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[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

That's awesome.  class exclusive interrupts were one of the few great parts of DA2.  I particularly liked the one where some slaver is trying to pull a hostage gambit and rogue Hawke just casually tosses a dagger into his windpipe.

[The Heretic of Time]

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Bull****.  You're speculating now.  Not to mention you're taking things at face value from two beings that are known to be dishonest and manipulative.

No, I'n not speculating, I'm simply listening to what is being said in the game.

Both these beings, the Leviathans and the Catalyst, say EXACTLY the same thing without knowing it from each other. Coincidence? I think not. They're both talking the truth about the identity of the Catalyst, that is the most straight-forward and logical explanation. How else could they both tell exactly the same lie without knowing it from each other?

The Catalyst is an AI created by the Leviathans. The AI created Harbinger as his first reaper. That's what's told by the game. Any deviation from this is pure speculation.

How do you like the taste of your own medicine?

I wouldn't know, I have yet to taste my own medicine.

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Thanks Krimzie  I suppose you could say it's similar to how Legion as a very distinct personality even though he's made from many minds.

On another note, you were talking earlier about the ending music for ME1, and here's something interesting:

Mass Effect 1's ending.

Mass Effect 2's ending.

ME1's is called "The End", while ME2's is the same track with the end of "The Normandy Reborn" instead, which is a remake of "The End" anyway. This track doesn't play at all at the end of ME3.

There are numerous other parallels between ME1/2's endings. A particularly noteworthy one is that Shepard's gets up out of rubble.

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

There was a paragon interrupt for engineers?

I dont think my engineer got one.

Maybe because she's my renegade character?

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

There is no ReaperShep in Mass Effect 3, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

[Big_Boss9]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

Was that the one about the camera?

No, during the reactor scene when you have to decide whether to reroute power to save the civilians or let them die. Only Engineers can immediately paragon interrupt while all other classes have to let the scene play out and wait if they want to save them.

EDIT: Byne, correct.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Bull****.  You're speculating now.  Not to mention you're taking things at face value from two beings that are known to be dishonest and manipulative.

No, I'n not speculating, I'm simply listening to what is being said in the game.

Both these beings, the Leviathans and the Catalyst, say EXACTLY the same thing without knowing it from each other. Coincidence? I think not. They're both talking the truth about the identity of the Catalyst, that is the most straight-forward and logical explanation. How else could they both tell exactly the same lie without knowing it from each other?

The Catalyst is an AI created by the Leviathans. The AI created Harbinger as his first reaper. That's what's told by the game. Any deviation from this is pure speculation.

How do you like the taste of your own medicine?

I wouldn't know, I have yet to taste my own medicine.

Saying the AI the Leviathans created is the same one as the end is speculation.

[The Heretic of Time]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

Nope, 50.000 years into the future of my game Catalyst Shepard is killing some f*cking n00b aliens who are new to the game and just created a bunch of synthetics. So my Catalyst Shepard has do the cleaning up again. It's not easy to be the ruler of the galaxy.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

That's awesome.  class exclusive interrupts were one of the few great parts of DA2.  I particularly liked the one where some slaver is trying to pull a hostage gambit and rogue Hawke just casually tosses a dagger into his windpipe.

I'm currently playing DA2, and I forgot that I kind of like the way that Hawke's auto-dialogue changes based on if you're friendly, sarcastic, or aggressive most of the time. Sarcastic Hawke is pretty great.

[CoolioThane]

Can we all just agree chocolate milk and chocolate ice cream and chocolate yoghurts are disgusting?

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

Nope, 50.000 years into the future of my game Catalyst Shepard is killing some f*cking n00b aliens who are new to the game and just created a bunch of synthetics. So my Catalyst Shepard has do the cleaning up again. It's not easy to be the ruler of the galaxy.

You're both right.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Andromidius wrote...

Well, being nitpicky here, but...

1/ Length.  It was 2.5 hours for me, more or less.  Was expecting 5 hours, considering that's what Bioware said.

2/ Overhyped coolness.  It was decent, but not as amazing as Bioware was making out.

3/ Buggy.  Cutscenes were a mess and sometimes enemies didn't attack properly.

4/ Zero consquence.  Sadly, Omega is completely self-contained in every sense of the word.

5/ Price.

6/ No new lore.

7/ No Collectors at all, not even weaponry.

That being said, yes the level design was pretty awesome and atmospheric (if linier), and the sound effects were chillingly butt-clenching.  Dialogue was decent enough.  And perhaps the first instance of not hitting an Interupt actually doing something good?

I easily got 6 hours out of it. But I always take my sweet time looking around everywhere and replaying certain sections I liked.

As for coolness, for me it was a lot cooler than I expected. I didn't have many expectations.

I haven't noticed any bugs at all, that I can remember.

Consequence: well, how Aria's personality develops might have implications for the next game. I didn't mind Nyreen not being able to take over... it would have been kind of contrived to have her commandeer Aria's forces. She was more of a freedom fighter, and I thought her end was kind of fitting.

The price is steep, yes, but I can easily see how much work must have gone into it. But yeah, it is slightly overpriced.

I didn't expect Collectors, so it was no surprise they weren't there. It also wouldn't make sense. The base was destroyed. If there are still Collectors, then they are coming from dark space (like in the MP story), not from the base that we destroyed.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:52 .

[BansheeOwnage]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

Was that the one about the camera?

No. By the way, what happens if you don't do that.

And what's with the camera showing that Cerberus turret in Aria's bunker? I thought for sure it would open up on us randomly.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

That's awesome.  class exclusive interrupts were one of the few great parts of DA2.  I particularly liked the one where some slaver is trying to pull a hostage gambit and rogue Hawke just casually tosses a dagger into his windpipe.

I'm currently playing DA2, and I forgot that I kind of like the way that Hawke's auto-dialogue changes based on if you're friendly, sarcastic, or aggressive most of the time. Sarcastic Hawke is pretty great.

Sarcastic Hawke is the only reason to ever play DA2.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Bull****.  You're speculating now.  Not to mention you're taking things at face value from two beings that are known to be dishonest and manipulative.

No, I'n not speculating, I'm simply listening to what is being said in the game.

Both these beings, the Leviathans and the Catalyst, say EXACTLY the same thing without knowing it from each other. Coincidence? I think not. They're both talking the truth about the identity of the Catalyst, that is the most straight-forward and logical explanation. How else could they both tell exactly the same lie without knowing it from each other?

The Catalyst is an AI created by the Leviathans. The AI created Harbinger as his first reaper. That's what's told by the game. Any deviation from this is pure speculation.

How do you like the taste of your own medicine?

I wouldn't know, I have yet to taste my own medicine.

Saying the AI the Leviathans created is the same one as the end is speculation.

How the f*ck is that assumption?

If you're going on like that than we could easily say EVERYTHING is an assumption.

How do you know you're truly alive BleedingUranium? How do you know that what you experience now is real? You don't. It's all just an assumption.  Maybe you're actually living in the Matrix or something like that and you wouldn't even know. So claiming that you really exist and this world is real is just an assumption. 

[BleedingUranium]

CoolioThane wrote...

Can we all just agree chocolate milk and chocolate ice cream and chocolate yoghurts are disgusting?

No. No. No idea.

[Ithurael]

Andromidius wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar you do realize if Harbinger is the Catalyst/ brat at the end, which you can tell he is,

Bullsh*t. You can't tell he is. You just assume he is. Your speculation mate. And I do not agree with your assumption.

Edit: In fact, the Catalyst himself and the Leviathans flatout disprove your assumption. 

Bull****.  You're speculating now.  Not to mention you're taking things at face value from two beings that are known to be dishonest and manipulative.

How do you like the taste of your own medicine?

when did the reapers really lie? They were really very honest with us and quite blunt. The reapers never came across as outright deceptive - which I must say was one of my fav qualities about them.

I mean if Harbinger really WAS the first reaper - which I could believe and get behind- the only thing I can imagine a reaper ever said to us that was a lie was sovy's:
"We have no beginning"

Technically they (the reapers) did have a beginning but prob when the civ was harvested when sovy was created they knew it was reapers that were harvesting them. Now for my speculaiton, when the race harvested to create sovy was being processed odds are that they were not informed about the reaper history, instead they were given a directive  by star jar to 'preserve organic life' bs that we get at the ending. Thus they did not know how the reapers began they just knew that they harvested organics.

again, the last bit is my speculation.

sry for typos and misspells

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

Nope, 50.000 years into the future of my game Catalyst Shepard is killing some f*cking n00b aliens who are new to the game and just created a bunch of synthetics. So my Catalyst Shepard has do the cleaning up again. It's not easy to be the ruler of the galaxy.

>implying thats not whats happening in that picture

[Andromidius]

If you want some sarcastic and dickholish dialogue, play Darksiders II. Death is a massive jerk.

And I love it.

"I'm not your errand boy, Maker."

[Big_Boss9]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

Was that the one about the camera?

No. By the way, what happens if you don't do that.

And what's with the camera showing that Cerberus turret in Aria's bunker? I thought for sure it would open up on us randomly.

I replayed that section just out of curiosity. Aria talks a little longer then shoots it herself. Not sure why that's a Renegade interrupt to begin with. Only stupid Sheps wouldn't shoot it.

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

Nope, 50.000 years into the future of my game Catalyst Shepard is killing some f*cking n00b aliens who are new to the game and just created a bunch of synthetics. So my Catalyst Shepard has do the cleaning up again. It's not easy to be the ruler of the galaxy.

>implying thats not whats happening in that picture

The big difference is that my Shepard isn't a reaper. My Shepard died, but left a mirror image of himself as the new Catalyst.

Catalyst =/= a reaper.

Catalyst = ruler of ALL the reapers.

[CmdrShep80]

Keep in mind all of Aria's little lines in the beginning of Omega:

Aria:  This is about your war Shepard.
Omega's dlc isn't about Aria or Nyreen, it's a metaphor about Shepard and his war
Aria:  How things begin is not important as how they end.
We all believe the ending is the most improtant part right?  Else there wouldn't be this big backlash about fixing the ending.  No one peeped about the beginning did they?

I'm using those two lines to create the context for everything below.  You can find double meanings in all the statements below cause of it

Aria:  You're so quick to trust, huh, Shepard
Shepard trusts the Catalyst so quickly

Aria:  And if you think you're going to change me, well, you're welcome to try
Shepard tries to change TIM and TIM dies and/or Shepard gets changed by the Catalyst and still picks destroy

Nyreen:  You'll find me very willing to liberate this station
Shepard is very willing to liberate Earth.  Both are not from there originally in my game (Earth and Omega)

Squad Leader:  Make every d**n shot count
Isn't this important when destroying the tubes and shooting the last few enemies on the way to the beam?

Mechanic:  I'm giving up.  New inverters are the only answer
I'm giving up.  Synthesis is the only answer.  Or  I'm giving up.  Refuse is the only answer.  Or I'm giving up.  Control is the only answer

Hacker:  I've been tasked with increasing this command center's control of Omega's operating systems
If we go with Bleeding's thought (I think it was his thought) about Omega looking like a brain...it's interesting to see we're trying to regain control of the brain

Soldier with the missing partner:  What?  Ruck...I can't find a single reference to that location
Soldier with the missing partner:  Only you could get lost like that.  I don't even know how you do it.
Hmmm mystery location that's not listed on Omega.  Hmm...mystery decision chamber that's not listed on any current maps of the citadel for ME1 through ME3

[Rifneno]

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie? They were really very honest with us and quite blunt. The reapers never came across as outright deceptive - which I must say was one of my fav qualities about them.

I mean if Harbinger really WAS the first reaper - which I could believe and get behind- the only thing I can imagine a reaper ever said to us that was a lie was sovy's:
"We have no beginning"

Technically they (the reapers) did have a beginning but prob when the civ was harvested when sovy was created they knew it was reapers that were harvesting them. Now for my speculaiton, when the race harvested to create sovy was being processed odds are that they were not informed about the reaper history, instead they were given a directive  by star jar to 'preserve organic life' bs that we get at the ending. Thus they did not know how the reapers began they just knew that they harvested organics.

again, the last bit is my speculation.

sry for typos and misspells

Most of what Sovereign said is a lie if you believe Harby and starbrat.  Even if not, there's lots of things like how they offer to "negotiate peace" with world leaders only to indoctrinate them when they show up for peace talks.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The big difference is that my Shepard isn't a reaper. My Shepard died, but left a mirror image of himself as the new Catalyst.

Catalyst =/= a reaper.

Catalyst = ruler of ALL the reapers.

Well theres only one Reaper in that picture. Maybe they all have Shepard's head. You dont know.