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paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.


Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.


Still, it's an improvement, and the idea will tide us over until we can go to Mars and find the Prothean ruins. :lol:

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Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image

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Question to all people who think Bioware went with IT:
From 1 to 10, how likely is it there will be a reveal?


Probably a 2. If they do, they basically makes our hard work moot, because the ending is simplified for the masses. I just think they should keep it open, and not spoon feed people answers. Good writers don't spoon feed people. I mean, they gave us the hints, and then we just interpreted them. Not like they had to make a DLC to explain the ending or reveal that Shepard was on Earth the whole time.


Maybe it does need to be spoonfed. Maybe even forcefed. :devil:


If it comes down to it. They will face palm their heads, and says ' in ******** bekiveable. 9 months, and still people doubt IT. Oh boy. Casey we need to make a dlc, that explains Shepard is on Earth at the end, and reapers are Indoctrinateing Shepard at the end. Casey: WTF we were going to use the money we got from Omega, leviathan, and Citadel dlc, to create the final act for ME3. Chris: Sorry, but I can confirm that a good portion of fans still don't get IT.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image


Romance Ashley in ME1.  Totally gives you a reason to romance someone else in ME2.  I should know. :D

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TOP OF PAGE 2223! I AM THE HARBINGER OF DEATH AND REBIRTH IN THIS THREAD. KNEEL BEFORE ME.

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Shepard wakes up to find that he/she is on her/his knees before teh Catalyst.

Catalyst: Wake up.

Shepard: As you wish my master.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image


Doing the Shadow Broker Liara romance really should unlock the Paramour achievement.

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-Not an abundance of metaphor and symbolism

-have three dreams filled with symbolism and an entire ending that is a metaphorical trip through your own mind talking to a thing that looks like a kid that died in front of your eyes.

That's not even counting the Geth-Quarian Conflict, Project Overlord, Saren and Synthesis, Cerberus being the new Collectors because the cycles keep happening in the same way over and over, and I could go on and on.



I should have been clearer, I meant the franchise as a whole dude... 

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific and should have said "relative to these examples from other media:"

"The Matrix" trilogy, "Inception", Kurosawa's "Dreams", "Alice in Wonderland"... 

As far as books go... "The Monk", "Heart of Darkness"...

As far as Anime goes... pretty much all of them XD

These are all examples of naratives that rely on an ABUNDANCE of symbolism (some to an absurd effect, and some are ENTIRELY based on symbolism) to facilitate their plots. 


Okay, whatever you say.

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For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.


I think you and I have been down this road before. For example, Jacob tells you that he's going to start a family, but we don't actually see his kid or anything. It's just implied that he's going to have a kid. Kind of like how Tali tells you that the Geth are helping them rebuild and that one day, they won't have to wear those suits anymore. We didn't see that (maybe in Synthesis), but it's implied. That didn't happen at the end, but just sometime during the course of the game. Kind of like how Conrad Verner's story wrapped up or that Krogan and Asari from Mass Effect 2 (blue rose of Illium or something).

Not to mention, closure for just the main characters, or the minor ones too and every single person in the galaxy? For example, Bailey or say, Shiala?

I think I brought up the LOTR argument in another thread, where you destroy the ring, and sit through a 2 hour motion picture that provides the ultimate closure for a game and shows you how every single choice you did along the way paid off (from a Mass Effect standpoint). That movie got a ton of flak for doing that kind of thing. Some thought that is not how to end a movie, but I'm just letting you know my opinion.

If they do something like that, fine. If not, then I hope people don't just quit playing or anything.

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And that is your opinion and you have every right to it, but that doesn't make you correct or insightful.


Well if you want to go that route, the same could be said about you.

However, I honestly don't think you aren't insightful. I just think you are jumping to conclusions a little to quickly. Like I said before, I respect your analytical mind, but I definitely think you are reaching a bit far with your Omega parallels.

edit- That and I think you're just another Turian with a stick up your bum, but that's beside the point :D

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image


Romance Ashley in ME1.  Totally gives you a reason to romance someone else in ME2.  I should know. :D

Good point. I'm not even into men, and I'd romance Kaidan before Ashley. Way more common ground.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.


Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

Wut? To power the revised version of the drive you need a mass equivalent to that of Voyager probe.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:04 .


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Behold the mad Batarian preacher!

"Draw your weapons for the word, my friends! Draw your weapons and fight! Else certain doom awaits us all!"

"You were warned! You were all warned! Watch now as the hands of the Reapers, the human invaders, lay ruin to all we hold dear!"


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magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
For me (and many others) it's not about spoonfeeding. It's not about explaining. It's about closure. If IT is true (which I believe) there is even less closure to the story than in the literal view! If they don't reveal it, it is bad/lazy writing.


I think you and I have been down this road before. For example, Jacob tells you that he's going to start a family, but we don't actually see his kid or anything. It's just implied that he's going to have a kid. Kind of like how Tali tells you that the Geth are helping them rebuild and that one day, they won't have to wear those suits anymore. We didn't see that (maybe in Synthesis), but it's implied. That didn't happen at the end, but just sometime during the course of the game.

Not to mention, closure for just the main characters, or the minor ones too and every single person in the galaxy? For example, Conrad Verner or say, Shiala?

I think I brought up the LOTR argument in another thread, where you destroy the ring, and sit through a 2 hour motion picture that provides the ultimate closure for a game and shows you how every single choice you did along the way paid off (from a Mass Effect standpoint). That movie got a ton of flak for doing that kind of thing. Some thought that is not how to end a movie, but I'm just letting you know my opinion.

If they do something like that, fine. If not, then I hope people don't just quit playing or anything.

I don't want to headcanon the most important part of the trilogy. That applies exponentially with IT. What would I do? I would have you be able to fly around the galaxy post-end like ME2 and visit everyone. It would be like hearing their reactions to your suicide base decision, only on a much larger scope!

@Byne Yeah, it should.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image


Romance Ashley in ME1.  Totally gives you a reason to romance someone else in ME2.  I should know. :D

Good point. I'm not even into men, and I'd romance Kaidan before Ashley. Way more common ground.


Heck yeah!  If you put Kaidan's personality into Ashley's body, I'd romance that in a heartbeat.  Or to put it more laconically, "We'll bang, OK?" :lol:

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Its a good thing this isnt like DA:O, where there are specific romance achievements for each character. I'd never get the Jacob one.

Beaten ME2 30 times and never once romanced him

I've only beat each ME a few times (as I only started playing them after the demo) and I lack the Paramour achievement in ME2. Because Liara. Posted Image


Romance Ashley in ME1.  Totally gives you a reason to romance someone else in ME2.  I should know. :D


LI Ash from ME1-ME3.


Miranda ME2- ME3

Jack ME-ME3.

Tali I did romance her, but when I found out Tali, and Garrus get together I was like I can make sombody else happy, and tali would get with Garrus.

Liara, No. never romanced her. i really didn't feel like romancing her in ME because in one she acted like a kid, and i wanted to die, and get old with somebody and not have my wife/girlfriend live 800 more years. She would miss Shepard and would haveto wait a long time before joining Shepard in the after life.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Behold the mad Batarian preacher!

"Draw your weapons for the word, my friends! Draw your weapons and fight! Else certain doom awaits us all!"

"You were warned! You were all warned! Watch now as the hands of the Reapers, the human invaders, lay ruin to all we hold dear!"


NiceB)

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Behold the mad Batarian preacher!

"Draw your weapons for the word, my friends! Draw your weapons and fight! Else certain doom awaits us all!"

"You were warned! You were all warned! Watch now as the hands of the Reapers, the human invaders, lay ruin to all we hold dear!"

DD, I swear they put in this

"Else certain doom awaits us all!"

Because they read this thread and knew that if the batarian preacher was concerned, it is certain that Doom will await us all! Posted Image

Nice new avatar!

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She would miss Shepard and would haveto wait a long time before joining Shepard in the after life.

Naw man. I would fly her to Afterlife whenever she asked. Posted Image

And do the Shepard dance! Posted Image

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Tali I did romance her, but when I found out Tali, and Garrus get together I was like I can make sombody else happy, and tali would get with Garrus.


I still think that if you played a MaleShep, romanced Tali, and got Dr Michel instead of Chakwas in ME3, that Garrus should have gotten together with her. She clearly has a huge crush on him.

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paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

http://techland.time...ght-warp-drive/

I'm reposting this link cause the drive described in that article might actually turn out to be a feasible solution to the interstellar travel problem.


Saw that. Unfortunately all they've done is revise the power problem from all the energy in the universe down to half the energy in the universe.

Wut? To power the revised version of the drive you need a mass equivalent to that of Voyager probe.


Problem is that you are going to obliterate the system in which you arrive in. Or least everything in front of the ship after it arrives

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LI Ash from ME1-ME3.


Miranda ME2- ME3

Jack ME-ME3.

Tali I did romance her, but when I found out Tali, and Garrus get together I was like I can make sombody else happy, and tali would get with Garrus.

Liara, No. never romanced her. i really didn't feel like romancing her in ME because in one she acted like a kid, and i wanted to die, and get old with somebody and not have my wife/girlfriend live 800 more years. She would miss Shepard and would haveto wait a long time before joining Shepard in the after life.


Nice to see another Jack romancer. I really liked her developement in ME2... A shame we didn't get much of her out of ME3 though =(

Also yeah... Romancing Liari... is kinda like robbing the cradle in ME1 XD

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Nice to see another Jack romancer. I really liked her developement in ME2... A shame we didn't get much of her out of ME3 though =(

Also yeah... Romancing Liari... is kinda like robbing the cradle in ME1 XD


Jack is the best ME2 romance.

Tali seemed more like a kid than Liara to me.

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I would have you be able to fly around the galaxy post-end like ME2 and visit everyone. It would be like hearing their reactions to your suicide base decision, only on a much larger scope!


I think I understand. Where after you destroy the Collector Base (or Arrival, which some thought was the real ending), you can fly around the galaxy and still check things out?

We'll see if they do something like that. However, at least how the game currently works, after you finish it and destroy the Reapers, you get ported back to the Cronos Station save point.

But yeah, I don't expect this game to have a thousand different endings based on a thousand different variables.

That's the other thing (think most people know this, just saying anyways). Choices affect the overall story, but the ending is more or less the same, or kind of similar. It worked like this for previous games. I remember some people were upset because their thousands of different choices didn't have thousands of different outcomes on the ending itself. I mean 1000 ^ 1000 is 1 million different endings.

I guess I'm making a big deal out of this. I worry too much.

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byne wrote...

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Nice to see another Jack romancer. I really liked her developement in ME2... A shame we didn't get much of her out of ME3 though =(

Also yeah... Romancing Liari... is kinda like robbing the cradle in ME1 XD


Jack is the best ME2 romance.

Tali seemed more like a kid than Liara to me.


Tali was more of a teen, and Liara was just about to become a teen.


Udina: You failed Shepard. I am alive and I took over the IT thread.

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byne wrote...

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Nice to see another Jack romancer. I really liked her developement in ME2... A shame we didn't get much of her out of ME3 though =(

Also yeah... Romancing Liari... is kinda like robbing the cradle in ME1 XD


Jack is the best ME2 romance.

Tali seemed more like a kid than Liara to me.

It would be weirder for Liara. Shepard would be like 10.