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[401 Kill]

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

omg so that's how the mp missions tie into this. It helps you practice for the learning how to access the 4 areas on solo sp

I seriously doubt thats an MP tie in.

I'm not following:(... What Areas?

[byne]

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

omg so that's how the mp missions tie into this. It helps you practice for the learning how to access the 4 areas on solo sp

I seriously doubt thats an MP tie in.

I'm not following:(... What Areas?

I'm guessing he means the things you activate in that room where Aria breaks the big fan.  I forget what the purpose of the room was though.

[The Heretic of Time]

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Bad writing is not more or less of a cop-out than the IT is.[/quote]

Wrong.
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Says you.


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Kai Leng was supposed to be an annoying idiot who thought he was really awesome.
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LOL no! Have you even read Mass Effect Retribution?



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In that he [TIM] was an indoctrinated pawn of the Reapers? Obviously, that's his natural character progression.
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No it wasn't. It's cliche and a cop-out. It's the type of writing you expect from a saturday morning cartoon show, not a supposedly amazing trilogy.


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See above, and that they'll [Cerberus] end up being the next cycle's Collectors.
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Which is pathetically unoriginal. They should have left Cerberus being morally ambiguous, not turn them in the new Sith Empire. That's just writing that you'd expect from Disney or something (wait no, Disney writers better sh*t than that).


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The only thing wrong with it is we still don't know why Cerberus wanted it, though we have a few theories.
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Which is exactly the problem. The whole Citadel coup contributes nothing to the plot. It only makes Udina look like dumb moron and it only makes Cerberus look like a bunch of aggresive idiots too (Cerberus was supposed to be subtle and sneaky!).



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[quote]Or how Tali became Admiral, what a joke![/quote]

Makes perfect sense to me.
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An insecure young girl with no military expertise that has never even been captain of a ship and who doesn't even want to be Admiral becomes an Admiral. And you're saying it makes perfect sense to you? Riiiiight. 


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True, but in-character [that the VS acts like a moron with trust issues] and understandable.
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Ah, so you're saying that the VS is supposed to be a ****** with horrible trust issues? Then explain to me, how in the world did this ****** ever become the 2nd human Spectre? How is that not sh*t writing?



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[quote]And I haven't even mentioned Wrex and Legion yet, two characters who did a complete 180 turn in ME3 and completely contradicted their ME2 beliefs. Wrex all of the sudden being hellbend on curing the genophage[/quote]
Actually, it was pretty obvious that was going to be his character arc since ME1.
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No, ME2 changed that. In ME2 Wrex made perfectly clear that curing the genophage now would not help him. He wanted to unite the krogans. A cure for the genophage would hinder his plan. Well, I guess ME3 Wrex doesn't care about his plan anymore. He has become as dumb as any other krogan. Might as well have Wreav instead of Wrex, it doesn't make a difference. Totally hack writing if I ever saw hack writing.
 

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[quote]and Legion being hellbend on uploading the reaper code to the geth consensus. That's just stupid![/quote]
Only because you don't understand it's not really Reaper code, not anymore than the Prothean mass relay or Thanix cannons are Reaper tech, which they aren't.
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But it is a reaper code! That was pretty damn clear. But seriously, even if the code isn't 100% reaper code, it still defies Legions character to the bone.

Remember how Legion reacts if you kept the Collector base in ME2? He was all b*tching about  "don't use it, it's reaper tech, determine your own future, build it yourself, blablablabla". How is that not a direct contradition to his actions in ME3?


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They were facing extinction, it was live or die. Geth do not make decisions based on moral values, it was a purely practical decision. It's fairly clear that Legion, who clearly has feelings and such, disagreed with the decision. Completely in-character.
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You'd think a machine as advanced as the geth would be smart enough by now that the reapers won't spare them and that they'll only be used as tools by the reapers as long as the reapers want.

And how are the geth facing extinction anyway? What happened to the geth being vastly stronger than the quarians? What about ME2 telling us how the geth vastly outnumbered the quarians and that going to war with them would be a death-sentence?

Seriously BioWare doesn't care about plot consistence one bit do they?  


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It's very stupid, and totally in-character for the Quarians.
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Ah so you're saying that the quarians as a whole race are all a bunch of dumbasses to the max? And I'm even supposed to take this stuff seriously? Come on man.



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[quote]I can go on if you wish. How about the fact that all of the sudden Earth is the centre of the universe? How convenient that the Citadel, where we need to dock the Crucible, is now above earth! Well thanks a lot reapers, you just made it possible for us to liberate our homeplanet AND shut you down by docking the Crucible, all in one single massive attack! HOW CONVENIENT!  Thanks for that oppertunity my reaper homies![/quote]

It's been clear since the beginning of ME2 that humans have been the focus of the Reapers. We're going to be this cycle's Reaper. This makes perfect sense.
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It doesn't make sense and it doesn't explain why the Reapers have become dumbasses all of the sudden.

Being focused on humans is one thing. But not bothering with the Citadel until the end of the game is incredibly dumb.

Moving the Citadel to planet earth is even dumber. But sure, I guess that could be smart if they would lock down the mass relays after taking the Citadel to the planet earth, like they did in previous cycles. Except they don't, because the Reapers have lost all of their intelligence between ME2 and ME3 and are dumbed down to a bunch of dumb-ass machine slaves.



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Something you fail to understand: You seem to think our thought process is "See endings, think they were bad, come up with alternate excuse" when really a lot of us saw what we now call IT out first time through, without outside knowledge.
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You saw IT because you tried to make sense of the ****** and incmplete endings. I saw IT, but then realized that IT is just dumb and decided that BioWare f*cking up their story is a more likely scenario than the IT being true, especially because of all the other hack writing that I just pointed out. 


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You also don't seem to get that "it was all a dream" doesn't apply if it has real world consequences.
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Except the "it was all just dream" trope does apply to the IT, even if it has real world consequences.


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Even if it did, your personal dislike of that plot device is meaningless.[/quote]

It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LOL LOVE IT!

Aria: "Is that my couch?"

LMAO

We didn't find out any new lore, but at least we got to the important stuff. Aria's furniture.

401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Aria: Civilian casualties can't be avoided. You'll have to accept this

My Shepard fails to understand this.

I love that when Shepard is alone making a desicion involving thousands of lives, Petrovsky tries to manipulate him.

Hmm. Mine gets it, but will damned sure that it's only a last resort. People are going to die, but they're not going to die because to save his crew from a few minutes of fighting.

CmdrShep80 wrote...

way cool that Geth smg with the soldier's adrenaline with incinerary power up is a way cool scene to behold

GPSMG is bad. Try it with the PPR or the typhoon. Marksman is probably better than AR though. AR sucks in this game.

[CmdrShep80]

Lol

Shepard: Cerberus

Aria: How do you know that? It could be the Talons

*a soldier falls from the upper level*

Aria: Never mind

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

omg so that's how the mp missions tie into this. It helps you practice for the learning how to access the 4 areas on solo sp

I seriously doubt thats an MP tie in.

I'm not following:(... What Areas?

I'm guessing he means the things you activate in that room where Aria breaks the big fan.  I forget what the purpose of the room was though.

I didn't want to spoil it but *spoliers* by now everyone's probably played it lol but the area with the 4 bombs.  You know in mp how you have to disarm things like jammers while you're being overrun by enemy forces

[masster blaster]

Shepard: What's new, EDI?

EDI: Admiral Anderson reports that the Reapers on Earth are broadcasting orders. They are demanding human leaders enter their superstructures in order to, "Negotiate peace."

Shepard: Anybody aboard a Reaper is gonna be indoctrinated.

EDI: Exactly. This is a ruse to pacify the populace during that process. Citizens who are busy waiting, are not busy fighting. It is likely that the governments of Earth will soon enact laws punishing those who attack the Reaper occupiers. Again, this will be done in the name of peace.

Shepard: Tell Anderson we're moving as fast as we can.

This conversation just sort of reminded me of how people have started saying that the Reapers are innocent and how we shouldn't destroy them. In the name of, "peace."

«

Dwaling nice.

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

omg so that's how the mp missions tie into this. It helps you practice for the learning how to access the 4 areas on solo sp

I seriously doubt thats an MP tie in.

I'm not following:(... What Areas?

I'm guessing he means the things you activate in that room where Aria breaks the big fan.  I forget what the purpose of the room was though.

More like deactivate.  The things you deactivate will prevent the support columns from falling and killing hundreds

[Krimzie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

I keep reading this all over these forums and it really grinds my gears, because this "Writing 101" rule is not without exception -- and the exception is that if dreams and hallucinations are part of the major plot, it's not a cop out... it's part of the plot.

See Inception for my point. And if you call that film hack writing I'll eat my hat.

Modifié par Krimzie, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[CmdrShep80]

Oh that's interesting, I just found another of that symbol that's all over the normandy right at the place where the soldier falls. Interestingly the cerberus troops are complaining about how the adjutant is out

[BleedingUranium]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

hehe

General Petrovsky: You might as well give up

Aria: I'm not going down like this

starts to destroy force field

"How did you know you could do that Aria?"

"I didn't."

*Shepard jumps through and is now alone...*  We all know what happens when Shepard is alone

He always has to make big, important moral decisions (in a vaccum)

General Petrovsky:  She'd just throw thousands of lives away
General Petrovsky:  This shouldn't be hard, maybe something inside is holding you back
General Petrovsky:  She's never going to learn.  She'll never change.  Even if you win, Omega loses

I'm a paragon so I don't hit the button despite 3 potential renegade options to do so

General Petrovsky:  So be it

That's what I did. Sacrifice the few (Aria & Nyreen / EDI & the Geth) for the many (thousands of civilians / the whole galaxy). In the end, the few don't actually die, it was a test of your willingness to do what is necessary.

Did you hit the button?

Nope.

[masster blaster]

Hanar did Batman die in TDKR please by all means did he? I will give you my answer no he didn't. Because Nolan/ his writers left god dam hints that the Bat's, well Bruce was alive.

[Lokanaiya]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You also don't seem to get that "it was all a dream" doesn't apply if it has real world consequences.

Except the "it was all just dream" trope does apply to the IT, even if it has real world consequences.

Not in the way you're thinking. Usually when a writer invokes that trope in this type of situation, it's essentialy them saying "Let us never speak of this again" and then, well, never speaking of it again. The events are stricken from canon as much as possible and everybody tries to forget that little incident ever occured. And, obviously, that would not be the case here as the events of the dream would ultimately decide the fate of the galaxy. You know, in case you hadn't figured that out after the months of coming here.

Also, hey guys! Long time no see!

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

I keep reading this all over these forums and it really grinds my gears, because this "Writing 101" rule is not without exception -- and the exception is that if dreams and hallucinations are part of the major plot, it's not a cop out... it's part of the plot.

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

[masster blaster]

Hey Loka it's good to see you.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar did Batman die in TDKR please by all means did he? I will give you my answer no he didn't. Because Nolan/ his writers left god dam hints that the Bat's, well Bruce was alive.

It's pretty damn obvious that Batman didn't die in The Dark Knight Rises. You see him eating his lunch with his new waifu at the very end of the movie. He seemed to be quite healthy and quite happy with his new waifu Catwoman.


How is this even related to Mass Effect or the IT?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[BleedingUranium]

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

I keep reading this all over these forums and it really grinds my gears, because this "Writing 101" rule is not without exception -- and the exception is that if dreams and hallucinations are part of the major plot, it's not a cop out... it's part of the plot.

See Inception for my point. And if you call that film hack writing I'll eat my hat.

Agreed. Hanar, I see nothing from you other than your opinion or lack of character/theme understanding.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Agreed. Hanar, I see nothing from you other than your opinion or lack of character/theme understanding.

That's because you only see what you wanna see.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[Krimzie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

I keep reading this all over these forums and it really grinds my gears, because this "Writing 101" rule is not without exception -- and the exception is that if dreams and hallucinations are part of the major plot, it's not a cop out... it's part of the plot.

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

Dude... did we play the same game series? I'm pretty sure the first major event of the original Mass Effect is Shepard knocked unconcious because of a beacon, and spends 15 hours having nightmares and visions.

Mass Effect wouldn't even have a story without dreams. It's the very first thing that happens. It's what Shepard spends the whole game trying to convince the Council -- the Reapers are coming. How does he know? Because he had a 15 hour vision dream.


EDIT TO ADD: In fact, Shepard always falling unconcious or drugged or sleeping and we are always getting Shepard's visions and dreams and hallucinations. It's really prevalent. Someone should make a compilation vid of all the times Shep's groggily waking up, or passing out, or having visions. Because it's always.

Modifié par Krimzie, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:34 .

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hanar did Batman die in TDKR please by all means did he? I will give you my answer no he didn't. Because Nolan/ his writers left god dam hints that the Bat's, well Bruce was alive.

It's pretty damn obvious that Batman didn't die in The Dark Knight Rises. You see him eating his lunch with his new waifu at the very end of the movie. He seemed to be quite healthy and quite happy with his new waifu Catwoman.


How is this even related to Mass Effect or the IT?

Apparently Batman is related to everything, because people never shut the **** up about him.

[Lokanaiya]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Agreed. Hanar, I see nothing from you other than your opinion or lack of character/theme understanding.

That's because I only see what I wanna see.

Fixed... Couldn't resist.

[Andromidius]

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It's generally agreed upon that "It Was Al Just a Dream" is hack writing and a horrible plot-device, just like a Deus Ex Machina is generally considered to be hack writing and a horrible plot-device.

I keep reading this all over these forums and it really grinds my gears, because this "Writing 101" rule is not without exception -- and the exception is that if dreams and hallucinations are part of the major plot, it's not a cop out... it's part of the plot.

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

Dude... did we play the same game series? I'm pretty sure the first major event of the original Mass Effect is Shepard knocked unconcious because of a beacon, and spends 15 hours having nightmares and visions.

Mass Effect wouldn't even have a story without dreams. It's the very first thing that happens. It's what Shepard spends the whole game trying to convince the Council -- the Reapers are coming. How does he know? Because he had a 15 hour vision dream.

Yep.

[masster blaster]

As do you Hanar. So it's mute.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Agreed. Hanar, I see nothing from you other than your opinion or lack of character/theme understanding.

That's because you only see what you wanna see.

And you don't? 

[BleedingUranium]

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that *squadmate*. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .