[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
I made a big gigantic list a few posts ago. It was in fact a reply to you. You handwaved it away as "just your opinion man" and moved on. Have you already forgotten?[/quote]
You want me to go in depth on your own bad-writing handwaving? OK then, no problem.
[quote]I'm not talking about the endings or other plotholes, but just plain horrible dumb stuff, such as how Kai Leng was portayed in ME3, how TIM was turned into Saren 2.0, how Derperus all of the sudden became the new Sith Empire and not to mention the incredibly nonsensical derp Citadel-coup plot. Goddamn that was silly![/quote]
Kai Leng I agree with. He was so out of place it wasn't even funny. And Cerberus played far too large a part in the game for my liking.
However TIM was far from being a Saren version 2.0. There were plenty of (intentional) parallels with the fate of Saren, of course, but at the same time the Illusive Man was very much his own person, working to dominate the Reapers for the good of his people rather than being subservient to them. He was portrayed as being within touchinng distance of success... and, according to the Catalyst, potentially right all along.
[quote]Or how Tali became Admiral, what a joke! Or the way the VS keeps acting like a moron through the entire game. First he/she keeps nagging about how he/she can't trust Shepard, then he/she acts like a dumb puppet for Udina, totally clueless of what is really going on, even though it's absolutely obvious.[/quote]
I'm not sure I understand your objection to Tali's promotion, especially given her knowledge of the Geth. Certainly it didn't detract from my gaming experience.
So you're saying the Virmire survivor trusting the Council representative of humanity, and distrusting a person who had been rebuilt by and worked with a terrorist organisation made no sense? Maybe not, with the benefit of the knowledge the player has.. but in the context of the game?
[quote]And I haven't even mentioned Wrex and Legion yet, two characters who did a complete 180 turn in ME3 and completely contradicted their ME2 beliefs. Wrex all of the sudden being hellbend on curing the genophage and Legion being hellbend on uploading the reaper code to the geth consensus. That's just stupid![/quote]
LOL, okay. Wanting to save and preserve their own people is stupid. And dumb. Wrex KNEW the Council needed Krogan support. He KNEW that the Krogan were key to uniting the races against the Reapers. He was in an ideal position to bargain. While Legion did become something of a hypocrite, at the same time the Geth make decisions by consensus. They KNEW they were losing the fight against the Quarians. In desperation, they turned to the only allies they could turn to. Speaking to Legion, it was clear this wasn't a decision "he" necessarily agreed with.
[quote]Shall I continue? Lets tall about the fact that the geth are so dumb that regardless of what you did in ME2, they always fall of the same reaper trap, AGAIN! The turning into willing slaves of the reapers once more is incredibly stupid! I'm glad I exterminated every single last one of those damn geth on Rannoch. After such a big amount of derp you simply do not deserve to live in my books.[/quote]
See above. It's born of desperation, and Legion's opinion doesn't necessarily account for the entire Geth collective. Plus of course, like so many story elements throughout ME3, the Geth's pact with the Reapers was also intended to give some context and food for thought during the final decision in the game.
[quote]Oh, talking about Rannoch: The quarians deciding to go to war with the geth right at the point when the reapers are literally on their doorstep! Yeaaaaaaaah that's totally not stupid now is it? Oh, the reapers are coming, that means it's totally the perfect time to go to war to retake our home world! Makes sense! NOT![/quote]
Yes, because the Quarian's war effort started RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME as the Reapers invaded the galaxy. The Quarian's war effort and plans to retake their home were being made during ME2! Even if you assume that the Quarians knew everything about the Reapers that the player does (which they don't), and were fully aware of the invasion of Earth (which they weren't), their were already fully committed at that point.
[quote]I can go on if you wish. How about the fact that all of the sudden Earth is the centre of the universe? How convenient that the Citadel, where we need to dock the Crucible, is now above earth! Well thanks a lot reapers, you just made it possible for us to liberate our homeplanet AND shut you down by docking the Crucible, all in one single massive attack! HOW CONVENIENT! Thanks for that oppertunity my reaper homies![/quote]
Humanity being "special" is not a theme that was solely introduced in ME3. It doesn't happen "all of a sudden". Why did the Collector's focus on humanity in ME2? Why did they attempt to create a Human Reaper? Isn't the Reapers focus on Earth simply a continuation of the existing story?
[quote]Speaking of the Crucible and convenience: Don't you think it's a little too convenient that all of the sudden we find the Crucible blueprints on Mars right at the moment when the reapers are on our doorstep? Sorry, but we have the Mars archives for how many years? And we NEVER EVER heard of the Crucible until now right at the moment when the reapers come trashing our party? WOW, HOW CONVENIENT! Wait wut, what is this Crucible anyway? Never heard of it before! Not in ME1, not in ME2, not once! But oh well, Liara thinks it will stop the reapers to lets spend ALL OUR RESOURCES on building this strange unknown device, even though we have no clue how the damn thing works or what it's supposed to do. God, has the entire universe gone insane or something? Yeah, not bad writing at all! [/quote]
Of course it's a little too convenient. The dialogue in the game actually takes pains to point that out to us. You're MEANT to question it, to wonder about it. Is this subtlety lost on you? We're told time and time again that using the Crucible is a plan born of desperation, that no-one is sure exactly what it will do, or exactly where the plans came from. Hackett, Liara, Garrus, Anderson, every ally you speak to, even Shepard doubts the wisdom of the idea. But none are able to offer any better suggestions.
It's a plot device that you're meant to be suspicious of. There's many reasons why as a macguffin it could be considered "bad writing", but the fact that it's "too convenient" isn't actually one of them.
[quote]Alas, enough about this. I could go on like this forever, but I think I made my point rather clear.[/quote]
Yes, you certainly did. You have a lot of issues with the game, however the vast majority are not indicative of the standard of writing within the game, just indicative of your own impressions, interpretations and opinions.
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That's why I added a link to a fragment of the movie to give you an idea. Watch that fragment, else you won't understand the point I'm trying to make.[/quote]
I've watched the clip. I was a little bemused, but I'm not going to make a judgement on an entire film based on it, especially when I don't know what context it is meant to be taken in.
[quote]And the majority of people I have spoken to who have played ME3 said is sucked balls and didn't live up to the first 2 parts of the series. That's not an opinion, that's a FACT.[/quote]
And I'm sure they all found nothing enjoyable about the game whatsoever. Just as I'm sure you found nothing enjoyable about the game whatsoever.
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Just look at the BSN, especially a few months back. That in itself is evidence that a lot of the complaints I make are shared by a lot of other people. There won't be much rage about it anymore right now, but everyone who was on the BSN 8 months ago can vouch for me. A lot of people had complaints, and most of them were very valid complaints.[/quote]
I've been on here since before ME3 was launched, and I've seen plenty of debate both for and against. I've seen a lot of complainers, a lot of who settled down quite quickly after spending some time on the forum. I've also seen a ton of people saying they enjoy the game, enjoy the endings. I've certainly never seen a consensus either way.
[quote]LMAO! Empirical evidence? That's a good one! Seriously, how do you even dare to say that. The IT is not based on "empirical evidence" as presented within the game, it's rather the other way around; you try to fit the "empirical evidence" as presented within the game into your little theory. [/quote]
Now you're deliberately misquoting me and/or being obtuse. I said the IT is based on "the discussion and interpretation of the various endings using the empirical evidence as presented within the game itself". Would you care to copy/paste the codex entry for Reaper Indoctrination? Explain to me it's relevance to the series and it's use throughout the games? Explain how it may play a part in the interpretation of the endings? That's an example of what I meant by DISCUSSING empirical evidence.
Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 29 novembre 2012 - 11:39 .