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[MaximizedAction]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 I doubt that this will come to fruition for two reasons:
1) ME3 is Shepard's story so they wouldn't introduce a new protaggonist for the ME3 expansion
2) ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so Shepard will not appear as the antagonist for ME4 because then Shepard's story wasn't over in ME3.

Shocking suggestion!!!

But no, I also have my doubt's the next full ME game will feature Shepard as the main char. However, expansion packs aren't excluded from being a possiblity to take care of this little bit of unfinished business with the Reapers.

[archangel1996]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Hell, I myself am trying to explain that Anderson-1000-EMS stuff myself.
I could explain it for Synthesis and Control, since a Shepard with a shatterd psych due to seeing his mentor being executed could mean that his "essence" in Synthesis and Control is tainted and you would actually need more EMS for these endings.
BUT since this does not change the required EMS for Synthesis and Control exclusively, but also for Destroy it is just not logical in a literal POV.
It makes no sense and is obviously put there intentional!

Well actually the death of Anderson only raises the EMS requierment for the breath scene. It doesn't make a difference for any other ending. The Control, Synthesis and Refuse endings are always the same regardless of what you do with Anderson. It's only the High EMS Destroy endings that needs an even higher EMS if you killed Anderson.

Exactly, if Shepard has low EMS it means that Shepard...did nothing to really fight the Reapers, so Star child give you the BAD destroy ending, you kill everyone
If the EMS is high it needs something to distract Shepard so that he/she will not choose the way out(destroy)
IF Shep let TIM kill Anderson he needs something to replaice the personification of his/he coscience and so the EMS has to be higher
In the end, Control and Synthesis don't change because they are the two bad choices, Destroy changes depending on Shepard's EMS=Will

Modifié par archangel1996, 29 novembre 2012 - 08:19 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Its interesting how much people complain about fighting Cerberus in a war with the Reapers. It makes perfect sense IMO seeing as its well within the Reapers' capabilities to make others do their dirty work.

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about having to spend 3/4s of ME2 fighting the three stooges of the mercenary world while pursuing the collectors.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 I doubt that this will come to fruition for two reasons:
1) ME3 is Shepard's story so they wouldn't introduce a new protaggonist for the ME3 expansion
2) ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so Shepard will not appear as the antagonist for ME4 because then Shepard's story wasn't over in ME3.

Shocking suggestion!!!

But no, I also have my doubt's the next full ME game will feature Shepard as the main char. However, expansion packs aren't excluded from being a possiblity to take care of this little bit of unfinished business with the Reapers.

True, but then that conflicts with point 1 in that Shepard won't be the main character in a game where he is supposed to be the main character. This would only work if in the "intoctrinated endings", you played as an indoctrinated Shepard, similar to the Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O.

[Andromidius]

smokingotter1 wrote...
It is also my belief in the end the decision chamber being an overlay of reality in "destroy ending" as Shepard is shooting the "tube" he is in reality showing he still is resisting. The explosion is from the blast of Harbinger's laser. Look at the pic above. see that black effect during the explosion, same effect used when a reaper laser hits the ground.

Nice.  That is something I didn't even really consider.

Synthesis and Control = indoctrinated.
Destroy = killed by Harbinger.
Refuse = paralysed by indecision, bleeds out and dies.

And the breath ending could be Shepard surviving the blast somehow.

Regardless, I'd be okay with a new protagonist in this case.  The save file could dictate whether or not Shepard shows up as an enemy, or is MIA/dead.

[Rifneno]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 I doubt that this will come to fruition for two reasons:
1) ME3 is Shepard's story so they wouldn't introduce a new protaggonist for the ME3 expansion
2) ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so Shepard will not appear as the antagonist for ME4 because then Shepard's story wasn't over in ME3.

Shocking suggestion!!!

But no, I also have my doubt's the next full ME game will feature Shepard as the main char. However, expansion packs aren't excluded from being a possiblity to take care of this little bit of unfinished business with the Reapers.

True, but then that conflicts with point 1 in that Shepard won't be the main character in a game where he is supposed to be the main character. This would only work if in the "intoctrinated endings", you played as an indoctrinated Shepard, similar to the Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O.

I doubt we'll see anything along the lines of Darkspawn Chronicles again.  From what I read, it sold very poorly.  People just didn't like the concept.

[RavenEyry]

This is such an obvious comparison I'm amazed I haven't noticed it before, although I'm sure others have:
Shooting pipes is vital in killing the human reaper.
Shooting a pipe is the method for activating destroy.

[ElSuperGecko]

Rifneno wrote...
I doubt we'll see anything along the lines of Darkspawn Chronicles again.  From what I read, it sold very poorly.  People just didn't like the concept.

I got it.  More for completionist's sake than anything else.  Wasn't overly impressed, though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rifneno wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 I doubt that this will come to fruition for two reasons:
1) ME3 is Shepard's story so they wouldn't introduce a new protaggonist for the ME3 expansion
2) ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so Shepard will not appear as the antagonist for ME4 because then Shepard's story wasn't over in ME3.

Shocking suggestion!!!

But no, I also have my doubt's the next full ME game will feature Shepard as the main char. However, expansion packs aren't excluded from being a possiblity to take care of this little bit of unfinished business with the Reapers.

True, but then that conflicts with point 1 in that Shepard won't be the main character in a game where he is supposed to be the main character. This would only work if in the "intoctrinated endings", you played as an indoctrinated Shepard, similar to the Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O.

I doubt we'll see anything along the lines of Darkspawn Chronicles again.  From what I read, it sold very poorly.  People just didn't like the concept.

Which means that the expansion of the "indoctrinated endings" won't happen and thus an expansion at all wouldn't happen because then it would be supplying only to the Destroy crowd.

[The Heretic of Time]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IT is an open, ongoing and developing discussion of the endings combined with the story, the lore and the background of the Mass Effect series.

And combined with a lot of speculation and assumptions, don't forget that part.

But really, in all seriousness, we can discuss the IT all we want, but it doesn't change the nature of the IT; a simple handwave to the nonsensical parts of the ME3 story, especially the ending. In that sense the IT is as much a cop-out as "bad writing", which is not really a cop-out if it's actually true.

The "bad writting" argument is simply writing the story off.  It's a cop-out, and a pretty ignorant and snobbish one at that.

It's not a cop-out if it's true. Some parts of ME3 really just don't make sense and you actually have to jump through quite a few loops to make sense of the mess.

Everything in that rather elongated diatribe is you opinion and therefore subjective.  You're free of course to have that opinion, and believe it, just so long as you understand that it IS simply an opinion, one that's not shared by everyone and you don't try to pass it off as fact.  Because that would be ignorant.

Oh sure, of course it's just an opinion. Just like saying that The Room is a terrible terrible TERRIBLE movie is just an opinion.

In case you don't know The Room, check this and you'll understand what I'm trying to say here.

You know, hindsight is a wonderful, wonderful thing.  I'm sure Bioware will readily admit that there are things they could have done better throughout the trilogy.  However, that doesn't instantly make it all "bad writing".  Bioware attempted to do something innovative with the Mass Effect series, and for the most part it worked very well.  They have produced a killer app franchise, with three outstanding, award winning, best-selling games set an immersive, extensive universe which they created from scratch.  Note that this isn't opinion, this is fact.  They may not have got everything perfect, but there is MUCH more good than bad in the series.

Bullsh*t! That is NOT a fact. It's an opinion.

Did Mass Effect win many awards? Yes, that's a fact.
Is there more good about the series than bad about the series? Well, maybe in your OPINION, but it most certainly is NOT a fact!

Seriously, you can't dismiss what I think is bad about ME3 as "just your opinion man" and then all of the sudden you go stating your own opinions as facts. That's just hypocritical. You're using double-standards man.

Look, it's fairly obvious you were disappointed with the way the Mass Effect series panned out.  It's obvious you didn't enjoy the endings, and it's obvious that you have many reasons for this disechantment.  But at the end of the day, your opinion is just one opinion.  And an opinion - especially a biased one - is not a foundation for a convincing argument.

Well first of all "biased opinion" is a pleonasm. Opinions are always biased.

Thing is, that my opinions (they are indeed opinions) are not just random thoughts. They are very well grounded and based on very valid complaints. It also so happens that a lot of people seem to think the same. Of course, I know, argumentum ad populum, you don't need to tell me that. All I'm saying is that my opinions did not come out of thin air and a lot of complaints that are voiced about ME3 by the general consensus are very valid complaints.

Sure, "bad writing" is just an opinion, but so is "the IT makes more sense". You think the IT makes more sense than the literal intepretation of the ending, but that too is just an opinion.


In the end, opinions is all we have mate. So if we can't use opinions as a foundation for a discussion, than there isn't really anything to discuss about. We're talking about fiction. When it comes to fiction, EVERYTHING burns down to personal intepretations and personal opinions.


But yeah, I want to finish this by using my 'The Room' example one more time. The Room is not a bad movie! The "bad movie" argument is simply writing the story  and acting off.  It's a cop-out, and a pretty ignorant and snobbish one at that. You can say what you want about The Room, but in the end it's all just your opinion. And an opinion - especially a biased one - is not a foundation for a convincing argument. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

RavenEyry wrote...

This is such an obvious comparison I'm amazed I haven't noticed it before, although I'm sure others have:
Shooting pipes is vital in killing the human reaper.
Shooting a pipe is the method for activating destroy.

Except shooting the pipes didn't do anything to the Reaper Larvae except wake it up and ****** it off. Understandable. If was napping after drinking a human smoothie and all of a sudden people start shooting at my smoothie I'd be pretty angry too.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 novembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[dreamgazer]

Rifneno wrote...

I doubt we'll see anything along the lines of Darkspawn Chronicles again.  From what I read, it sold very poorly.  People just didn't like the concept.

I hadn't played it until I got the Ultimate Edition with all the bundled DLC. It's awful: glitchy, uninteresting, stale controls, and annoyingly impertinent in terms of the lore.  

[Andromidius]

dreamgazer wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I doubt we'll see anything along the lines of Darkspawn Chronicles again.  From what I read, it sold very poorly.  People just didn't like the concept.

I hadn't played it until I got the Ultimate Edition with all the bundled DLC. It's awful: glitchy, uninteresting, stale controls, and annoyingly impertinent in terms of the lore.  

It would probably have done better if it got the same level of attention the core game got.

Would probably work better for ME3 - much bigger fanbase to start with.  And most people don't buy DLC after playing the core game anyway.

[The Heretic of Time]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about having to spend 3/4s of ME2 fighting the three stooges of the mercenary world while pursuing the collectors.

Actually there has been tons  of complaints that we had to fight the same 3 color-coded Sesame Street gangs that are totally unrelated to the plot over and over again. I've been one of the people who had a very strong opinion on this and I've voiced it plenty of times. The color-coded Sesame Street gangs where one of the worst things of ME2.

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

Dragon Age Orgins.

More like Dragon Age: Awakening.  Technically speaking you're supposed to die in DA: O, and only cheat your way out by sacricing someone else, or doing the dark ritual.  

Designing ME4 to allow a similar style of either being Shepard or someone else would be fun.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

SwobyJ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
Random idea of expansion/ME4:

Synthesis --> Completely indoctrinated Shepard, enemy
Control --> Mostly indoctrinated and struggling Shepard, enemy?
Destroy --> Partially indoctrinated but actively fighting it, Shepard, protagonist?
Refuse --> Shepard dies, but dies free, new protagonist?
New ME4/expansion file --> New protagonist

 I doubt that this will come to fruition for two reasons:
1) ME3 is Shepard's story so they wouldn't introduce a new protaggonist for the ME3 expansion
2) ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, so Shepard will not appear as the antagonist for ME4 because then Shepard's story wasn't over in ME3.

Dragon Age Orgins.

Bioware since before ME2 even came out stated that Shepard's story would only be a trilogy. While they have changed their mind on some things, like how important the Rachni are, what Javik was, etc., I severely doubt they will change their minds that drastically. That's one reason why Shepard dies in 4/5 endings, to make sure Shepard's story, at least as we know them, is clearly over.

[Rifneno]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Which means that the expansion of the "indoctrinated endings" won't happen and thus an expansion at all wouldn't happen because then it would be supplying only to the Destroy crowd.

No, which means most players will pick the right choice once it's revealed. Kind of like how nobody lets Miranda do the biotic bubble unless they just wanna watch someone die.

[spotlessvoid]

Dreamgazer

Maybe my post was for the thread and not the troll? Back in Mark 1, another user was doing the same kind of things. It took me presenting a collection of all his repeated insults before everyone acknowledged that yes that person was trolling despite pretending that he wasn't. Many defended him too, despite actually admitting over and over that he was trolling. After I proved beyond all doubt what he was, his support dried up and he left. And he was much smarter and considerably funnier. He also had some sense of humility.


This one?I can't really ignore him when page after page is littered with people trying to argue against his troll logic can I? Ignoring only works if it's unanimous, but isn't going to happen as long as people think he isn't a troll. So if I have to watch the thread going on endless loops of logic that ultimately lead to "derp bad writing" then that just kills the fun. Don't know about you, but I don't enjoy being insulted repeatedly by someone with nothing valuable to contribute and who is only here to mock. As long as everyone keeps engaging his troll logic, filling page after page with nonsense, then I'll keep pointing it out.

Funny how just a day ago people were pm'ing me "he isn't a troll" and now it's "don't feed the troll"......then they feed him anyways. I guess what they mean is be nice when feeding the troll.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about having to spend 3/4s of ME2 fighting the three stooges of the mercenary world while pursuing the collectors.

Actually there has been tons  of complaints that we had to fight the same 3 color-coded Sesame Street gangs that are totally unrelated to the plot over and over again. I've been one of the people who had a very strong opinion on this and I've voiced it plenty of times. The color-coded Sesame Street gangs where one of the worst things of ME2.

Ther were also complaints that there shouldn't be a final boss fight, Harbinger talked too much, we needed more Liara, etc. Then ME3 comes along, and people say how great Harbinger was, how we need boss fights, and how Liara is forced onto the screen too much. Meanwhile, Bioware's going "What do they want from us?!"

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 novembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Dwailing]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about having to spend 3/4s of ME2 fighting the three stooges of the mercenary world while pursuing the collectors.

Actually there has been tons  of complaints that we had to fight the same 3 color-coded Sesame Street gangs that are totally unrelated to the plot over and over again. I've been one of the people who had a very strong opinion on this and I've voiced it plenty of times. The color-coded Sesame Street gangs where one of the worst things of ME2.

Ther were also complaints that there shouldn't be a final boss fight, Harbinger talked too much, we needed more Liara, etc. Then ME3 comes along, and people say how great Harbinger was, how we need boss fights, and how Liara is forced onto the screen too much. Meanwhile, Bioware's going "What do they want?!"

Simple, the fanbase wants more and less of everything SIMULTANEOUSLY!   I get the feeling that the term Fan Dumb applies with a lot of these people.

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 novembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Davik Kang]

Troll still a-trollin'? Looks like ppl are talking about him even when he ain't here. Looks like his work is going splendidly!

I'm still blindfolded, I ain't looking forward to reading through all this stuff when I return, it's over 100 pages already. At least I already got Omega...

[Rifneno]

I know, right? It's almost like the fanbase is built of thousands of people, all with varying opinions and preferences. But that can't be!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about having to spend 3/4s of ME2 fighting the three stooges of the mercenary world while pursuing the collectors.

Actually there has been tons  of complaints that we had to fight the same 3 color-coded Sesame Street gangs that are totally unrelated to the plot over and over again. I've been one of the people who had a very strong opinion on this and I've voiced it plenty of times. The color-coded Sesame Street gangs where one of the worst things of ME2.

Ther were also complaints that there shouldn't be a final boss fight, Harbinger talked too much, we needed more Liara, etc. Then ME3 comes along, and people say how great Harbinger was, how we need boss fights, and how Liara is forced onto the screen too much. Meanwhile, Bioware's going "What do they want?!"

Simple, the fanbase wants more and less of everything SIMULTANEOUSLY!   I get the feeling that the term Fan Dumb applies with a lot of these people.

That's BSN, or at least most of it.

[RavenEyry]

The complainers are always the loudest. Sometimes it's a sensible complaint, often not.