Heretic_Hanar wrote...
And combined with a lot of speculation and assumptions, don't forget that part.
The thing is, no one's denying that IT is a lot of speculation and assumptions. We happily admit that we'#re speculating and assuming, however we're doing it in the context of what we're given in game, via the ;ore, the story and the characters.
But really, in all seriousness, we can discuss the IT all we want, but it doesn't change the nature of the IT; a simple handwave to the nonsensical parts of the ME3 story, especially the ending. In that sense the IT is as much a cop-out as "bad writing", which is not really a cop-out if it's actually true.
So basically you're saying that you think that personal opinion is preferable/superior to group debate?
It's not a cop-out if it's true. Some parts of ME3 really just don't make sense and you actually have to jump through quite a few loops to make sense of the mess.
That's your opinion. I disagree. Care to provide some clear examples so I can prove your opinion wrong?
Oh sure, of course it's just an opinion. Just like saying that The Room is a terrible terrible TERRIBLE movie is just an opinion.
I wouldn't presume to know, I've never seen it.
Bullsh*t! That is NOT a fact. It's an opinion. Did Mass Effect win many awards? Yes, that's a fact. Is there more good about the series than bad about the series? Well, maybe in your OPINION, but it most certainly is NOT a fact!
Seriously, you can't dismiss what I think is bad about ME3 as "just your opinion man" and then all of the sudden you go stating your own opinions as facts. That's just hypocritical. You're using double-standards man.
You appear to be confusing pesonal opinion with the general consensus. It's certainly my opinion that there's much more good about the Mass Effect series than bad - but I'm far from alone in that opinion. The Mass Effect series is a critical and commercial success. The overwhelming majority of the people I've spoken to who have played it, loved it. That isn't opinion, that's FACT.
Well first of all "biased opinion" is a pleonasm. Opinions are always biased.
Of course. I'm merely attempting to bludgeon the point home.
Thing is, that my opinions (they are indeed opinions) are not just random thoughts. They are very well grounded and based on very valid complaints. It also so happens that a lot of people seem to think the same. Of course, I know, argumentum ad populum, you don't need to tell me that. All I'm saying is that my opinions did not come out of thin air and a lot of complaints that are voiced about ME3 by the general consensus are very valid complaints.
Give me evidence that your opinions are shared by the majority.
Sure, "bad writing" is just an opinion, but so is "the IT makes more sense". You think the IT makes more sense than the literal intepretation of the ending, but that too is just an opinion.
Of course. I've never denied that, or tried to. I'm perfectly willing to accept that my interpretation of IT is my opinion, and isn't shared by everyone. Hell, my interpretation of IT isn't even shared by the majority of people that follow IT. I'm fine with that.
In the end, opinions is all we have mate. So if we can't use opinions as a foundation for a discussion, than there isn't really anything to discuss about. We're talking about fiction. When it comes to fiction, EVERYTHING burns down to personal intepretations and personal opinions.
I disagree. There is plenty of established lore within the Mass Effect universe that is available as a foundation for discussion. In fact, that's exactly what the IT is based on - the discussion and interpretation of the various endings using the empirical evidence as presented within the game itself. Opinions play a part, certainly, but that's not all there is to it.
Bad writing on the other hand... well, that's ENTIRELY opinion.
But yeah, I want to finish this by using my 'The Room' example one more time. The Room is not a bad movie! The "bad movie" argument is simply writing the story and acting off. It's a cop-out, and a pretty ignorant and snobbish one at that. You can say what you want about The Room, but in the end it's all just your opinion. And an opinion - especially a biased one - is not a foundation for a convincing argument. 
Again, I've never seen it, so I couldn't formulate an opinion (or a convincing argument) one way or another. I will say this, though, if the consensus is that "The Room" is truly awful, then chances are I won't be seeing it.
Fortunately, the general reaction to the Mass Effect series has been overwhelmingly positive.
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I get the feeling that the term Fan Dumb applies with a lot of these people.
That's BSN, or at least most of it.
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