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[Rankincountry]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

4 pages until I close the thread again?

7.5

I'm either a 7.5 or an 8.  I mean, I'm certain IT is right, but I'm not sure there's going to be a reveal.

Ditto.  I mean there was never a proper 'reveal' for Blade Runner, after all.  Just some comments from the director decades later.

I can see it now. In 2024 PC Gamer will be doing an interview with an aged and wizened Casey Hudson. They'll talk about Mass Effect, and after covering the intricacies of branching storytelling, how to cope with an internet flame war. Casey will pause, then suddenly remembering something he meant to say will add, "Oh, you did all realise that the end was a metaphor for the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard, right?".

[Andromidius]

I can totally see him being a dick like that, too.

[The Heretic of Time]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh... yknow the man and woman in ME1 arguing about what to do with their baby?

Their last name is Petrovsky.

Oh my. And her husband is dead. Or so she thinks.

I'm sure it's just bad writing or coincidence or some mix-up.

Coincidence more likely.

Back in the days on high-school (damn, that was a long time a go), there were 3 people with the same last name. Me, my gymnastics teacher (a woman) and my physics teacher (a man).

Everyone assumed the gymnastics teacher was my mother and the physics teacher was my father. The truth is that they weren't my parents, they weren't even married. The 3 of us weren't related in any single way. We were not family.

People always assume stuff is related, even when it isn't. Especially you guys in the IT thread are very good at that.

[paxxton]

Rankincountry wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

4 pages until I close the thread again?

7.5

I'm either a 7.5 or an 8.  I mean, I'm certain IT is right, but I'm not sure there's going to be a reveal.

Ditto.  I mean there was never a proper 'reveal' for Blade Runner, after all.  Just some comments from the director decades later.

I can see it now. In 2024 PC Gamer will be doing an interview with an aged and wizened Casey Hudson. They'll talk about Mass Effect, and after covering the intricacies of branching storytelling, how to cope with an internet flame war. Casey will pause, then suddenly remembering something he meant to say will add, "Oh, you did all realise that the end was a metaphor for the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard, right?".

No, Blade Runner is an old movie for parents of our parents parents. Today we demand answers and we demand them now.

[BatmanTurian]

Rankincountry wrote...

I can see it now. In 2024 PC Gamer will be doing an interview with an aged and wizened Casey Hudson. They'll talk about Mass Effect, and after covering the intricacies of branching storytelling, how to cope with an internet flame war. Casey will pause, then suddenly remembering something he meant to say will add, "Oh, you did all realise that the end was a metaphor for the reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard, right?".

I think I'd just cynically shake my head and go back to reading the paper, Tommy Lee Jones-style.

[FifthBeatle]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh... yknow the man and woman in ME1 arguing about what to do with their baby?

Their last name is Petrovsky.

Oh my. And her husband is dead. Or so she thinks.

I'm sure it's just bad writing or coincidence or some mix-up. Surely these stories are not planned. Bioware sticks ideas on a board and throws darts at them. Surely there is no way Mass Effect is at all a visual novel series patiently and carefully crafted.

And if we somehow find out her dead husband is called Oleg, then it totally doesn't mean anything at all:whistle:

Edit: Though I'm sure it was mentioned and its not Oleg.  But a relative, possibly.

It's actually Jacob, but, still, it would be pretty cool if their stories were somehow related. 

[BatmanTurian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh... yknow the man and woman in ME1 arguing about what to do with their baby?

Their last name is Petrovsky.

Oh my. And her husband is dead. Or so she thinks.

I'm sure it's just bad writing or coincidence or some mix-up.

Coincidence more likely.

Back in the days on high-school (damn, that was a long time a go), there were 3 people with the same last name. Me, my gymnastics teacher (a woman) and my physics teacher (a man).

Everyone assumed the gymnastics teacher was my mother and the physics teacher was my father. The truth is that they weren't my parents, they weren't even married. The 3 of us weren't related in any single way. We were not family.

People always assume stuff is related, even when it isn't. Especially you guys in the IT thread are very good at that.

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

Literature 101: Any coincidence is intentional.

[demersel]

Krimzie wrote...

And Petrovsky is the most common name ever, especially in space. It's like Smith, right? Right?

Hey!! Do not bash the good and proud and common name of Petrovsky!  If you should know - it is a  very common name. 

You see in russia before 1860 more than 90% of population were slaves. It is very common for slaves when they get released, or even when not to be given a family name accourding to who their owner was. 

For example - Petrovsky - actually means Peter's as in belonging to Peter. - so some long time ago the he was a slave owned by some Peter. 

As the history has it some Peter in this case might be THE Peter AKA - Great Emperor Peter the First.  - the biggest slave owner in russia was the state, and personally the Emperor.

Emperor Peter THe Firts the Great is known for being extremly liberal, and he is also known as the Liberator.   (while it is actually Alexander the Third that did end the slavery once and for all, Yet he is known as The Pacifist).
Peter the First used to value loyalty and bravery, and devotion, and he often freed slaves for their remarkable service, military or state or even personal and even uplifted those recently freed into nobles - and he did that a lot. Since it was back in 1720s - by the time of the 19th century some of those nobles became practicly Royalty.  But you can bet that there a really lot's of Petrovskys out there. 
 

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

Literature 101: Any coincidence is intentional.

Precisely.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

Literature 101: Any coincidence is intentional.

Big stupid jellyfish 000: LUL BAD RITEING

[paxxton]

Hanar_Heretic!!! If Mass Effect was real life, I would also say that it was a coincidence. But Mass Effect is a work of human mind. It was planned, designed and created. Of course you could say Mass Effect is so vast a franchise that BioWare could slip here and there. But still that would be a big slip considering that the pair on the Citadel is talking about genetic manipulation and Petrovsky plays a big role in the franchise..

Modifié par paxxton, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:11 .

[dreamgazer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

Well, that's not quite true. People make associations with details in fiction to better suit their personal outlooks. It's part of critical analysis, realizing that sometimes a donut is just a donut.

The symbolism of the comet in Martin's A Clash of Kings is a great example of that in practice, and how one thing can mean many different things to many different people.

[Krimzie]

demersel wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

And Petrovsky is the most common name ever, especially in space. It's like Smith, right? Right?

Hey!! Do not bash the good and proud and common name of Petrovsky!  If you should know - it is a  very common name. 

....  But you can bet that there a really lot's of Petrovskys out there. 
 

Hey now! I'm not bashing!  I actually had no idea it *was* common, so that was just plain ignorance on my end and the end result was failed sarcastiball.

But very interesting backstory -- reminds me a lot of the Williams and Browns in USA. Still don't think Petrovsky was a coincidence, though. A cute easter egg maybe, but not a coincidence. 

Modifié par Krimzie, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:12 .

[Rifneno]

SwobyJ wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

4 pages until I close the thread again?

7.

At my worst opinion of it, it was 4, and the best was 8.

9 would be near certainty, and I don't have that. 10 is certainty.

9 here.  And 10 on the "wanting to punch people who keep talking about inc lock" scale.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Coincidence never happens in fiction. Think about it for 5 seconds. Where does fiction come from? People. What do people do when they write fiction? Plan things. What do they plan? Situations that are never coincidences.

Well, that's not quite true. People make associations with details in fiction to better suit their personal outlooks. It's part of critical analysis, realizing that sometimes a donut is just a donut.

The symbolism of the comet in Martin's A Clash of Kings is a great example of that in practice, and how one thing can mean many different things to many different people.

Yes, but is the comet itself a coincidence? No. It was planned by the author to prove what you are saying which is universal human nature.

EDIT: On the other hand, it does coincide with the return of dragons, which ushers in the return of magic, which allows The Lord of Light and the God of Ice in the north to begin their battle anew. So it's not actually a coincidence at all even in-universe.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh... yknow the man and woman in ME1 arguing about what to do with their baby?

Their last name is Petrovsky.

That baby will save us all!

I endorsed the gene therapy. He or she will be a superhuman!

[dreamgazer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yes, but is the comet itself a coincidence? No. It was planned by the author to prove what you are saying which is universal human nature.

Sort of, but there's another element to that: people impart meaning on things when it's not actually there, and their varied associations---and how they view what the symbolism means---is a manufactured coincidence (red being fire, the color of hair, the shade of blood, etc.)

[byne]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh... yknow the man and woman in ME1 arguing about what to do with their baby?

Their last name is Petrovsky.

Oh my. And her husband is dead. Or so she thinks.

I'm sure it's just bad writing or coincidence or some mix-up. Surely these stories are not planned. Bioware sticks ideas on a board and throws darts at them. Surely there is no way Mass Effect is at all a visual novel series patiently and carefully crafted.

Nah, Joker's sister isn't killed by as asari. Nah. Nope. Bad writing. -Wiki

Does Word of God not count for the Wiki? Because I'm pretty sure Weekes confirmed that it was indeed Joker's sister.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yes, but is the comet itself a coincidence? No. It was planned by the author to prove what you are saying which is universal human nature.

Sort of, but there's another element to that: people impart meaning on things when it's not actually there, and their varied associations---and how they view what the symbolism means---is a manufactured coincidence (red being fire, the color of hair, the shade of blood, etc.)

BatmanTurian wrote...

EDIT: On the other hand, it does
coincide with the return of dragons, which ushers in the return of
magic, which allows The Lord of Light and the God of Ice in the north to
begin their battle anew. So it's not actually a coincidence at all even
in-universe.

[Rifneno]

Oh, as for the Petrovsky thing, good eye. Dead father's name was Jacob (no Jacob in Mass Effect will stick around after porking you, even if he has to die to get away) and baby is named after his late father, so presumably he too will be spreading VD across the galaxy in a couple decades.

Easter egg is most likely. I noticed in Grissom Academy that Cerberus said something over the loudspeaker to a Holly Merizan. An obvious reference to Jessica Merizan, the... hell, I forget what her title is. Something about the community. Anyway, Jacob still sucks.