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demersel wrote...

Byne, how do you know that people who look at picture of an asari without seeing them first see tham as females? )))


Fine. I'm done arguing it. Asari are magical shapeshifters. Clearly drunken men at a bachelor party are the eminent experts in xenobiology.

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byne wrote...

Are you renegade? I'm paragon and I never even got an option. Aria just let him live. If you're renegade, just kill him. Stop worrying so much. It has literally no impact other than the loss of a measly 30 EMS.


What do you mean, Aria just let him live?? Please explain.  And i'm really generally more paragon - but in that scene i got Aria just struggling him, very brutally, and have two chances at paragon interrupt. If i do nothing - she just strangless him, and in his last moments has mental sex with him. (which is weeeeiird)

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Are you renegade? I'm paragon and I never even got an option. Aria just let him live. If you're renegade, just kill him. Stop worrying so much. It has literally no impact other than the loss of a measly 30 EMS.


What do you mean, Aria just let him live?? Please explain.  And i'm really generally more paragon - but in that scene i got Aria just struggling him, very brutally, and have two chances at paragon interrupt. If i do nothing - she just strangless him, and in his last moments has mental sex with him. (which is weeeeiird)


I went full paragon throughout Omega, and at the end, Aria chokes Petrovsky a bit, saying she wants to put the fear of death in him, then releases him on her own, without me even having to intervene.

Aria's attitude changes a lot depending on if you're full paragon or full renegade throughout Omega.

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demersel wrote...

Byne, how do you know that people who look at picture of an asari without seeing them first see tham as females? )))


All of the faces, meet all of the palms.

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byne wrote...
I went full paragon throughout Omega, and at the end, Aria chokes Petrovsky a bit, saying she wants to put the fear of death in him, then releases him on her own, without me even having to intervene.

Aria's attitude changes a lot depending on if you're full paragon or full renegade throughout Omega.


hmm....Does she still kisses you after? 

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...
I went full paragon throughout Omega, and at the end, Aria chokes Petrovsky a bit, saying she wants to put the fear of death in him, then releases him on her own, without me even having to intervene.

Aria's attitude changes a lot depending on if you're full paragon or full renegade throughout Omega.


hmm....Does she still kisses you after? 


No, only renegades get the kiss.

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Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Byne, how do you know that people who look at picture of an asari without seeing them first see tham as females? )))


All of the faces, meet all of the palms.


Please, do a headdesking thing. :D

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byne wrote...

No, only renegades get the kiss.


And does she say " I really hate you now Shepard?" 

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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

Are you renegade? I'm paragon and I never even got an option. Aria just let him live. If you're renegade, just kill him. Stop worrying so much. It has literally no impact other than the loss of a measly 30 EMS.


What do you mean, Aria just let him live?? Please explain.  And i'm really generally more paragon - but in that scene i got Aria just struggling him, very brutally, and have two chances at paragon interrupt. If i do nothing - she just strangless him, and in his last moments has mental sex with him. (which is weeeeiird)


If you generally side with Nyreen throughout the Omega DLC then it will rub of on Aria and she will be merciful to Petroysky instead of outright killing him. Off course you can rectify this with a double renegade interrupt and send Petroysky of to the next world anyway (I was really tempted).

Dman Byne :ph34r:

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:18 .


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demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

No, only renegades get the kiss.


And does she say " I really hate you now Shepard?" 


No, she still likes you.

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What the ****? Aria stays at the Citadel after you take back Omega? I can't even begin to... owww... between this and demersel's latest attack on common sense, I'm getting a splitting migraine.

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What the ****? Aria stays at the Citadel after you take back Omega? I can't even begin to... owww... between this and demersel's latest attack on common sense, I'm getting a splitting migraine.


Thats why they should have made getting the gangs to side with Aria a requirement for doing Omega. Then they wouldnt need Aria to stay at the Citadel.

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Rifneno wrote...

What the ****? Aria stays at the Citadel after you take back Omega? I can't even begin to... owww... between this and demersel's latest attack on common sense, I'm getting a splitting migraine.


Common sense is really a delusion based on assumptions. You should never take it for granted.  

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SwobyJ wrote...

I've just been doing some reading in the LotR Wiki, and found a neat article about Gandalf :P

"Of all the Maiar, he was the only one who was known to have successfully
completed his task of saving Middle Earth from Sauron, having guided
and counciled many
to the ultimate defeat of the Dark Lord. Though never
seen again in Middle-earth, his actions and labors ensured that all
were saved from Sauron's tyranny, and allowed men to rise into the age
of their dominion
. Thus, in a way, he can be seen as one of, if not the
greatest of all the Maiar, who worked with hope and courage to lead,
rather than to dominate and
destroy, as Sauron had done."

(Destroy in this case can be thought to be Synthesis for Shepard, instead of 'Destroy' choice, as imo Synthesis is genetic and cultural destruction)


Was at bottom of page :(

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SwobyJ wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I've just been doing some reading in the LotR Wiki, and found a neat article about Gandalf :P

"Of all the Maiar, he was the only one who was known to have successfully
completed his task of saving Middle Earth from Sauron, having guided
and counciled many
to the ultimate defeat of the Dark Lord. Though never
seen again in Middle-earth, his actions and labors ensured that all
were saved from Sauron's tyranny, and allowed men to rise into the age
of their dominion
. Thus, in a way, he can be seen as one of, if not the
greatest of all the Maiar, who worked with hope and courage to lead,
rather than to dominate and
destroy, as Sauron had done."

(Destroy in this case can be thought to be Synthesis for Shepard, instead of 'Destroy' choice, as imo Synthesis is genetic and cultural destruction)


Was at bottom of page :(


Yep, very Shepard-y. Also note that Frodo did not try to use the Ring himself, not did he try to join with Sauron. Because he's the hero, and heroes don't do that.

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What the ****? Aria stays at the Citadel after you take back Omega? I can't even begin to... owww... between this and demersel's latest attack on common sense, I'm getting a splitting migraine.


Thats why they should have made getting the gangs to side with Aria a requirement for doing Omega. Then they wouldnt need Aria to stay at the Citadel.


Not a good idea, there is still some bugs related to getting the gangs. I for one cant finish it on my FemShep playthrough as despite doing it all the confirmation dialogue will not trigger with Aria and the journal entry remains unfinished. Would really screw over people if you couldnt do Omega because of such a bug.

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Hm.... I almost never sided with Nyreen, during Omega, because I felt that what she says is really dumb and naive given the context.

About Petrovsky - the thing that makes me doubt the pros of leaving him alive is that it is said he will get full pardon - and is likely to just walk away from all this. And that really should not happen, regardless of what information he provides.

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So who is the gendalf to our frodo in Mass Effect? And who is Sam?

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I was thinking about something maybe an hour ago. When all this DLC gets released and the trilogy wraps up, I think there's probably going to be a lot of people apologizing on how they were all fooled with the ending and completely missed the point (not us, but anyone who took the ending literally). Probably happen around March or so next year, would be my guess.

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demersel wrote...

Hm.... I almost never sided with Nyreen, during Omega, because I felt that what she says is really dumb and naive given the context.

About Petrovsky - the thing that makes me doubt the pros of leaving him alive is that it is said he will get full pardon - and is likely to just walk away from all this. And that really should not happen, regardless of what information he provides.


I seriously doubt he'll get a full pardon. Thats just stupid.

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So who is the gendalf to our frodo in Mass Effect? And who is Sam?


Guess the closest to a Gandalf would be Anderson.

Sam though is defiently Garrus. There is no Shepard without Vakarian.

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SwobyJ wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I've just been doing some reading in the LotR Wiki, and found a neat article about Gandalf :P

"Of all the Maiar, he was the only one who was known to have successfully
completed his task of saving Middle Earth from Sauron, having guided
and counciled many
to the ultimate defeat of the Dark Lord. Though never
seen again in Middle-earth, his actions and labors ensured that all
were saved from Sauron's tyranny, and allowed men to rise into the age
of their dominion
. Thus, in a way, he can be seen as one of, if not the
greatest of all the Maiar, who worked with hope and courage to lead,
rather than to dominate and
destroy, as Sauron had done."

(Destroy in this case can be thought to be Synthesis for Shepard, instead of 'Destroy' choice, as imo Synthesis is genetic and cultural destruction)


Was at bottom of page :(


Yep, very Shepard-y. Also note that Frodo did not try to use the Ring himself, not did he try to join with Sauron. Because he's the hero, and heroes don't do that.


Frodo became corrupted in the end (I can't recall how the books treated this part though, except more as an affliction than a possession) but his *companion* finished the fight for him, as Gollum enabled victory to occur.

Frodo/Gandalf = Shepard
Gollum = TIM
The army at the Black Gate = the galaxy's forces combined
The companions taking part in that fight = all your squadmates
Samwise = the select squadmate/LI that pulls you out of rubble...

What I don't think many get is that Shepard can very well LOSE at the end, and still be victorious. Up til London, he may have done all he needed in order to get the job done, in the IT sense, and the final decision is but a moral one, to Bioware (as they put it in their own words).

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byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Hm.... I almost never sided with Nyreen, during Omega, because I felt that what she says is really dumb and naive given the context.

About Petrovsky - the thing that makes me doubt the pros of leaving him alive is that it is said he will get full pardon - and is likely to just walk away from all this. And that really should not happen, regardless of what information he provides.


I seriously doubt he'll get a full pardon. Thats just stupid.


Not really. Think about all the ex-cerberus stuff you yourself gather. It is war - and in war you take anything you can get. He is certain to get a full pardon - it is directly said so in the codex. And of course there is a chess analogy - if you let him live. In chess the king is never killed or harmed - he just surrenders. That is why he let's Aria go in the comic - but the thing is - real life is not chess. 

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demersel wrote...

So who is the gendalf to our frodo in Mass Effect? And who is Sam?


Sam is our close connections in Mass Effect, and could even be how Liara is set up to be, especially if our Shepards made no other very close connections in the story.

Gandalf is the mentor part of Shepard, Frodo is the hero, Aragorn is the warrior.

It's really just the hero archetypes into one, and given a military and sci-fi bent for Shep.

If Gandalf is anyone else, it is Anderson, but in no big way imo.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What the ****? Aria stays at the Citadel after you take back Omega? I can't even begin to... owww... between this and demersel's latest attack on common sense, I'm getting a splitting migraine.


Thats why they should have made getting the gangs to side with Aria a requirement for doing Omega. Then they wouldnt need Aria to stay at the Citadel.


Not a good idea, there is still some bugs related to getting the gangs. I for one cant finish it on my FemShep playthrough as despite doing it all the confirmation dialogue will not trigger with Aria and the journal entry remains unfinished. Would really screw over people if you couldnt do Omega because of such a bug.


Or they could just fix the damn bugs.