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[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

As do you Hanar. So it's mute.

You mean moot?

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...



Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that Shepard.

Seems legit.

[masster blaster]

Because the bat's awsome. Na I just wanted to see if Hanar thought Batman is alive.

[The Heretic of Time]

Krimzie wrote...

Dude... did we play the same game series? I'm pretty sure the first major event of the original Mass Effect is Shepard knocked unconcious because of a beacon, and spends 15 hours having nightmares and visions.

I guess we didn't play the same game indeed. In my game Shepard only saw visions for a few seconds, with the visions having a clear and obvious cause: the beacon. After that, Shepard went black and woke up in the Normandy 15 hours later.

So yeah,  I wonder which version of Mass Effect you have been playing.

Mass Effect wouldn't even have a story without dreams. It's the very first thing that happens.

Except the beacon vision isn't a dream, shepard only thinks it was.

Come on man, the beacon visions are clearly A LOT different from the dreams in ME3 and even more different from the ending sequence. You honestly can't lumb them all together. One is a vision from a beacon, the other is a nightmare and the last is just a nonsensical ending sequence (that actually does make sense after the EC and Leviathan).

It's what Shepard spends the whole game trying to convince the Council -- the Reapers are coming. How does he know? Because he had a 15 hour vision dream.

Not in my game.

[Leonia]

"Are we taking dreams as evidence now? How can I defend myself against that." - The Literalists.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...



Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that Shepard.

Seems legit.

Missed that one, I fixed it

[Krimzie]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

NICE. A+ <3

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Come on man, the beacon visions are clearly A LOT different from the dreams in ME3 and even more different from the ending sequence. You honestly can't lumb them all together. One is a vision from a beacon, the other is a nightmare and the last is just a nonsensical ending sequence (that actually does make sense after the EC and Leviathan).

This is called not understanding symbolism and metaphor.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Krimzie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not in my game.

...what the hell? Man, I give up. I've really been trying but... I just do. Everyone's Shepard passes out and dreams. I can't argue with headcanon so I won't.

[The Heretic of Time]

Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

NICE. A+ <3

Ah, so copy-pasting stuff from the game and replacing a few names is supposed to be impressive? A+ worthy? You guys are unbelievable. I'm going to bed. See ya later aligator.

[The Heretic of Time]

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not in my game.

...what the hell? Man, I give up. I've really been trying but... I just do. Everyone's Shepard passes out and dreams. I can't argue with headcanon so I won't.

Ditto. If you want to headcanon that Shepard is dreaming for 15 hours, be my guest, but it did most certainly did not happen in-game.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


Ah, so copy-pasting stuff from the game and replacing a few names is supposed to be impressive? A+ worthy? You guys are unbelievable. I'm going to bed. See ya later aligator.

I'm going to give you the worst grade imaginable: A- -!

[masster blaster]

Shepard: Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

EDI:My primary function is to preserve and defend the....no.

BleedingUranium this.

Also Hanar he was making a joke, and don't act like you never done what blurr did.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Ditto. If you want to headcanon that Shepard is dreaming for 15 hours, be my guest, but it did most certainly did not happen in-game.

I'm currently playing ME1.

Just activated the Beacon on Eden Prime and woke up.

Shepard: How long was I out?
Chakwas: About 15 hours.

If it didnt happen in your game you didnt play ME1.

Modifié par byne, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[BleedingUranium]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard: I no longer believe that *squadmate*. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

NICE. A+ <3

Ah, so copy-pasting stuff from the game and replacing a few names is supposed to be impressive? A+ worthy? You guys are unbelievable. I'm going to bed. See ya later aligator.

This just shows again that you're taking things literally instead of applying themes, symbolism, and metaphors. I'll be nice and hold your hand by bolding the important parts and underlining the most important.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Krimzie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not in my game.

...what the hell? Man, I give up. I've really been trying but... I just do. Everyone's Shepard passes out and dreams. I can't argue with headcanon so I won't.

Ditto. If you want to headcanon that Shepard is dreaming for 15 hours, be my guest, but it did most certainly did not happen in-game.

You have a really neat debating style -- fixating on a point that has nothing to do with the example at hand. I pulled out the beacon dreams to prove to you that visions and dreams and other such brainworkings are part of the story from hour one and you argue the length. The length of said vision is irrelevant, but within your rebuttal you admitted your Shepard had a vision. I'm glad you clearly concede that visions, no matter the cause, are part of the narrative -- because that's fact. 

Sweet dreams, prince. Good game.

Modifié par Krimzie, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Rifneno]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

I defy anyone to tell me he's not trolling after saying Link's Awakening was a good story.

[Rifneno]

Also: Batman sucks.

[Golferguy758]

Rifneno wrote...

Also: Batman sucks.

Words shall be had!

Also, I liked Link's Awakening...

Modifié par Golferguy758, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Ditto. If you want to headcanon that Shepard is dreaming for 15 hours, be my guest, but it did most certainly did not happen in-game.

I'm currently playing ME1.

Just activated the Beacon on Eden Prime and woke up.

Shepard: How long was I out?
Chakwas: About 15 hours.

If it didnt happen in your game you didnt play ME1.

Read what I said earlier. Shepard might have been out for 15 hours after he got the vision from the beacon burned in his brain, which happend while he was still very much awake.

Shepard did not dream for 15 hours. Or maybe he did, but the vision was clearly only a couple of seconds and he saw it when he was awake.

Krimzie wrote...

I'm glad you clearly concede that visions, no matter the cause, are part of the narrative -- because that's fact. 

Yes, visions  are part of the main plot. Dreams or 'All Just A Dream' plot-devices however are not.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

I defy anyone to tell me he's not trolling after saying Link's Awakening was a good story.

Links Awakening had a good story, much better than Mass Effect 3. It was a good game.

I defy anyone to tell me this guy is not trying to flamebait me after saying absolute horsecrap nonsense about an excellent game.

[BleedingUranium]

-Eden Prime Beacon
-Watching it again with Liara
-And again with Shiala
-Virmire Beacon
-Indoctrination codex
-Overlord alternate reality overlay
-Derelict Reaper crew having hallucinations
-Arrival team having nightmares and hearing voices
-Shepard's nightmares with the kid
-ME3 Eden Prime visions
-Geth Consensus
-Constant overuse of the word "nightmare" in ME3
-Entire end sequence of Leviathan (nearly identical to ME3 end)

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Krimzie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

I'm glad you clearly concede that visions, no matter the cause, are part of the narrative -- because that's fact. 

Yes, visions  are part of the main plot. Dreams or 'All Just A Dream' plot-devices however are not.

Dr. Chakwas: But I detected some unusual brain activity. Abnormal beta waves. I also noticed an increase in your rapid eye movement, signs typically associated with intense dreaming. 

And it's not a prompted response -- it's one everyone gets.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Agreed. That's why Inception and Zelda Links Awakening are good stories.

However, dreams and hallicunations have never been part of the major plot in Mass Effect, except for maby those 3 dreams about the kid. But there is a clear distinction between those dreams and what we experience during the ending.

I defy anyone to tell me he's not trolling after saying Link's Awakening was a good story.

Links Awakening had a good story, much better than Mass Effect 3. It was a good game.

I defy anyone to tell me this guy is not trying to flamebait me after saying absolute horsecrap nonsense about an excellent game.

Wasnt Link's Awakening all a dream?

Didnt you say earlier that being a dream makes a story suck?

Werent you going to bed?

[Andromidius]

Thought you were going to bed.