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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

I agree with you. One of the Homunculi, named Wrath, states that his personality was formed from the collective wrath of those trapped in his stone, but that he is his own person. There are other examples throughout the anime as well, such as the inside the philosopher stone scenes where it shows all the souls as ghost-like faces in the background, and yet the Homunculus's personality is a seperate, full body person who dwells inside it.

[CmdrShep80]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Also, the very first class-based interrupt was in Omega. Only Engineers could Paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. Would've liked to have options like that in the game proper.

I thought that was really cool once I found out about it

Was that the one about the camera?

No. By the way, what happens if you don't do that.

And what's with the camera showing that Cerberus turret in Aria's bunker? I thought for sure it would open up on us randomly.

I replayed that section just out of curiosity. Aria talks a little longer then shoots it herself. Not sure why that's a Renegade interrupt to begin with. Only stupid Sheps wouldn't shoot it.

I didn't shoot it....so I guess that makes me what? LMAO  By the way I like playing paragon so I'm finishing off the paragon play through like I have been playing it.  The next time I go through it I might choose other things

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Can we all just agree chocolate milk and chocolate ice cream and chocolate yoghurts are disgusting?

But Coolio, how can anyone think chocolate is disgusting? 

[CmdrShep80]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Keep in mind all of Aria's little lines in the beginning of Omega:

Aria:  This is about your war Shepard.
Omega's dlc isn't about Aria or Nyreen, it's a metaphor about Shepard and his war
Aria:  How things begin is not important as how they end.
We all believe the ending is the most improtant part right?  Else there wouldn't be this big backlash about fixing the ending.  No one peeped about the beginning did they?

I'm using those two lines to create the context for everything below.  You can find double meanings in all the statements below cause of it

Aria:  You're so quick to trust, huh, Shepard
Shepard trusts the Catalyst so quickly

Aria:  And if you think you're going to change me, well, you're welcome to try
Shepard tries to change TIM and TIM dies and/or Shepard gets changed by the Catalyst and still picks destroy

Nyreen:  You'll find me very willing to liberate this station
Shepard is very willing to liberate Earth.  Both are not from there originally in my game (Earth and Omega)

Squad Leader:  Make every d**n shot count
Isn't this important when destroying the tubes and shooting the last few enemies on the way to the beam?

Mechanic:  I'm giving up.  New inverters are the only answer
I'm giving up.  Synthesis is the only answer.  Or  I'm giving up.  Refuse is the only answer.  Or I'm giving up.  Control is the only answer

Hacker:  I've been tasked with increasing this command center's control of Omega's operating systems
If we go with Bleeding's thought (I think it was his thought) about Omega looking like a brain...it's interesting to see we're trying to regain control of the brain

Soldier with the missing partner:  What?  Ruck...I can't find a single reference to that location
Soldier with the missing partner:  Only you could get lost like that.  I don't even know how you do it.
Hmmm mystery location that's not listed on Omega.  Hmm...mystery decision chamber that's not listed on any current maps of the citadel for ME1 through ME3

*moves it away from the bottom*

[Rifneno]

@CmdrShep80: Ruck is a joke about a (disgusting) character in Dragon Age: Origins.

[401 Kill]

I would imagine that the presumed "Citadel DLC" would be more "plot relevant" than Omega. Maybe even Leviathan! They have the opportunity to do some amazing things there, especially since all the ME3 writers are working on it.

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

I've read somewhere it's mind hive= many minds one body, hive mind= one mind many bodies.

In this case could mind hive apply to individual Reapers and hive mind to the Catalyst/collective intelligence/Harbinger?

Thanks for the info Home Run. Interesting example on that page.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 novembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[Andromidius]

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie?

Sovereign: "We are eternal, the pinnacle of existance."

Sovereign: "The cycle cannot be broken."

Sovereign: "We have no beginning."

Need I go on?

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
*cough* ReaperShep

50,000 years into the future of HH's game...

Nope, 50.000 years into the future of my game Catalyst Shepard is killing some f*cking n00b aliens who are new to the game and just created a bunch of synthetics. So my Catalyst Shepard has do the cleaning up again. It's not easy to be the ruler of the galaxy.

>implying thats not whats happening in that picture

The big difference is that my Shepard isn't a reaper. My Shepard died, but left a mirror image of himself as the new Catalyst.

Catalyst =/= a reaper.

Catalyst = ruler of ALL the reapers.

Thanks for the headcanon.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie?

Sovereign: "We are eternal, the pinnacle of existance."

Sovereign: "The cycle cannot be broken."

Sovereign: "We have no beginning."

Need I go on?

"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

[masster blaster]

Hanar I mean I ment he sound just like Harbinger.

Harbinger in ME2 was always mysterious. Never showing his true face until the end. He was always rather planning ahead, but failed due to Shepard's squad, the Normandy, help he/she got, and him/herself. Harbinger is introduce as " Who the hell is this guy" at the end of ME2. You know that he is a Reaper at the end, or did you not catch on. I didn't until they showed us that he was a Reaper.

Also we know Harbinger is the oldest Reaper/ first. Check.
We know that he is leading the attack on Earth. Check.
We know that somebody has been into Shepard's mind because there is no way in hell a Reaper, or Harbinger would just take the form of a random child that looks like the 1 that died on Earth.

We also know that Harbinger wanted Shepard's mind. Hence what Control could really mean. You do loose your body, but your mind is Harbinger now. Yes Hanar EC, but just shut up and listen.

Harbinger talks about Shepard to the other Reapers.

Harbinger in arrival ( Yes Hanar but Arrival is dlc, and yes but clamp up) wants Shepard alive. He had this 1 chance to kill Shepard right there, but didn't. Makes no sense unless he wanted to Indoctrinate Shepard. Also it appers that Harbinger is talking in Shepard's mind.

If you notice while playing it. Harbinger is trash talking to Shepard, but when Shepard can't take it anymore, he/she passes out. Then you see Kenson being assumed direct Controled by Harbinger.

You can hear her voice, but a mixture of Harbingers voice. Now take the Catalyst for example. The voice of the child, and both Male, and fem Shepard's voices. If Bioware had Harbinger's voice actor speak, don't you think that would give IT away. Also in arrival, it is proven that Shepard can have visons, so if you take the EC epilogue for example, it's all a vison.

Now again your going to say( Hello Dlc), but you forget that the ending is made up of Shepard's memeorys. Even though Shepard never did the dlc's, she/he was suppost to. In a sense the dlc actually help explain the ending's, yet people like you write them off as ( well since they are not on the disk/ it's optinal to get it.." Ya I get it, but Bioware really wanted you to play them. If you notice the ending*, Cerberus, Kai Leng, Sanders, and so much more make no sense, unless you played the dlc's, read the comics, and the novals.

You get a better background in ME3.

[CmdrShep80]

Rifneno wrote...

@CmdrShep80: Ruck is a joke about a (disgusting) character in Dragon Age: Origins.

I didn't know that.  I've never played dragon age.  So what is the character about?

EDIT - what I mean is what is the character about in relation to being lost in an unknown place and can't find his way back

(keep in mind I haven't played beyond finding that soldier)

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 29 novembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[BleedingUranium]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Keep in mind all of Aria's little lines in the beginning of Omega:

Aria:  This is about your war Shepard.
Omega's dlc isn't about Aria or Nyreen, it's a metaphor about Shepard and his war
Aria:  How things begin is not important as how they end.
We all believe the ending is the most improtant part right?  Else there wouldn't be this big backlash about fixing the ending.  No one peeped about the beginning did they?

I'm using those two lines to create the context for everything below.  You can find double meanings in all the statements below cause of it

Aria:  You're so quick to trust, huh, Shepard
Shepard trusts the Catalyst so quickly

Aria:  And if you think you're going to change me, well, you're welcome to try
Shepard tries to change TIM and TIM dies and/or Shepard gets changed by the Catalyst and still picks destroy

Nyreen:  You'll find me very willing to liberate this station
Shepard is very willing to liberate Earth.  Both are not from there originally in my game (Earth and Omega)

Squad Leader:  Make every d**n shot count
Isn't this important when destroying the tubes and shooting the last few enemies on the way to the beam?

Mechanic:  I'm giving up.  New inverters are the only answer
I'm giving up.  Synthesis is the only answer.  Or  I'm giving up.  Refuse is the only answer.  Or I'm giving up.  Control is the only answer

Hacker:  I've been tasked with increasing this command center's control of Omega's operating systems
If we go with Bleeding's thought (I think it was his thought) about Omega looking like a brain...it's interesting to see we're trying to regain control of the brain

Soldier with the missing partner:  What?  Ruck...I can't find a single reference to that location
Soldier with the missing partner:  Only you could get lost like that.  I don't even know how you do it.
Hmmm mystery location that's not listed on Omega.  Hmm...mystery decision chamber that's not listed on any current maps of the citadel for ME1 through ME3

That freaked me the hell out when I heard it!

[byne]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

@CmdrShep80: Ruck is a joke about a (disgusting) character in Dragon Age: Origins.

I didn't know that.  I've never played dragon age.  So what is the character about?

He lives in the Deep Roads and is insane. I think he either eats Darkspawn or drinks their blood. I cant remember which.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...
"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

I think the only 'honest' Reaper so far has been Harbinger.  Mostly because he's pretty blunt about how much he hates Organics, and how much he wants to get his tenticles on Shepard's body.

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I view it as something similar to a Homunculi's Philosopher Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. In this anime, a Philosopher stone was made by melting down thousands of people into it, and then a Homunculus, who claim to be the perfect lifeforms btw, is formed from it. The stone still has all the souls inside who retain their individuality, but the Homunculus themself has their own identity.  

Sure. And that makes perfect sense. Just like Legion has somewhat of an individual personality.

But it seems rather weird and conterproductive to force the personality of an individual organic on an entire hive-mind.

I think, when a reaper is born, there is also a new personality born from the hive-mind, based on the collective experience of the entire species the reaper was build from.

I agree with you. One of the Homunculi, named Wrath, states that his personality was formed from the collective wrath of those trapped in his stone, but that he is his own person. There are other examples throughout the anime as well, such as the inside the philosopher stone scenes where it shows all the souls as ghost-like faces in the background, and yet the Homunculus's personality is a seperate, full body person who dwells inside it.

I've seen the anime, You're talking about the remake of Full-Metal Alchemist right? FMA: Brotherhood.

And yes, I agree with you. It's also exactly what we see in the Control ending of the Extended Cut by the way. We see Shepard as a full body person dwelling inside a reaper. Not sure if BioWare intended it to be intepretated as such, or if they just wanted to make a cool cut from one shot to another shot by going from the Shepard-walking-in-the-mist scene to the reapers-rebuilding scene with a white flash from the reaper headlight.

[acidic-ph0]

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie? They were really very honest with us and quite blunt. The reapers never came across as outright deceptive - which I must say was one of my fav qualities about them.

Ummm... I believe Indoctrination is an insidious and deceptive tactic that the reapers have pretty much perfected. In fact deception is their primary (and most effective) weapon against every cycle. So yeah, they have every reason to subtly corrupt your ways of thinking down to your very core moral beliefs. Pretty much every character (in the games, books...etc) who listens to a Reaper and begins to agree with its thinking and methodology has been indoctrinated. See where I'm going with this? XD

Harvesting species is a lot easier when you can manipulate them into thinking that what you're doing is "for the best".

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

I think the only 'honest' Reaper so far has been Harbinger.  Mostly because he's pretty blunt about how much he hates Organics, and how much he wants to get his tenticles on Shepard's body.

The i you added to tentacles made me read it as a totally different word, and it painted a horrifying mental picture.

[Ithurael]

 

Rifneno wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie? They were really very honest with us and quite blunt. The reapers never came across as outright deceptive - which I must say was one of my fav qualities about them.

I mean if Harbinger really WAS the first reaper - which I could believe and get behind- the only thing I can imagine a reaper ever said to us that was a lie was sovy's:
"We have no beginning"

Technically they (the reapers) did have a beginning but prob when the civ was harvested when sovy was created they knew it was reapers that were harvesting them. Now for my speculaiton, when the race harvested to create sovy was being processed odds are that they were not informed about the reaper history, instead they were given a directive  by star jar to 'preserve organic life' bs that we get at the ending. Thus they did not know how the reapers began they just knew that they harvested organics.

again, the last bit is my speculation.

sry for typos and misspells

Most of what Sovereign said is a lie if you believe Harby and starbrat.  Even if not, there's lots of things like how they offer to "negotiate peace" with world leaders only to indoctrinate them when they show up for peace talks.

hmm I did forget about the 'negotiate portion' in ME3 that is a good point.

Though, then again reapers are more 'machine-like' so there is the lia via omission, but a lie is a lie none the less. Well played badger

Though, how is most of what sovy says a lie? I always liked Soveriegn. Though Harbinger will always be infinitely his greater.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

I think the only 'honest' Reaper so far has been Harbinger.  Mostly because he's pretty blunt about how much he hates Organics, and how much he wants to get his tenticles on Shepard's body.

My vote goes to Sovereign.  He's a Lovecraftian horror, but at least he's honest about it and not spewing any of that "I'm saving you by torture-murdering you" drivel.

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

@CmdrShep80: Ruck is a joke about a (disgusting) character in Dragon Age: Origins.

I didn't know that.  I've never played dragon age.  So what is the character about?

He lives in the Deep Roads and is insane. I think he either eats Darkspawn or drinks their blood. I cant remember which.

Lol you got to me before I finished editing.  I asked in the edit what is the relation between Ruck and the line about running away and not being able to find your way back cause you're stuck in an unknown location? (or something similar)

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

@CmdrShep80: Ruck is a joke about a (disgusting) character in Dragon Age: Origins.

I didn't know that.  I've never played dragon age.  So what is the character about?

He lives in the Deep Roads and is insane. I think he either eats Darkspawn or drinks their blood. I cant remember which.

He eats them, I believe.  And he's a nice enough guy, for a crazy loon.  Feel really sorry for him more then anything.

[CmdrShep80]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

I think the only 'honest' Reaper so far has been Harbinger.  Mostly because he's pretty blunt about how much he hates Organics, and how much he wants to get his tenticles on Shepard's body.

My vote goes to Sovereign.  He's a Lovecraftian horror, but at least he's honest about it and not spewing any of that "I'm saving you by torture-murdering you" drivel.

probably because he was tired of roaming the galaxy trying to find the key to the citadel and repeating that message over and over and over and over while everyone else was off hibernatiing in dark space and haven't said that line to people in 50,000 years and over use it

[Ithurael]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

when did the reapers really lie? They were really very honest with us and quite blunt. The reapers never came across as outright deceptive - which I must say was one of my fav qualities about them.

Ummm... I believe Indoctrination is an insidious and deceptive tactic that the reapers have pretty much perfected. In fact deception is their primary (and most effective) weapon against every cycle. So yeah, they have every reason to subtly corrupt your ways of thinking down to your very core moral beliefs. Pretty much every character (in the games, books...etc) who listens to a Reaper and begins to agree with its thinking and methodology has been indoctrinated. See where I'm going with this? XD

Harvesting species is a lot easier when you can manipulate them into thinking that what you're doing is "for the best".

indoctrination =/= lying.

Indoctrination is a process not a lie. I was looking for an example of the reapers being outright deceptive in what they conveyed. The badger provided a sufficient enough example. I haven't played ME3 since levy tbh. the ending still kinda hurts a bit.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
"Jump into this beam and it'll rewrite the way reality works" is a pretty good one too.  You kind of have to be "legally required to wear a helmet to Wal-Mart" to believe it though.

I think the only 'honest' Reaper so far has been Harbinger.  Mostly because he's pretty blunt about how much he hates Organics, and how much he wants to get his tenticles on Shepard's body.

My vote goes to Sovereign.  He's a Lovecraftian horror, but at least he's honest about it and not spewing any of that "I'm saving you by torture-murdering you" drivel.

Sovereign gets my badass vote, but he's still lying about not having a beginning.  Even if everything the Leviathans say is completely false (not putting it past them, to be honest) and they didn't even create the Reapers, everything has a beginning - at least until the formation of the Universe.