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Rifneno

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Where did you get the impression I give a damn what you think?


And where did you get the impression that I was talking to you?


As I was the one who brought it up, I just thought it was necessary to remind you of the value of analysis from people who thought "dream of the god-whale" was an amazing story.


Ah, I should have realized that such a crazy idea could only come from you. :')


Considering what a close minded tool you are, that's quite the compliment.

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Renegade answer first time Shepard meet Liara
"You shouldn't have been messing with tecnology you don't understand"

Modifié par archangel1996, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:02 .


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archangel1996 wrote...

Renegade answer first time Shepard meet Liara
"You shouldn't have messing with tecnology you don't understand"

I understand the control rods perfectly fine. You grab them and they go 'zap'.

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anyways back to topic

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Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard
: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate
: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard
: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.



NICE. A+ <3

Control Ending: Final Confrontation at crucible control room.

Squad member: "Why have you closed the citadel arms?!"

(In the control ending the citadel arms close, I figured that might be a clue to what is really happening, here is my take on what happens in the end)

Commander Shepard: "We need more time to figure out how to control the reapers."

Squad member: "What!? Shepard have you gone insane? There is no time we need to activate the crucible now!"

Commander Shepard: "You don't understand! If we activate the crucible all synthetics in the galaxy will be destroyed. That includes Edi, that includes the geth."

Squad member: "How do you know that?"

Commander Shepard: "The reapers told me..."

Squad member: "And you believed them?!"

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Rifneno wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

As I was the one who brought it up, I just thought it was necessary to remind you of the value of analysis from people who thought "dream of the god-whale" was an amazing story.


Ah, I should have realized that such a crazy idea could only come from you. :')


Considering what a close minded tool you are, that's quite the compliment.


At least I'm not crazy. ;)

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard
: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate
: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard
: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.



NICE. A+ <3

Control Ending: Final Confrontation at crucible control room.

Squad member: "Why have you closed the citadel arms?!"

(In the control ending the citadel arms close, I figured that might be a clue to what is really happening, here is my take on what happens in the end)

Commander Shepard: "We need more time to figure out how to control the reapers."

Squad member: "What!? Shepard have you gone insane? There is no time we need to activate the crucible now!"

Commander Shepard: "You don't understand! If we activate the crucible all synthetics in the galaxy will be destroyed. That includes Edi, that includes the geth."

Squad member: "How do you know that?"

Commander Shepard: "The reapers told me..."

Squad member: "And you believed them?!"




Nice!

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Remember that statement - "Squadmates will work differently in ME3"? Well, i think that they kind of added to that in Omega. Maybe future DLCs will also feature new squadmates?

There was also a bit about squadmates possibly leaving if they don't agree with the way you do thing or do certain things... that has not yet happened in ME3 as far as i know (we can kind of count Tali - but she does not leave - she kills herself)

Modifié par demersel, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Squadmate: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Commander Shepard
: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Squadmate
: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Commander Shepard
: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.



NICE. A+ <3

Control Ending: Final Confrontation at crucible control room.

Squad member: "Why have you closed the citadel arms?!"

(In the control ending the citadel arms close, I figured that might be a clue to what is really happening, here is my take on what happens in the end)

Commander Shepard: "We need more time to figure out how to control the reapers."

Squad member: "What!? Shepard have you gone insane? There is no time we need to activate the crucible now!"

Commander Shepard: "You don't understand! If we activate the crucible all synthetics in the galaxy will be destroyed. That includes Edi, that includes the geth."

Squad member: "How do you know that?"

Commander Shepard: "The reapers told me..."

Squad member: "And you believed them?!"


Commander Shepard: "The Catalyst itself told me, it controls the Reapers. And all they have been doing is saving organics and synthetics from themselves. And maybe they have it right, how can we know?"

Squad member: "The Reapers have it right? Listen to yourself!"

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demersel wrote...

Remember that statement - "Squadmates will work differently in ME3"? Well, i think that they kind of added to that in Omega. Maybe future DLCs will also feature new squadmates?


Well, Anderson is technically a squadmate, but only for the prologue. Perhaps you'll get him again with the final DLC. We didn't get to use him at any time during the game (aside from the beginning).

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nice!

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magnetite wrote...

Well, Anderson is technically a squadmate, but only for the prologue. Perhaps you'll get him again with the final DLC. We didn't get to use him at any time during the game (aside from the beginning).


Wilson is technically a squadmate. Only featured in the prologue. Leroy Jenkins is techically a squadmate - only featured in prologue. Prologues do not count :P

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Wilson is technically a squadmate. Only featured in the prologue. Leroy Jenkins is techically a squadmate - only featured in prologue. Prologues do not count :P


We'll see how it plays out.

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Puting my fake game developer/writer perspective goggles on. Replaying ME3 I notice in the dream sequences in order to get out and finish the dream you have to follow the child where he goes.

The child also randomly disappears in the dreams forcing the player to actively look for him and seek him out. I'm thinking this was designed so that in the end when you finally meet the child again in the form of starchild you the player are more likely to let him guide you to making the "best" decision. Psychological conditioning.

The final dream the player sees Shepard without armor and in a cleansing fire preparing [you] to "let go" of Shepard. Could be foreshadowing but could also be a message from the reapers to the player: Shepard is going to die in the end, let him/her go" so when Shepard dies in control and synthesis [you] are  more likely to accept the conclusion. Edit: Also you are more likely to sacrifice him/her.

Just reason #481 why Anderson is looking into the camara constantly in your final confrontation with TIM.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:42 .


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That or he's an attention hog. He's always flicking his hair back and batting those lashes when the cameras are out.

Edit: On the note of Anderson being a squade mate, if he's a squad mate in a DLC I hope he runs the same. :lol:

Modifié par Gwyphon, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:44 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Puting my fake game developer/writer perspective goggles on. Replaying ME3 I notice in the dream sequences in order to get out and finish the dream you have to follow the child where he goes.



That is actually not true at all. 

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demersel wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Puting my fake game developer/writer perspective goggles on. Replaying ME3 I notice in the dream sequences in order to get out and finish the dream you have to follow the child where he goes.



That is actually not true at all. 


If you want out of the dream, you do.

Leave the boundries --> forced to turn around
Wander around --> child remains where he is, so you're forced to go to it

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You can wait out a timer in at least one dream but the whispers get consistently louder.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Puting my fake game developer/writer perspective goggles on. Replaying ME3 I notice in the dream sequences in order to get out and finish the dream you have to follow the child where he goes.

The child also randomly disappears in the dreams forcing the player to actively look for him and seek him out. I'm thinking this was designed so that in the end when you finally meet the child again in the form of starchild you the player are more likely to let him guide you to making the "best" decision. Psychological conditioning.

The final dream the player sees Shepard without armor and in a cleansing fire preparing [you] to "let go" of Shepard. Could be foreshadowing but could also be a message from the reapers to the player: Shepard is going to die in the end, let him/her go" so when Shepard dies in control and synthesis [you] are  more likely to accept the conclusion. Edit: Also you are more likely to sacrifice him/her.

Just reason #481 why Anderson is looking into the camara constantly in your final confrontation with TIM.


10/10 would read again!

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

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I don't like Darner Vosque.


Speaking of Vosque, is it ever explained why he leads the Blue Suns even though Vido got away in my playthrough?


Maybe he had more enemies then just Zaeed, and he was offed off-screen.

Though that reminds me, why is the leader of the Blood Pact a Vorcha and not a Krogan?

That does lead me to think that maybe these are only local gang leaders and not the big cheeses.


                   Its never stated that the leader of any of the merc groups would be of one particular race. The krogan might make up the meat of the Blood Pack forces but theyre definitely far out numbered by vorcha. That and some vorcha do get a chance to become educated. Educated enough perhaps to lead a merc group.

                  Given the brutal nature of the Blood Pack, leadership probably changes hands pretty frequently. Shepard himself witnesses Blood Pack's leadership change with violence, betrayel, and deception.

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but do you remember Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2?
We destroyed clan Weyrloc, the clan that founded the Blood Pack. In ME2, the Blood Pack loses his intelligenzia (if you want to use that term) and I guess due to the new strength of clan Urdnot (and the promising mating possibilities, if Wrex is in charge) many of the Blood Pack krogans might have returned to Tuchanka, leaving mainly Vorcha in that merc group.

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There's some cut dialogue from Zaeed about hunting Vido down.

I've no idea why it was cut or if it counts as canon.

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SwobyJ wrote...

demersel wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Puting my fake game developer/writer perspective goggles on. Replaying ME3 I notice in the dream sequences in order to get out and finish the dream you have to follow the child where he goes.



That is actually not true at all. 


If you want out of the dream, you do.

Leave the boundries --> forced to turn around
Wander around --> child remains where he is, so you're forced to go to it


If you leave boundaries enough times - or wait it out - the dream ends with a final cutscene. 

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Nice deatail in Omega - If you do not follow Aria immedeatly after nyreen goes out with a bang, but instead hang back to search the area - you can find a place you can scan - you scan it - and you get 1 credit. (In Me2 on exaclty the same spot you could also get 1 credit.)

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RavenEyry wrote...

There's some cut dialogue from Zaeed about hunting Vido down.

I've no idea why it was cut or if it counts as canon.


If I recall, didn't we blow up his gunship during the loyalty mission? He's dead, I believe.