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@ Byne:

I was wondering why this video isn't listed:



It's the 'There is only one choice' video that explains IT from a story perspective.

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Bioware's answer to the title is headcannon for everyone. Believe what you want to believe

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Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware's answer to the title is headcannon for everyone. Believe what you want to believe


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TSA_383 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware's answer to the title is headcannon for everyone. Believe what you want to believe


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+1
Lol'd at the pic.

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TSA_383 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Bioware's answer to the title is headcannon for everyone. Believe what you want to believe


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HAHAHAHA!

Yes .... yes it is

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estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Hey Linkara just referenced the ending.

Linkara?


He is a man, but wears a purdy hat.

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Emperor_Ike wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

So I'm back to the "I want to believe!" stage.. But I just can't see them re-ECing the EC endings.
Leviathan, various other story DLC.. 'Saving throws,' I've seen them called.. But, even after doing those side missions, you'll still get beamed up to the Citadel to confront (conform to?) Starbrat..
Woe. Woe I say.


The Leviathan DLC adds dialogue with the kid, all the DLCs will most likely add to the ending. I even had that idea before the Leviathan leak Posted Image

I see them doing one of two things:

-Adding more and more IT hints, and reasons not to trust the kid, etc, then have a big reveal DLC that happens after Shep wakes up.

-Adding more and more IT hints, and reasons not to trust the kid, etc, to the point where a proper clarification DLC just isn't required.

I'd obviously prefer the former, but I see either as very possible.


I... did not know this. Not that I've been following as avidly as before. That's potentially brain-melting. Do you happen to have links, or should I try to dig through MkII? Not enthralled by that prospect, I must say.


I highly doubt we will get another "EC"

That said, the EC was never planned, and in all honesty, I doubt they planned on changing the endings as they stood at all. The EC is fanservice, plain and simple, to keep the people who were upset about the endings from being more upset.

That said, this is a BIG franchise. One EA is pushing hard. You KNOW they're going to do a sequel, how could they not? They made too much money not to.

IT will not be revealed in ME4, or in an extended extended cut.

It'll be The Arrival 2.0, DLC meant to bridge the gap between the events of ME3 and ME4.

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Depending on how you view it, the ending was changed in the EC. I mean if you consider it as a monolithic piece of work.

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Posted Image  Wow, closed for length...

You guys are just amazing! I salute you for keeping up the speculating so that I may continue to lurk here and read about all the (at times very interesting, at times far fetched) new evidence. You've made my year!

And remember - if you're hearing voices or having unusual headaches, please contact a C-Sec officer for assistance!
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Cecilia L wrote...

Posted Image  Wow, closed for length...

You guys are just amazing! I salute you for keeping up the speculating so that I may continue to lurk here and read about all the (at times very interesting, at times far fetched) new evidence. You've made my year!

And remember - if you're hearing voices or having unusual headaches, please contact a C-Sec officer for assistance!
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Thanks for lurking. We're always happy to help.

Estebanus has frequent headaches but he chose Destroy. Posted Image Strange. Can it be that Destroy is not what it seems? Posted Image

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So when am I gonna get my new N7 hoodie without having to resort to unlocking hidden outfits?

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I wish Casey Hudson had an account here. He said he reads these forums! What is he doing?

Or maybe he always had a profile, he's just hiding all day! Come on out! Other staff have their names below, like Ray Muzyka.

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So, what do you ITists make of Hackett's success message?

http://blog.bioware....rwatch-success/

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation OVERWATCH
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

By now you have probably heard that Operation OVERWATCH succeeded on
many fronts. Frankly, I would not be surprised if this message goes
unread until tomorrow due to excessive celebrating. You have struck the
Reapers where they are strongest and lived to tell the tale. Credit goes
to you, to those shuttle pilots who retrieved your teams, and to the
many personnel who supported and planned the missions.

But I also want to speak to some of what you may be seeing in the
media soon. Eventually, it will be public knowledge that we had
operations on Earth, retrieving data and personnel necessary for the
military and economic well-being of the galaxy.

This success will bring hope to billions of people. It will also
enrage some of them. Be prepared for the tough questions – when are we
starting our full-scale assault? Why retrieve this helium-3 magnate but
not another one, or save my loved ones? Who are you to play God?

There are no good answers to these questions. The reality is, the
Reapers have almost every conceivable advantage — numbers, firepower,
technology – and we make do with what we have. We strike and retreat
because facing the foe head-on would be a disaster. Nowhere is this
truer than at Earth.

We have started to give them a death by a thousand cuts. Take heart
in this, celebrate, and relax tonight. Tomorrow morning, we will get
down to business, because there’s nine hundred and ninety left to go.

–Admiral Hackett


It's definitely more thorough than past success/failure messages have been. Let the speculations commence!

Modifié par leonia42, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .


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*sigh*

I am so tired of this ****.

I feel like I am screaming at the top of my lungs to have people listen, think and consider what I am saying for JUST a moment, and I get dismissed as a looney, only to have someone else say the same thing, and get hailed as a genius.

http://social.biowar...9372/7#13430021

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paxxton wrote...

So when am I gonna get my new N7 hoodie without having to resort to unlocking hidden outfits?


Should be probably in a few hours. The last operations's packs were distributed tuesday's.

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Yay! We won operation Overwatch!

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Hi guys;

Been lurking since Mark one, and thought I'd actually take the opportunity (now I'm somewhere near the right bloody page, you guys go too fast!) to say hi. And there is something that's been bugging me for a while now.

The Thorian. Someone linked it a few pages back, and it hanging there looked for all the world like a Reaper hovering. We know that via airborne spores it can infest, influence (albeit crudely), and outright control (Thorian Creepers) organics. I'm wondering if this could be seen as a prototype - these things used to roam the stars, after all, enslaving everything they came across. Sound familiar?

So, either this thing has been about long enough that the Reapers once saw them as a threat, and copied their methods, while improving on them, and, significantly, rendering themselves immune to it's depredations. Or, and personally this is where I lean, the Thorian is the bioweapon that the Reapers are based off. Given Leviathan is close, just wanted to throw this out there (and say hi) before it drops.

Peace, Whiysper.

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Whiysper wrote...

Hi guys;

Been lurking since Mark one, and thought I'd actually take the opportunity (now I'm somewhere near the right bloody page, you guys go too fast!) to say hi. And there is something that's been bugging me for a while now.

The Thorian. Someone linked it a few pages back, and it hanging there looked for all the world like a Reaper hovering. We know that via airborne spores it can infest, influence (albeit crudely), and outright control (Thorian Creepers) organics. I'm wondering if this could be seen as a prototype - these things used to roam the stars, after all, enslaving everything they came across. Sound familiar?

So, either this thing has been about long enough that the Reapers once saw them as a threat, and copied their methods, while improving on them, and, significantly, rendering themselves immune to it's depredations. Or, and personally this is where I lean, the Thorian is the bioweapon that the Reapers are based off. Given Leviathan is close, just wanted to throw this out there (and say hi) before it drops.

Peace, Whiysper.


We considered this, in a form actually, someone sugguested once that the Reapers originally WERE Thorians.

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leonia42 wrote...

So, what do you ITists make of Hackett's success message?

http://blog.bioware....rwatch-success/

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation OVERWATCH
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

By now you have probably heard that Operation OVERWATCH succeeded on
many fronts. Frankly, I would not be surprised if this message goes
unread until tomorrow due to excessive celebrating. You have struck the
Reapers where they are strongest and lived to tell the tale. Credit goes
to you, to those shuttle pilots who retrieved your teams, and to the
many personnel who supported and planned the missions.

But I also want to speak to some of what you may be seeing in the
media soon. Eventually, it will be public knowledge that we had
operations on Earth, retrieving data and personnel necessary for the
military and economic well-being of the galaxy.

This success will bring hope to billions of people. It will also
enrage some of them. Be prepared for the tough questions – when are we
starting our full-scale assault? Why retrieve this helium-3 magnate but
not another one, or save my loved ones? Who are you to play God?

There are no good answers to these questions. The reality is, the
Reapers have almost every conceivable advantage — numbers, firepower,
technology – and we make do with what we have. We strike and retreat
because facing the foe head-on would be a disaster. Nowhere is this
truer than at Earth.

We have started to give them a death by a thousand cuts. Take heart
in this, celebrate, and relax tonight. Tomorrow morning, we will get
down to business, because there’s nine hundred and ninety left to go.

–Admiral Hackett


It's definitely more thorough than past success/failure messages have been. Let the speculations commence!


Tomorrow we get down to business indeed... :bandit:

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What's that 990? What business is he talking about? Is Cerberus preparing an all-out assault? What's He-3 magnate?

Modifié par paxxton, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:46 .


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Who are you to play God?

Boy, that motivational speech escalated quickly!

We strike and retreat because facing the foe head-on would be a disaster. Nowhere is this truer than at Earth.

Which is exactly what Shep and the rest of the assault team did on the beam run.

We have started to give them a death by a thousand cuts. Take heart in this, celebrate, and relax tonight. Tomorrow morning, we will get down to business, because there’s nine hundred and ninety left to go.

Doesn't necessarily mean that there's big news coming soon. But for some reason they made quite a big deal out of Overwatch, even though it had pretty easy goals.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .


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leonia42 wrote...

So, what do you ITists make of Hackett's success message?

http://blog.bioware....rwatch-success/

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation OVERWATCH
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

By now you have probably heard that Operation OVERWATCH succeeded on
many fronts. Frankly, I would not be surprised if this message goes
unread until tomorrow due to excessive celebrating. You have struck the
Reapers where they are strongest and lived to tell the tale. Credit goes
to you, to those shuttle pilots who retrieved your teams, and to the
many personnel who supported and planned the missions.

But I also want to speak to some of what you may be seeing in the
media soon. Eventually, it will be public knowledge that we had
operations on Earth, retrieving data and personnel necessary for the
military and economic well-being of the galaxy.

This success will bring hope to billions of people. It will also
enrage some of them. Be prepared for the tough questions – when are we
starting our full-scale assault? Why retrieve this helium-3 magnate but
not another one, or save my loved ones? Who are you to play God?


There are no good answers to these questions. The reality is, the
Reapers have almost every conceivable advantage — numbers, firepower,
technology – and we make do with what we have. We strike and retreat
because facing the foe head-on would be a disaster. Nowhere is this
truer than at Earth.

We have started to give them a death by a thousand cuts. Take heart
in this, celebrate, and relax tonight. Tomorrow morning, we will get
down to business, because there’s nine hundred and ninety left to go.

–Admiral Hackett


It's definitely more thorough than past success/failure messages have been. Let the speculations commence!

Well helloooooo :lol:
I wonder what that could be hinting at :lol:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

*sigh*

I am so tired of this ****.

I feel like I am screaming at the top of my lungs to have people listen, think and consider what I am saying for JUST a moment, and I get dismissed as a looney, only to have someone else say the same thing, and get hailed as a genius.

http://social.biowar...9372/7#13430021

We've all gotten annoyed at that thread today. Especially the people saying "I hate IT but this is great" even though it's the same dang thing. You made a good speech though.

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paxxton wrote...

What's that 990? What business is he talking about? Is Cerberus preparing an all-out assault? What's He-3 magnate?

He said 'death of a thousand cuts' and then 'we still need to deal the other 999'. It was a colourful way of saying 'we won the battle but not the war'.