they have. there is no way the AI could Control Harbinger, unless he became Harbinger himself. Think about it. It can not Control Organic minds, but he can Control Synthetics.

Leviathans could Control Organics, but not Synthetics, together they could do both. It makes sense why Harbinger could also be saying " We are Harbinger." Indicating that The AI, and the brat are one.

Yes Nazara says we to, but he also says I, as in me.

[Andromidius]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Just finished Omega.

Absolutely loved it. Better than Shadow Broker, IMO.

It was so epic I immediately loaded my save game to play it all over again, haha.

Nothing much IT-related, although the Batarian Preacher said some awesome things, as always!

I'm fairly neutral about it. It had some cool things, and some not-so-cool things, which pretty much balanced out for me. I don't regret buying it, but "meh".

Blur, good idea with the reaper name thing.

For fun: 2nd definition of Harbinger: A forerunner of something.

What was not-so-cool?

I thought the amount of content was good. And they absolutely outdid themselves in the level design department. It looked amazing and you visit some really cool places. I loved how the story played out in my playthrough. I wonder what happens if you do things differently.

I loved it. Then again, Omega is my favourite place in the entire ME galaxy, so that helps.

Well, being nitpicky here, but...

1/ Length.  It was 2.5 hours for me, more or less.  Was expecting 5 hours, considering that's what Bioware said.

2/ Overhyped coolness.  It was decent, but not as amazing as Bioware was making out.

3/ Buggy.  Cutscenes were a mess and sometimes enemies didn't attack properly.

4/ Zero consquence.  Sadly, Omega is completely self-contained in every sense of the word.

5/ Price.

6/ No new lore.

7/ No Collectors at all, not even weaponry.

That being said, yes the level design was pretty awesome and atmospheric (if linier), and the sound effects were chillingly butt-clenching.  Dialogue was decent enough.  And perhaps the first instance of not hitting an Interupt actually doing something good?

[Big_Boss9]

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

[ElSuperGecko]

BleedingUranium wrote...
I'm not going to spam this, but I did post it while most people were sleeping yesterday:  I've solved the puzzle...
**sneeped**
....Also of note, the official guide book for Mass Effect 3 calles the Control ending, the mentality and goal of Cerberus, "Become a Reaper". This gives that title much more meaning, as the other two endings match their supporters' goals.

I like it B.U, reminds me of Javik's comments... "you are the exemplar of this cycle", TIM's "Because.... I need you to believe" and explains Harbinger's interest stroke fascination stroke obsession with Shepard.

Also reminds me of Harvey Dent.  "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain..."

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I mentioned a before that my theory is each Reaper, though its brain is made from millions of melted people, only has one consciousness, one mind. The Reapers only make one new Reaper per cycle, why? Because each Reaper's mind is taken from the best that cycle has to offer. At one point in the leaked script a Reaper said "We are all Shepards".

Except we know for a fact that the reapers do not have just 1 consciousness. Legion said this in ME2. He said that when Sovereign talked to the geth the programs within Sovereign called themselves Nazara.

Legion: "Sovereign. One ship, one will, many minds, like the geth."


So yeah, there goes your theory, into the water.

Bah! Why do you have to use that tone? D: We're all floating theories here and it works better when we don't get snippy about it.

While your rebuttal is textually sound, "one ship, one will, many minds" does not completely sink Uranium's theory. A consensus of many minds is still one conciousness within one ship, but each ship can have a different individual will. That individual ship could take the will of an avatar of the species, a la Harbinger showing very specific character traits likely associated with an apex member of the Leviathans.

Thanks Krimzie  I suppose you could say it's similar to how Legion as a very distinct personality even though he's made from many minds.

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus(who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw) is formed around it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[CmdrShep80]

By the way the collector weapon I think we all saw was just the prothean weapon that we use. I have a prothean assault rifle in my ME3 game that I love and the equivilent is the Collector Assault Rifle from ME2 which I equally love

[Rifneno]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

I love it.  "He's not because he says he's not."  That's not retarded at all or anything.

[Andromidius]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Bull****.  You're speculating now.  Not to mention you're taking things at face value from two beings that are known to be dishonest and manipulative.

How do you like the taste of your own medicine?

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

[CoolioThane]

I'm Jesus. That makes me Jesus.

I'm not CoolioThane. **** that shizzle, that's a lie

[Andromidius]

And we get accused of headcanon. Funny stuff.

[Rifneno]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

Oh good, now he's an expert on incomprehensible alien hive-minds.

[BleedingUranium]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Just finished Omega.

Absolutely loved it. Better than Shadow Broker, IMO.

It was so epic I immediately loaded my save game to play it all over again, haha.

Nothing much IT-related, although the Batarian Preacher said some awesome things, as always!

I'm fairly neutral about it. It had some cool things, and some not-so-cool things, which pretty much balanced out for me. I don't regret buying it, but "meh".

Blur, good idea with the reaper name thing.

For fun: 2nd definition of Harbinger: A forerunner of something.

What was not-so-cool?

I thought the amount of content was good. And they absolutely outdid themselves in the level design department. It looked amazing and you visit some really cool places. I loved how the story played out in my playthrough. I wonder what happens if you do things differently.

I loved it. Then again, Omega is my favourite place in the entire ME galaxy, so that helps.

Interest level is obviously important. I never cared much for Aria or Omega, so that contributed.

My cons first:

1. Nyreen's unavoidable death: It felt a bit cheap (not required) to me - like they just wanted a quick excuse to literally write her off. I could have taken those Adjutants!  It was within her character to do so, but I still think it was cheap. I also didn't like how she didn't even say anything. No goodbye to Aria or anything, considering their relationship. If you could save her somehow I'd like it. Maybe pick her over Aria as ruler?

2. Main one aside, heavily self-containted story: Fine in a game like ME2, but I was hoping for more impact on overall plot.

3. No Dragoons. Wtf?

4. Adjutants: Cool, but unnecessary and underexplained. They might as well have used Cannibals. They didn't even infect anyone!

5. No boss battle:  We already have none at the end!

6. No option to kill Aria.

7. NO SQUADMATES FOR NO GOOD (PLOT) REASON!

8. Ending felt a little underwhelming. Mostly because of lack of music... again!

9. No Aria romance (even if I wouldn't take it).

10. A fair bit of wasted potential (No Omega-4 relay etc.)

11. Minor glitches.

12. Turns out there were fewer choices than I thought there were when I played it. I though Aria/Nyreen could die if you didn't press the red button.

13. Price/time ratio (not a big issue for me)

Pros:

1. Rampart Mechs/Adjutants were cool to fight.

2. Great level variation and design.

3. New mods/ weapons.

4. New bonus powers

5. Petrovsky was pretty cool; I liked him.

6. Good combat.

7. Flashlights!/Creepyness.

8. Fairly long.

9. Got to see some civillian aliens.

10. Some ME2 throwbacks.

11. War assets?

Man, it feels like I've lost my touch for being on top lately. I've been at the bottom fairly regularly.

[CmdrShep80]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

Was that the one about the camera?

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep