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[TJBartlemus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Mark IV...has a good sound to the name. Reminds me of Star Wars Episode IV for some reason. 

So have we finally decided what Cerberus's master plan was? I think this was posted by a bunch of people, but here it is...

Cerberus's Master Plan

- Gain control over everything.
- Find a way to control Reaper forces
- Use Omega for farming of Adjucants and eezo for the war effort and potentially afterwards. Also use Omega for a launching base of operations.
- Wipe out all competition.

 Makes sense now that I look at it.

Also the first set of Mjolnir armour the Spartans in Halo got were Mark IV.

As for Cerberus's plans, have you seen my Cerberus Reaper theory?

How'd I forget about that?! Anyway...not yet but I think I remember a conversation about it. Isn't it about how Cerberus is trying to make a Reaper of their own?

Also did anyone else catch the comment that the sheilds were from the other side of the Omega Relay? 

[Dwailing]

Krimzie wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...
Synthesis being about storytelling made me laugh way harder than it should have.

You've got to admit, its a pretty good fairy tale concept.

In a horrifying way.

It is a good fairy tale concept, but like most fairy tales, dark and gritty in its own right. Shep does list "capacity to evolve" as one of the hallmarks of being alive in ME3... hmmhmm.

I'll admit, I'm really divided on how I feel about Synthesis.  I mean, the dominant part of my mind knows that it's really not all that good, but a small part of me can't help but understand why people choose it.  I'll admit, if the endings are meant to be taken literally, I might consider having at least one Shep that chooses it.  And one that chooses Control too, just to see what the frak happens in ME4.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

Also Saren was the best specter the Councile had. He is not a person you would want to get on his bad side.

Oh and to help with the whole dream thing through out ME1.

During Sarens trial, Saren said along the lines " Are we now letting dreams prove that I am guilty.

Not really sure what he says actually, but I will look again or can someone post what he really says.

I believe his exact words are closer to, "Are we allowing dreams into evidence now?  How can I defend myself against evidence of this nature?"  I'm fairly certain I'm paraphrasing at least part of it, but it's close.

[masster blaster]

OMG it's 2200! Ya.

[CmdrShep80]

masster blaster wrote...

OMG it's 2200! Ya.

+1 :wizard:

[masster blaster]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

OP, you've forgot something else!! The Stargazer scene! The dialogue gives a few hints!

"Did that really happen?"

"Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time. It all happened very long ago."

When you think about the "details lost in time" part and the part in the Leviathan DLC where Bryson says "With new information we've uncovered, a breakthrough is near", your theory is almost on the right track... Or directly on the right track.

Right, I totally forgot about that!

It's a major clue. "One more story about the Shepard..."

Will add to OP, thanks!

You're welcome! Oh yeah! On the Leviathan DLC, remember that guy who shot Bryson under the Leviathan's control? I think his name was Hadley. He appeared in the Extended Cut endings in Alliance armor shooting Husks. The Extended Cut showed him as if we've seen him before in the main game, but the truth is, we haven't yet. Not until the Leviathan DLC.

Could he have joined the war to redeem himself from killing Bryson? Another hint.

I did not know this. Could be reuse of texture, but hey he does look like him now.

[spotlessvoid]

You know with Chris being on vacation until January, there's a good chance that we won't get the lockdown until he returns. Not looking forward to over a month of are we there yets. Lets just let things play out and act natural when it happens

[CmdrShep80]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also Saren was the best specter the Councile had. He is not a person you would want to get on his bad side.

Oh and to help with the whole dream thing through out ME1.

During Sarens trial, Saren said along the lines " Are we now letting dreams prove that I am guilty.

Not really sure what he says actually, but I will look again or can someone post what he really says.

I believe his exact words are closer to, "Are we allowing dreams into evidence now?  How can I defend myself against evidence of this nature?"  I'm fairly certain I'm paraphrasing at least part of it, but it's close.

[With elcor sarcasm and disbelief] oh, I thought that the other games didn't mention dreams

[BleedingUranium]

I mentioned a before that my theory is each Reaper, though its brain is made from millions of melted people, only has one consciousness, one mind. The Reapers only make one new Reaper per cycle, why? Because each Reaper's mind is taken from the best that cycle has to offer. At one point in the leaked script a Reaper said "We are all Shepards".

Why do you think they were interested in Saren, but as soon as Shepard proved he was better, they went after Shepard? They want the best. Why did they fail to make a Prothean Reaper? They couldn't capture Javik; the Shepard of his cycle.

Remember Shepard's line to TIM when debating saving the Collector base? "Next thing I know, you'll want to grow your own Reaper". That's exactly what he's doing! That's his grand plan in ME3! And what does a Reaper need? Three things: A whole lot of eezo for its core, millions of people melted into goo to form the brain, and a singular consciousness to form the mind. Cerberus has both.

Cerberus's only true goal on Omega seems to be mining vast amounts of eezo very quickly, with emphasis on the quickly. The rest of what they were dong they could've done somewhere else far more easily. Eezo core? Check.

Remember in Sanctuary, anyone not useful in experiments or as troops was liquified, and now we know why! Organic material? Check.

"Humanity needs your mind, and they need it intact". We never did have an explaination as to what that TIM did to himself, much less to this line. Now we do. Singular consciousness? Check.

This also gives a better reason for dream-TIM from a writing standpoint. We've already discussed how having a goodbye with dream-Anderson opens up the possibility of him being indoctrinated or killed, but this does the same for TIM, as next time we see him, he won't be TIM anymore...

These are also listed in order of least to most important, story telling-wise; it has proper build up. While you can do Omega after Sanctuary, that's a terrible idea from a plot and story telling perspective.

Also of note, the offical guide book for Mass Effect 3 calles the Control ending "Become a Reaper".

[byne]

spotlessvoid wrote...

You know with Chris being on vacation until January, there's a good chance that we won't get the lockdown until he returns. Not looking forward to over a month of are we there yets. Lets just let things play out and act natural when it happens

You only say that because you dont have to worry about being online when it happens.

[spotlessvoid]

That's very plausible indeed Blur

[TJBartlemus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's very plausible indeed Blur

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You know with Chris being on vacation until January, there's a good chance that we won't get the lockdown until he returns. Not looking forward to over a month of are we there yets. Lets just let things play out and act natural when it happens

You only say that because you dont have to worry about being online when it happens.

Go to your window. See the green van? That's me. Don't worry, I'll ring the doorbell when it's time.

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

You know with Chris being on vacation until January, there's a good chance that we won't get the lockdown until he returns. Not looking forward to over a month of are we there yets. Lets just let things play out and act natural when it happens

I agree.  Except I'd go with a more blunt "shut up about page counts ffs".

[DoomsdayDevice]

Aria: Nyreen's code of ethics won't let her sit by if civilians are exposed. It's what makes her utterly predictable and therefore easy to manipulate.

Another line that confirms that wanting to save everyone makes you easier to manipulate.

You know, the number one reason why non-destroyers pick their choices? That's right.

No Reaper manipulation at all, nosirree.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 04:37 .

[TJBartlemus]

 I know this has been asked a lot but I'm just a tad bored...

http://social.biowar.../index/15109472

[MWMike2011]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/ehlien/status/274227256505823232
"Just reviewed some amazing new content. Awesome work by the team! #ME3"

That was really the only good one. I thought there were some more, but I guess not. Still, though, LOTS of speculation that the next DLC, "Citadel" or whatever they are going to call it, could very well come either by Christmas, or shortly after the New Year, because it very much seems to be in testing. And that the one after that will be the big one that all the writers are working on.

[DoomsdayDevice]

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

hehe

General Petrovsky: You might as well give up

Aria: I'm not going down like this

starts to destroy force field

"How did you know you could do that Aria?"

"I didn't."

*Shepard jumps through and is now alone...*  We all know what happens when Shepard is alone

He always has to make big, important moral decisions (in a vaccum)

General Petrovsky:  She'd just throw thousands of lives away
General Petrovsky:  This shouldn't be hard, maybe something inside is holding you back
General Petrovsky:  She's never going to learn.  She'll never change.  Even if you win, Omega loses

I'm a paragon so I don't hit the button despite 3 potential renegade options to do so

General Petrovsky:  So be it

That's what I did. Sacrifice the few (Aria & Nyreen / EDI & the Geth) for the many (thousands of civilians / the whole galaxy). In the end, the few don't actually die, it was a test of your willingness to do what is necessary.

YES!

That was the point, only here it was clearly the PARAGON thing to do.

Awesome ending foreshadowing, and precisely the reason why I loved the story so much.

Also:

Aria: Nyreen's code of ethics won't let her sit by if civilians are exposed. It's what makes her utterly predictable and therefore easy to manipulate.

Another line that confirms that wanting to save everyone makes you easier to manipulate.

You know, the number one reason why non-destroyers pick their choices? That's right.

No Reaper manipulation at all, nosirree.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[BleedingUranium]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 I know this has been asked a lot but I'm just a tad bored...

http://social.biowar.../index/15109472

Citadel / Xen / Geth / Keepers

Post-End / Rio / Harbinger / Collectors

TIM / Cerberus Reaper / Miranda

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:18 .

[masster blaster]

I still find it funny. Why does Bioware keep adding war assets? I mean the end is the end, and it's not like the assets will do anything.....

Unless.... The more assets we gather. The more we of a better chance we have winning at the battle at Earth.

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 I know this has been asked a lot but I'm just a tad bored...

http://social.biowar.../index/15109472

Citadel / Xen / Geth / Keepers

Post-End / Rio / Harbinger / Collectors

TIM / Cerberus Reaper

I agree. I have no idea how the geth would be involve with the story how it is though, so we could see MAJOR changes from whatever original version there was of the mission/s.

But I'm fully with you with the Rio part (and to those who think that Rio wouldn't be appropriate to end the Mass Effect trilogy story for some reason, we could very well have other missions like entering Harbinger or going into Dark Space or who knows what else).

And I'm at least partially with you when it comes to Cerberus.

'Dream-Citadel' (of course, if its a 'dream') will be the only time in the entire series that Shepard gets to see TIM as a human-form instead of a hologram, so I think it would be hilarious if it was only a mixture of Shepard's conceptions of TIM, and Reaper indoctrination together. And then... we only see 'TIM' once he's fully into the form of a Reaper :?

And from a storytelling perspective, TIM got his good, classy battle of words, even if it wasn't real. Same goes for Harbinger and his mind games. Now we just need to fight them both.

[Rifneno]

masster blaster wrote...

I still find it funny. Why does Bioware keep adding war assets? I mean the end is the end, and it's not like the assets will do anything.....

Unless.... The more assets we gather. The more we of a better chance we have winning at the battle at Earth.

Oh, it's that time of the day again?  I need to start leaving before the daily "we can win conventionally if we just had a bit more even though everyone ever says it's impossible" chat.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I still find it funny. Why does Bioware keep adding war assets? I mean the end is the end, and it's not like the assets will do anything.....

Unless.... The more assets we gather. The more we of a better chance we have winning at the battle at Earth.

Oh, it's that time of the day again?  I need to start leaving before the daily "we can win conventionally if we just had a bit more even though everyone ever says it's impossible" chat.

Shepard's made a career out of doing the impossible.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I still find it funny. Why does Bioware keep adding war assets? I mean the end is the end, and it's not like the assets will do anything.....

Unless.... The more assets we gather. The more we of a better chance we have winning at the battle at Earth.

Oh, it's that time of the day again?  I need to start leaving before the daily "we can win conventionally if we just had a bit more even though everyone ever says it's impossible" chat.

Shepard's made a career out of doing the impossible.

Yes, because it's Shepard doing it and not thousands of starships.