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[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Guys! I got it! I figured it out! it is bad writing but not in a way you all think!! THey are good writers! But they lack imagination and fantasy to make interesting stories, themes, conflicts and situations - so they reuse the same three or four over and over again! A new theory is born - LAZY WRITING!!!!

no that's just fiction. there is no new story under the sun, just the same situations happening to different characters at different times in different places because there are only so many situations you can put humanoids that humans can relate to in.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[byne]

demersel wrote...

Guys! I got it! I figured it out! it is bad writing but not in a way you all think!! THey are good writers! But they lack imagination and fantasy to make interesting stories, themes, conflicts and situations - so they reuse the same three or four over and over again! A new theory is born - LAZY WRITING!!!!

Taris->Dantooine->Manaan/Korriban/Kashyyk/Tatooine->Unknown World->Star Forge
Origin->Ostagar->Dwarves/Elves/Redcliff/Mages->Landsmeet->Denerim
Eden Prime->Citadel->Noveria/Feros/Therum/Virmire->Ilos->Citadel

Dont be silly. Bioware switches the formula around all the time!

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...
I hate to say it, but given Jacob's cheesy-porn level romance dialogue (The priiiiiizzzzzze, really BioWare? ), and his dialogue in general, the fact that he cheats on FemShep isn't THAT surprising.

In hindsight sure... In the moment, not so much. It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:46 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh, as for the Petrovsky thing, good eye. Dead father's name was Jacob (no Jacob in Mass Effect will stick around after porking you, even if he has to die to get away) and baby is named after his late father, so presumably he too will be spreading VD across the galaxy in a couple decades.

Easter egg is most likely. I noticed in Grissom Academy that Cerberus said something over the loudspeaker to a Holly Merizan. An obvious reference to Jessica Merizan, the... hell, I forget what her title is. Something about the community. Anyway, Jacob still sucks.

I laughed.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

[BatmanTurian]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

acidic-ph0 wrote...
I never said Mass Effect is devoid of symbolism. Yeah that would be retarded. What I did say, and I'll bold this so you can see it better.  [b]It is not a franchise that relies on an abundance of symbolism and metaphor, just enough to make the audience think but not overanalyze everything to a point of absurdity.

I've got to say this, so don't think I'm being a jerk or anything.  But that's totally subjective. 

The symbolism is there for people who want it, but its not forced down our throats.  Much like The Matrix - it can be treated like an action flick or it can be an exploration into the human mind and a debate on what reality really is.

Personally I see a lot of symbolism, moreso in ME3 then any of the previous games.  Which is suprising for the game considered the most action-oriented of the three!

I do agree with you on the fact that ME3 is loaded with a lot more symbolism than the previous games. In some ways that is a bit disheartening seeing as it's the end of a trilogy and a simple hero's journey. Personally I think I would've been much more content with more closure and less "speculation for everyone" XD

That being said, no you don't sound like a jerk, you make a very valid point. I just hope that people here also take the time to realize that not everything we have is a symbol either. Mass Effect at its core is not as complex as some people here are trying to make it seem. Just like how some people REALLY overanalyze the meanings in things like Clifford the Big Red Dog and Twilight... I just think that trying to find hidden meaning in everything can be detrimental to finding "the symbols that matter".

Personally I think all the speculation that Omega has something to do with the ending is kind of a red herring (I think I'm using that term properly... correct me if I'm wrong). I also think that whatever the next DLC is will probably have a lot more clues and symbolism that will hopefully be a bit more obvious. 

And that is your opinion and you have every right to it, but that doesn't make you correct or insightful.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
I hate to say it, but given Jacob's cheesy-porn level romance dialogue (The priiiiiizzzzzze, really BioWare? ), and his dialogue in general, the fact that he cheats on FemShep isn't THAT surprising.

In hindsight sure... In the moment, not so much. It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

No, don't be embarassed, I understand completely.  And besides, at least Jacob is happy, and now you can romance Kaidan again! 

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

Remember estebanusister?  She romanced Jacob.  I'm guessing it's because she's in the military, and Jacob is the most military of anyone on Shep's team in ME2, even more so than Garrus, who's Space Batman only better.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

I reloaded the same femshep after that crap in ME3, to before she romanced him, played the game over again, and killed him in the suicide mission afterwards. Pushed me finishing ME3 back 3 days.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

I reloaded the same femshep after that crap in ME3, to before she romanced him, played the game over again, and killed him in the suicide mission afterwards. Pushed me finishing ME3 back 3 days.

That's a little extreme Commander. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

Remember estebanusister?  She romanced Jacob.  I'm guessing it's because she's in the military, and Jacob is the most military of anyone on Shep's team in ME2, even more so than Garrus, who's Space Batman only better.

Estebanusister had many romances on different playthroughs. I believe her favourite was Traynor, so your point is disproven.

[BatmanTurian]

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.

Maybe it does need to be spoonfed. Maybe even forcefed.

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

Remember estebanusister?  She romanced Jacob.  I'm guessing it's because she's in the military, and Jacob is the most military of anyone on Shep's team in ME2, even more so than Garrus, who's Space Batman only better.

Estebanusister had many romances on different playthroughs. I believe her favourite was Traynor, so your point is disproven.

Oh really?  Her favorite was Traynor?  Must.  Not.  Use.  Imagination.   Anyway, I just remember that she had specifically mentioned Jacob at one point.  Or was that estebanus?

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.

For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's hard to explain and kind of embarassing.

Might as well be the motto of all the people who romance Jacob.

Yknow, all three of them.

I reloaded the same femshep after that crap in ME3, to before she romanced him, played the game over again, and killed him in the suicide mission afterwards. Pushed me finishing ME3 back 3 days.

That's a little extreme Commander. 

I was pretty emotionally invested in that femshep who had carried over from ME1, so I might have gone a little overboard.

[paxxton]

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.

For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.

True, quite true.  Though in many ways I prefer IT over literal, even if they never do a reveal, simply because I hate the endings THAT much.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...
Oh really?  Her favorite was Traynor?  Must.  Not.  Use.  Imagination.   Anyway, I just remember that she had specifically mentioned Jacob at one point.  Or was that estebanus?

Pie. Pie everywh



I think she mentioned him too.

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.

Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

[umadcommander]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.

For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.

sums up how i feel on this whole issue

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?

Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.

For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.

True, quite true.  Though in many ways I prefer IT over literal, even if they never do a reveal, simply because I hate the endings THAT much.

No doubt IT is better with or without a reveal. I just think it's cheap not to do one, and therefore bad. Hopes are high.

@Pax Yeah, I saw that. Sounds awesome to me!

@Batman 1 step at a time!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[acidic-ph0]

BatmanTurian wrote...


-Not an abundance of metaphor and symbolism

-have three dreams filled with symbolism and an entire ending that is a metaphorical trip through your own mind talking to a thing that looks like a kid that died in front of your eyes.

That's not even counting the Geth-Quarian Conflict, Project Overlord, Saren and Synthesis, Cerberus being the new Collectors because the cycles keep happening in the same way over and over, and I could go on and on.

I should have been clearer, I meant the franchise as a whole dude... 

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific and should have said "relative to these examples from other media:"

"The Matrix" trilogy, "Inception", Kurosawa's "Dreams", "Alice in Wonderland"... 

As far as books go... "The Monk", "Heart of Darkness"...

As far as Anime goes... pretty much all of them XD

These are all examples of naratives that rely on an ABUNDANCE of symbolism (some to an absurd effect, and some are ENTIRELY based on symbolism) to facilitate their plots. 

[byne]

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

[Dwailing]

BTW, since I mentioned Batman a few minutes ago, I'll just post this here: What can I say, I always love plugging the Epic Rap Battles of History.