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[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I know, right? It's almost like the fanbase is built of thousands of people, all with varying opinions and preferences. But that can't be!

"People are stupid, individuals aren't."
Don't really know whose quote that is. In any case I can say there is a lot of truth in it and it is somewhat pessimistic outlook on how societies could be organized.

Hasn't it alaways been that way? It's always been the minority of people who are either intelligent, wise, and/or snide enough who control the majority of the population. That's how genocide can eved be initiated. Think of Srebrenica, Rwanda, or the 3rd Reich; Could any of these genocides have happened if the majority of the people hadn't been indoctrinated by their leaders into thinking that killing a select group of people was the right thing?

Of course not.
The point I wanted to convey is, is this a permanent, inherent trait of all societies?
If it was, then any society is doomed. Good education systems, good and informative media and a general sense of skepticism may slow down the decay of a society, but they live on borrowed time, in my view.
And if Starlitegirl was around, I guess she'd post one of her trademark wall of texts to support these assertions.

I think it is. 
No society, country, republic or kingdom will exist forever. At one point, they will crumble, either because the people they used to control became enlightened, through war, or through social and economic collapse. 

Think of the soviet union: The only reason why it was able to survive was through controlling the masses using indoctrination, propaganda and fear. When the civilian population in the union's puppet states decided to rebel, the union collapsed with it. 
At some point, our civilization will crumble, and a new one will rise from the ashes, as has happened every time a great civilization falls. It's an endless cycle of death and rebirth, one that most likely can't be changed. Of course, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are two latin words that describes this process very well, I think: Tabula Rasa. 

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's better. How many volus are these worth?
http://t3.gstatic.co...6SgHDebx05Y2VOQ

All the volus on Irune.

[Humakt83]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

Modifié par Humakt83, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[byne]

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence intended.

Come on, I dont care for anime either, but insulting him for liking it is a bit much.

[The Heretic of Time]

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, lets be honest here: How much sense does the whole War Assets mechanic make in the first place? No matter if you look at it from an IT or literal perspective, the whole War Assets mechanic is completely broken and rather pointless, especially now with the EC that lowered the requirements for all the endings. You have to deliberatly jeopardize yourself to actually be able to get a Low EMS ending. The whole War Assets mechanic has become even more broken and senseless than the Loyalty mechanics from ME2. 

I agree that the EMS numbers were random and it would've been better to not show these number at all, just a vague despription of the military strength. It would've kept the illusion of choice intact.
But this is not the point here. All assets were something to support the efforts to build/understand the Crucible, to support/upgrade fleets, ground troops or supply in general.
The Anderson thing just stands out and is the only asset (if you even want to call it this way) that just cannot provide any usefulness in the battle or the deployment of the Crucible, since Anderson dies regardless. So the criticism of the general EMS concept may be legit, but it does not explain what I've pointed out.

I understand your point, but do you understand mine?

The whole EMS thing with Anderson doesn't make sense in any way or form, be it literal or IT.


Just ask yourself this: What is EMS? If EMS are indeed just the resources that Shepard gathered, than why would Andersons death impact the EMS requirements? It doesn't make sense no matter what perspective. How is a physical thing, physical resources, related to the IT? Is it even related? And how is it related to Anderson? I have no answer to that. I can only say that it doesn't make sense from either perspective.

[Humakt83]

byne wrote...
Come on, I dont care for anime either, but insulting him for liking it is a bit much.

Fine. I apologize for my harsh words. Just wish he'd post less often now when he switched the avatar.

Modifié par Humakt83, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

Blashphemy!
Edit: I forgive you.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

One Piece is only but the best, most popular and most succesful anime series with a gigantic dedicated fanbase that dwarfs even the Mass Effect fanbase. Indeed, I should feel terribly ashamed for liking such a thing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's better. How many volus are these worth?
http://t3.gstatic.co...6SgHDebx05Y2VOQ

All the volus on Irune.

Sounds about right. Maybe throw in some extra colonies.

[Dwailing]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Well, lets be honest here: How much sense does the whole War Assets mechanic make in the first place? No matter if you look at it from an IT or literal perspective, the whole War Assets mechanic is completely broken and rather pointless, especially now with the EC that lowered the requirements for all the endings. You have to deliberatly jeopardize yourself to actually be able to get a Low EMS ending. The whole War Assets mechanic has become even more broken and senseless than the Loyalty mechanics from ME2. 

I agree that the EMS numbers were random and it would've been better to not show these number at all, just a vague despription of the military strength. It would've kept the illusion of choice intact.
But this is not the point here. All assets were something to support the efforts to build/understand the Crucible, to support/upgrade fleets, ground troops or supply in general.
The Anderson thing just stands out and is the only asset (if you even want to call it this way) that just cannot provide any usefulness in the battle or the deployment of the Crucible, since Anderson dies regardless. So the criticism of the general EMS concept may be legit, but it does not explain what I've pointed out.

I understand your point, but do you understand mine?

The whole EMS thing with Anderson doesn't make sense in any way or form, be it literal or IT.


Just ask yourself this: What is EMS? If EMS are indeed just the resources that Shepard gathered, than why would Andersons death impact the EMS requirements? It doesn't make sense no matter what perspective. How is a physical thing, physical resources, related to the IT? Is it even related? And how is it related to Anderson? I have no answer to that. I can only say that it doesn't make sense from either perspective.

Well, we've always said that the EMS system is meant not only as a measurement of the strength of Shepard's fleet, but also as a measurement of Shepard's willpower.   That would explain why the Normandy has a value higher than AN ALLIANCE FLEET, and Shepard's ex-ME2 teammates end up having a higher total value than, again, AN ALLIANCE FLEET.

[Arashi08]

So...I had a thought. I think there are a few writers still here so I wanted to ask them, or anyone else who knows the terminology I'm using, who do you think the Impact Characters were inthe Mass Effect games? depending on you alignment they could vary I suppose, but which characters might best fit this role?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

One Piece is only but the best, most popular and most succesful anime series with a gigantic dedicated fanbase that dwarfs even the Mass Effect fanbase. Indeed, I should feel terribly ashamed for liking such a thing.

I'd have to say the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise has this slot taken. Over 30 years, and still running strong. Japan even built a life-sized version of one to celebrate it's success.

[The Heretic of Time]

Dwailing wrote...

Well, we've always said that the EMS system is meant not only as a measurement of the strength of Shepard's fleet, but also as a measurement of Shepard's willpower.   That would explain why the Normandy has a value higher than AN ALLIANCE FLEET, and Shepard's ex-ME2 teammates end up having a higher total value than, again, AN ALLIANCE FLEET.

Fair enough.

If I had to make an explanation for the rather silly numbers from a literal perspective, I'd say that the numbers are based on how important the assets are in the war.

The Normandy is MUCH MORE important than many feelts combined. That would explain why its number is so high in comparison to other numbers.


Of course, this doesn't hold up, just like your intepretation of the random numbers doesn't hold up. I mean a single promoted multiplayer character is also more valuable than some fleets and armies. How do you explain that from your IT perspective? Shepard doesn't even personally know the promoted MP characters!

[Restrider]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

Not only his eyes are indoctrinated...

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

"no religion stance"?

I'm not even briging religion to the table here. I'm talking about a pseudo-scientific theory as a comparison, not a religion.

I'm smarter than that, and you're smarter than that. Let's leave the "proving God exists" theory out of it.

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

One Piece is only but the best, most popular and most succesful anime series with a gigantic dedicated fanbase that dwarfs even the Mass Effect fanbase. Indeed, I should feel terribly ashamed for liking such a thing.

I'd have to say the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise has this slot taken. Over 30 years, and still running strong. Japan even built a life-sized version of one to celebrate it's success.

You can say a lot of things, but the facts show us that One Piece is the best sold manga in Japan and the most watched anime in Japan.

Gundam may have a life-sized statue in Japan, One Piece has an entire themepark. 


But honestly, this is off-topic. We can continue this discussion in a PM, or we could take it to the off-topic section (there is an anime thread there).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

So Harrot has a chin now? Gasp.

[byne]

Arashi08 wrote...

So...I had a thought. I think there are a few writers still here so I wanted to ask them, or anyone else who knows the terminology I'm using, who do you think the Impact Characters were inthe Mass Effect games? depending on you alignment they could vary I suppose, but which characters might best fit this role?

For some reason the first thing I thought of when I read Impact was this.

I now have that song stuck in my head.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

My avatar can do this to your smug little face: http://www.youtube.c...SxPEPMo#t=0m12s

Your avatar is tasteless anime crap, and you should feel terrible. Switch back to the indoctrinated hanar avatar, thanks.

No offence.

One Piece is only but the best, most popular and most succesful anime series with a gigantic dedicated fanbase that dwarfs even the Mass Effect fanbase. Indeed, I should feel terribly ashamed for liking such a thing.

I'd have to say the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise has this slot taken. Over 30 years, and still running strong. Japan even built a life-sized version of one to celebrate it's success.

You can say a lot of things, but the facts show us that One Piece is the best sold manga in Japan and the most watched anime in Japan.

Gundam may have a life-sized statue in Japan, One Piece has an entire themepark. 


But honestly, this is off-topic. We can continue this discussion in a PM, or we could take it to the off-topic section (there is an anime thread there).

Did you add all 30+years of Gundam manga/anime sold. Also, By the logic that the more successful an aime is the bigger thing it gets, Naruo is more successful than anything. They hava an lifesize version of Konoha( The village Hidden in the Leaves for those who don't speak Japanese) built. That's the last I'll post on this subject...for now.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

Not only his eyes are indoctrinated...

He also has a scar, so he must be Renegade, right? And his grin is most certainly mischievous. I wonder what it means? Lets speculate!  (or you could just watch the anime One Piece and figure it out ).

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hahaha, his avatar has indoctrinated eyes. That's so awesome

Not only his eyes are indoctrinated...

He also has a scar, so he must be Renegade, right? And his grin is most certainly mischievous. I wonder what it means? Lets speculate!  (or you could just watch the anime One Piece and figure it out ).

Pretty sure they're talking about Seival.

[Restrider]

estebanus wrote...
No society, country, republic or kingdom will exist forever. At one point, they will crumble, either because the people they used to control became enlightened, through war, or through social and economic collapse. 

Think of the soviet union: The only reason why it was able to survive was through controlling the masses using indoctrination, propaganda and fear. When the civilian population in the union's puppet states decided to rebel, the union collapsed with it. 
At some point, our civilization will crumble, and a new one will rise from the ashes, as has happened every time a great civilization falls. It's an endless cycle of death and rebirth, one that most likely can't be changed. Of course, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are two latin words that describes this process very well, I think: Tabula Rasa. 

It's the wheel of life that rules everything.
To say it in ME terms.

[The Heretic of Time]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

One Piece is only but the best, most popular and most succesful anime series with a gigantic dedicated fanbase that dwarfs even the Mass Effect fanbase. Indeed, I should feel terribly ashamed for liking such a thing.

I'd have to say the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise has this slot taken. Over 30 years, and still running strong. Japan even built a life-sized version of one to celebrate it's success.

You can say a lot of things, but the facts show us that One Piece is the best sold manga in Japan and the most watched anime in Japan.

Gundam may have a life-sized statue in Japan, One Piece has an entire themepark. 


But honestly, this is off-topic. We can continue this discussion in a PM, or we could take it to the off-topic section (there is an anime thread there).

By that logic, Naruo is more successful than anything. They hava an lifesize version of Konoha( The village Hidden in the Leaves for those who don't speak Japanese) built. That's the last I'll post on this subject...for now.

No, but that logic One Piece is still the most popular series. Like I said, it's the best-selling manga (it sells better tha Naruto) and the best-watched anime (more views than Naruto).

I find it fun to talk about this stuff though, so we should certainly continue in a PM or in the anime off-topic thread.

[CmdrShep80]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Hell, I myself am trying to explain that Anderson-1000-EMS stuff myself.
I could explain it for Synthesis and Control, since a Shepard with a shatterd psych due to seeing his mentor being executed could mean that his "essence" in Synthesis and Control is tainted and you would actually need more EMS for these endings.
BUT since this does not change the required EMS for Synthesis and Control exclusively, but also for Destroy it is just not logical in a literal POV.
It makes no sense and is obviously put there intentional!

Well actually the death of Anderson only raises the EMS requierment for the breath scene. It doesn't make a difference for any other ending. The Control, Synthesis and Refuse endings are always the same regardless of what you do with Anderson. It's only the High EMS Destroy endings that needs an even higher EMS if you killed Anderson.

what s strange is Shepard lives if Anderson is saved or Anderson is not saved. At least according to the strategy guide. It lists both choices as Shepard living

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
By that logic, Naruo is more successful than anything. They hava an lifesize version of Konoha( The village Hidden in the Leaves for those who don't speak Japanese) built. That's the last I'll post on this subject...for now.

No, but that logic One Piece is still the most popular series. Like I said, it's the best-selling manga (it sells better tha Naruto) and the best-watched anime (more views than Naruto).

I find it fun to talk about this stuff though, so we should certainly continue in a PM or in the anime off-topic thread.

Ah, you quoted my original version. My other version is more relevent.